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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleMilti View Post
    I seem to remember the offense being pretty good when Dez was out with his foot injury.
    Draft a couple WRs, send Dez packing. He simply isn’t worth 12 million per year.
    Like I have said many times, Dez is holding this offense back. The offense has been so glaringly better when he isn't on the field, I'm not sure how anyone can argue against him being gone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    I don't give a tin shit if there's no one behind him and I damn sure wouldn't let him punk me out. This is the part that gets me:


    Dez, it's not your problem your team does not like you at $12.5 mil. This is one of those 50/50 balls you are so good at catching, so go get it.

    Fuck that. It is his problem because he's not living up to his end of the deal. What a liberal douche thing to say. If Dez dared me to cut him, I'd do it immediately.

    What the hell does liberal have to do with it? That's a conservative douche thing to day. It's just business -- that's all. Totally nonpartisan and neutral. It's a question of who's got the leverage. As of now, it's not Bryant's problem that he's not worth $12.5 mil. A deal's a deal. I got a contract. Pay me. Tough shit.

    If Jerry doesn't like the deal, he's got remedies. He can cut Dez. That's his leverage. But Mac is right in that as of now, there's nobody better on the roster. That's Bryant's leverage. But with some FAs or draft picks that could change -- not likely but maybe.

    But here's the leverage Bryant really has. Jerry is scared shitless that if he cuts Dez and takes the cap hit, Dez might wind up with another team with actual coaches and an innovative scheme and do really well. And that makes Jerry look stupid.

    Or, if Jerry's half-wit coach, with his ho-hum offense, guides the team to another mediocre season, Jerry will get blamed for getting rid of Bryant.

    Some other teams shed players and don't look back. Jerry will want it both ways. He'll want Dez to take less money and stay with team. Dez says, sorry. I got a contract. Pay me or cut me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deadrise View Post

    But here's the leverage Bryant really has. Jerry is scared shitless that if he cuts Dez and takes the cap hit, Dez might wind up with another team with actual coaches and an innovative scheme and do really well. And that makes Jerry look stupid.
    Unfortunately for Jerry that happened years ago and continues to happen. Most guys that leave end up looking like All Stars when they get to their new teams void of dysfunction at the FO level. Getting to play for coaches that understand how to use their abilities as a player also helps too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleMilti View Post
    I seem to remember the offense being pretty good when Dez was out with his foot injury.
    Draft a couple WRs, send Dez packing. He simply isnít worth 12 million per year.
    In 2015? Uhhh, no. That offense was terrible.

    The three games he missed in 2016:
    - Cincy and the 49ers, two teams that finished 6-9-1 and dead last in the NFL.
    - Green Bay where we had a couple of miracle plays Like Lucky's break and run followed by Dak's deepest pass of the game when the CB fell down.

    Besides in 2016, everything went right for this team. Perfect OL and RB play plus a string of average opponents.

    The next Green Bay game was in the playoffs, and Dez was the one to get the offense going after a sputtering first half.

    Quote Originally Posted by UncleMilti View Post
    He simply isnít worth 12 million per year.
    I agree his production last year doesn't justify that salary, but there are few better options.

    If there are specific options, no one on this board has listed them besides "Draft a couple"-- we can do that and keep Dez.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cowboysrock55 View Post
    Absolutely correct. I think some people just have such an emotional connection to Dez it's hard to see past.
    It's exactly the opposite. If you read the posts, the emotional reactionis from those trying to dump him. They are fed up with the offense and looking for someone to blame.

    Folks are reaching for stats and pointing to his sideline screaming, which is completely irrelevant other than it keeps getting caught on camera.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iamtdg View Post
    Like I have said many times, Dez is holding this offense back. The offense has been so glaringly better when he isn't on the field, I'm not sure how anyone can argue against him being gone.
    Do we have numbers to that effect? I remember the offense wasn't particularly worse, but I don't remember the offense being glaringly better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Genghis Khan View Post
    Do we have numbers to that effect? I remember the offense wasn't particularly worse, but I don't remember the offense being glaringly better.
    People are too emotional to actually bring up relevant information. It's all general terms.

    Dez is holding the offense back, because it's too scary to blame the QB or coaches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ravidubey View Post
    People are too emotional to actually bring up relevant information. It's all general terms.

    Dez is holding the offense back, because it's too scary to blame the QB or coaches.


    Every stat shows we are far worse when throwing to Dez than anyone else. I think you're confused on whose eyes are shut. Imaging that it's still 2014 and Dez is in his prime is the epitome of closing your eyes to the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ravidubey View Post
    People are too emotional to actually bring up relevant information. It's all general terms.

    Dez is holding the offense back, because it's too scary to blame the QB or coaches.
    Don’t think for a minute that I don’t blame that dickhead robot for some of the reason our offense sucks. He is a major part of the blame. But, so is Dez. You can’t seem to recognize both parts of the blame. I can.
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    The next Green Bay game was in the playoffs, and Dez was the one to get the offense going after a sputtering first half.
    Thanks to an injury-riddled GB secondary that got scorched again in Atlanta the following week. Michael Irvin won the majority of his match-ups with an elite corner like Green, whereas Jenkins and Norman make Dez invisible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ravidubey View Post
    In 2015? Uhhh, no. That offense was terrible.

    The three games he missed in 2016:
    - Cincy and the 49ers, two teams that finished 6-9-1 and dead last in the NFL.
    - Green Bay where we had a couple of miracle plays Like Lucky's break and run followed by Dak's deepest pass of the game when the CB fell down.

    Besides in 2016, everything went right for this team. Perfect OL and RB play plus a string of average opponents.

    The next Green Bay game was in the playoffs, and Dez was the one to get the offense going after a sputtering first half.



    I agree his production last year doesn't justify that salary, but there are few better options.

    If there are specific options, no one on this board has listed them besides "Draft a couple"-- we can do that and keep Dez.



    It's exactly the opposite. If you read the posts, the emotional reactionis from those trying to dump him. They are fed up with the offense and looking for someone to blame.

    Folks are reaching for stats and pointing to his sideline screaming, which is completely irrelevant other than it keeps getting caught on camera.
    Yep, yep and yep.

    I mean, who the hell has an emotional connection to Dez? Certainly no one here for the most part.

    The emotions mostly seem to be coming from the"dump him" side.

    Personally, I'm looking at this logically. If we were presented with the opportunity to replace him with a roughly equivalent caliber player who is younger and/or cheaper, I'm all for it.

    But this emotional outburst narrative that claims that he is lazy, slow, and can't get separation is simply false. He's certainly flawed but he can still make plays and he still draws coverage, and he can still be pretty productive if the QB connects with him.

    The money argument is the best argument against keeping him, but someone would have to convince me that we'd use that money savings in a way that would benefit the team more than simply keeping him would. I just don't see us using the money savings in any better way.

    My overall point though, is that if people think dumping Dez will cure all or even most or much of what ails this offense, they are in for a rude awakening. This offense won't improve without the QB improving.

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