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2233boys

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Can you really blame the guy?
That isn't the only reason I believe he is shady as hell.

One of his first P ads, was saying he was fighting for PA children to be protected by having everyone who worked for the public school systems (bus drivers, cooks, teachers etc.) to have background checks.

Which is great. He is trying to get a National background check passed, however, PA already had that in place well before he was ever in office. It has been the law that all public school employees have background checks since before 2000 and 3 background checks since 2007. (State Police, PA Child Abuse and FBI) To the uninformed, it looks like he is fighting for protections for your children. Since 2015 anyone working with children has needed those 3 background checks. (in any setting).
 

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So, Trump has installed Breitbart guy Steve Bannon as his chief strategist.

That's like Hillary tabbing some guy from Huffington Post.
 

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So, Trump has installed Breitbart guy Steve Bannon as his chief strategist.

That's like Hillary tabbing some guy from Huffington Post.
It's worse. Trumps a moron. I hope there are protesters outside the White House for all 4 years.
 

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So, Trump has installed Breitbart guy Steve Bannon as his chief strategist.

That's like Hillary tabbing some guy from Huffington Post.
breibart.com is way worse than the Huffington Post.

DailyKos is a better comparison.
 

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Bernie is endorsing Keith Ellison for DNC chair, the same guy who just recently says he doesn't fault the Democrats for a losing strategy. He also claims that Trump won because of the "poison" he threw on Hillary.

You'd think the Dems would get a little introspective, but perhaps not. More Lena Dunham and Miley Cyrus, and you will like it.
 

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Bernie is endorsing Keith Ellison for DNC chair, the same guy who just recently says he doesn't fault the Democrats for a losing strategy. He also claims that Trump won because of the "poison" he threw on Hillary.

You'd think the Dems would get a little introspective, but perhaps not. More Lena Dunham and Miley Cyrus, and you will like it.
I think the future if the DNC is a strong move left. They killed themselves by trying to run a moderate.

Look to see shit like a single payer healthcare system and a basic universal income as part of the new party doctrine.
 

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I think the future if the DNC is a strong move left. They killed themselves by trying to run a moderate.

Look to see shit like a single payer healthcare system and a basic universal income as part of the new party doctrine.
They killed themselves by nominating a very dislikable, shady criminal. Moderate wasn't the problem.
 

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They killed themselves by nominating a very dislikable, shady criminal. Moderate wasn't the problem.
It was. Bernie didn't capture the imagination of young millenials with his raw charisma. His policy stances were further left of Hillary, than Hillary's policies were of Republicans.

They didn't turnout. Republicans win.
 

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It was. Bernie didn't capture the imagination of young millenials with his raw charisma. His policy stances were further left of Hillary, than Hillary's policies were of Republicans.

They didn't turnout. Republicans win.
Bernie captured the imagination of young millenials because he was an honest and believable person. I don't believe Bernie's Socialist beliefs ever actually would have won but it was the honest down to earth personality of the guy that won people's hearts. When Bernie talked about black people, he actually sounded like he cared. When Hillary talked about black people, it sounded like she was reading note cards that someone wrote for her and she didn't give two shits.

If I had to pick one term to describe Bernie it would be sincere. I think his policies would be horribly destructive to our economy but the guy is very sincere.
 

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I wish Joe Biden would have ran and won the (D) nomination.

The debates between him and Trump would have been gold.
 

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It was. Bernie didn't capture the imagination of young millenials with his raw charisma. His policy stances were further left of Hillary, than Hillary's policies were of Republicans.

They didn't turnout. Republicans win.
Election post mortems are kind of a Rorschach test. Everyone thinks the candidate lost because of a failure to get behind his own favorite issues.

For example, I am inclined to think that average small-town Wisconsin voter got fed up with a combination of jobs heading overseas and having the Lenas and Mileys of the world claim they are bigots for being uncomfortable with issues President Obama wasn't comfortable with himself just about five years ago.
 
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Election post mortems are kind of a Rorschach test. Everyone thinks the candidate lost because of a failure to get behind his own favorite issues.

For example, I am inclined to think that average small-town Wisconsin voter got fed up with a combination of jobs heading overseas and having the Lenas and Mileys of the world claim they are bigots for being uncomfortable with issues President Obama himself wasn't comfortable with himself just about five years ago.
But if that was the case wouldn't Trump have had significantly more votes in Wisconsin than Romney?

In 2012 Romney had 1407000, Trump got 1409000.

Meanwhile Hillary got about 300,000 less votes than Obama. That sounds like an issue of turnout more than butthurt people from small towns.
 

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Bernie captured the imagination of young millenials because he was an honest and believable person. I don't believe Bernie's Socialist beliefs ever actually would have won but it was the honest down to earth personality of the guy that won people's hearts. When Bernie talked about black people, he actually sounded like he cared. When Hillary talked about black people, it sounded like she was reading note cards that someone wrote for her and she didn't give two shits.

If I had to pick one term to describe Bernie it would be sincere. I think his policies would be horribly destructive to our economy but the guy is very sincere.
I'll agree in principle that Bernie's sincerity struck a cord with millenials. But I'd say career moderates like Clinton get reputations as being insincere because they spend their lives trying to appeal to multiple contrasting political interests.
 

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But if that was the case wouldn't Trump have had significantly more votes in Wisconsin than Romney?

In 2012 Romney had 1407000, Trump got 1409000.

Meanwhile Hillary got about 300,000 less votes than Obama. That sounds like an issue of turnout more than butthurt people from small towns.
It would help to know how many people flipped from 2012, how many didn't vote in 2012, etc.

Anyway, my point is not that I know that's what swung it for Trump. That would be reductive. I just think it's also reductive to say voters would have stumbled over themselves to go out and vote for single-payer healthcare.
 

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They killed themselves by nominating a very dislikable, shady criminal. Moderate wasn't the problem.
Why'd they nominate her? Because she was a moderate.
Why'd the DNC and the Media tell us she was the only chance to beat Trump? Because she was a moderate.
 
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