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Why does Jones have more potential than butler? We haven't even seen Jones in a pro game yet.
Just going off reports so far, so it's no guarantee. At this stage we as fans are all projecting but my projection of the career trajectory of Butler is low end #3 maybe, more likely an average or above average #4/STer.

I have no certainty that Jones is gonna be a future starter but I'm pulling for him to emerge as that. I want a guy who can turn into Miles Austin there instead of Butler, if I can find a guy like that. Early reports have Jobes looking like he might be that type of guy. I'm pulling for that to happen over Butker who I feel I know.
 

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Tradeable pieces:

Ron Leary
Darren McFadden
JJ Wilcox

We can't land a single solid defensive front 7 piece for any of that? Come on!
 

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Tradeable pieces:

Ron Leary
Darren McFadden
JJ Wilcox

We can't land a single solid defensive front 7 piece for any of that? Come on!
Wait, what?

You think anyone would trade anything for Wilcox? :lol
 

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Former third round pick, you might get another reclamation project.
 

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Former third round pick, you might get another reclamation project.
Ahem.

This was a Dallas Cowboys third round pick.

So anyways.

Wait, what?

You think anyone would trade anything for Wilcox? :lol
 

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Who said he had limited potential? I just think Jones may have more potential, and he's younger, as you said. Will need to see more of him, obviously, before anyone is etched onto the roster.
Schmitty seemed to be of the opinion Butler is a 4 based on potential. What I saw last season is that when healthy he has some of the qualities we really like in a number 2.

Nothing against Jones who has some physical talent. But he is also more of a 4.5s type guy. If it's close I keep Jones based on age and cost. But I think Butler is going to show better this season.
 

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Jones won't make the PS. There will be a team that picks him up.
That was exactly my point. I'm hoping he finds a spot on the roster for that very reason.

I just don't want us to pull a Jerruh and try to sneak him onto the PS and lose him instead. He's already shown more than I think I've ever seen from Street.
 

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That was exactly my point. I'm hoping he finds a spot on the roster for that very reason.

I just don't want us to pull a Jerruh and try to sneak him onto the PS and lose him instead. He's already shown more than I think I've ever seen from Street.
Yeah, I know it was. I was more reinforcing your point than anything.
 

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With all the DL injuries, why am I not hearing anything about Jack Crawford? Is he injured? Otherwise he seems to be on the fast track to unemployment if he's not taking advantage now.
 

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With all the DL injuries, why am I not hearing anything about Jack Crawford? Is he injured? Otherwise he seems to be on the fast track to unemployment if he's not taking advantage now.
He's been consistently running with the 1's with the other DT's missing practices, no chance he's cut and he'll probably give us another serviceable 3-5 sacks.
 

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He's been consistently running with the 1's with the other DT's missing practices, no chance he's cut and he'll probably give us another serviceable 3-5 sacks.
I hadn't heard his name at all. Was he out there for the scrimmage? I didn't even know if he was hurt or what.
 

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OXNARD, Calif. -- With Tony Romo getting an extra day of rest, Dak Prescott took the first-team quarterback snaps for the Dallas Cowboys for the second time in camp.
However, this time he got to work with Jason Witten and Dez Bryant. When Prescott worked with the ones last week, Witten and Bryant were given the day off. Maybe it was the presence of the veterans, but Prescott was as sharp as he has been all camp.

Dak Prescott went 13 for 16 in work with the first-team on Tuesday. Kirby Lee/USA TODAY SportsIn team and 7-on-7 drills, Prescott went 13 of 16, including a 5-of-6 stretch in the two-minute drill. His only incompletion was a spike to stop the clock. Prescott opened the drive with back-to-back completions to Cole Beasley and then was able to rifle a slant to Terrance Williams just out of the reach of linebacker Anthony Hitchens. He followed that up with a slant to Bryant and, after the spike, he found Witten on a sideline throw to stop the clock and set up a game-tying field goal by Dan Bailey.
It wasn't just the completion percentage that was impressive. It was where Prescott put the ball. On a pass to Witten underneath the zone, he put the ball on Witten's right shoulder, which instinctively told him to turn that way with a defender closing from his left.

On to the observations:
In the offense vs. defense compete period, the offense won on five of the six reps. Witten was the most impressive, feigning to the inside to his left on a seam route to draw S Byron Jones on his hip only to cut back sharply to the right to create a couple of yards of separation for an easy throw from Prescott.
In the goal-line portion of practice the defense was given a 5-3 win, but on the final two snaps DE Lawrence Okoye appeared to line up in the neutral zone. When the No. 1 offense went against the No. 1 defense, RB Darius Jackson ran for a score and TE Austin Traylor caught a TD. The defense, however, came up with a stop on the third snap, with LB Derek Akunne standing Jackson up. DT Zach Wood blew up Jackson's last carry with some penetration that allowed LBs Hitchens and Mark Nzeocha to make a stop.

There was a brief scare when LT Tyron Smith had to miss two snaps in short-yardage work. He appeared to have some soreness in his neck or left shoulder but returned and did not miss another snap.
Usually players get testy as camp goes on but defensive coordinator Rod Marinelli and assistant defensive line coach Leon Lett needed to be separated after the first play of goal-line drills. CB Morris Claiborneplayed peacemaker but the practice kept going without a hitch.

DTs Tyrone Crawford, Terrell McClain and Cedric Thornton returned to practice but did not take part in the short-yardage drills as they work back from back and toe injuries as well as a virus. LB Kyle Wilber, who has been battling a sore back, worked off to the side in full pads. He has not practiced since Aug. 2. WR Devin Street (back) was also rehabbing in full pads.

Heard from the sidelines from a young boy about Bryant: "88 just dropped it. 88 drops nothing."
Brice Butler's best route of the day might have come in one-on-one drills. Working a deep comeback, Butler was able to keep his eyes down field to sell the go route on the cornerback only to peel off a the last second to make a catch from Prescott after getting away from CB Deji Olatoye.

Here’s the first-team kickoff return team so far: Jones, Hitchens, Keith Smith, Nzeocha, Jeff Heath, Gavin Escobar, Geoff Swaim, Jack Crawford, Charles Tapper, Rod Smith and Lucky Whitehead. The first-team kick coverage unit consisted of: Barry Church, Smith, Nzeocha, Heath, Tapper, Swaim, J.J. Wilcox, Smith, Whitehead and Jones.
 

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Usually players get testy as camp goes on but defensive coordinator Rod Marinelli and assistant defensive line coach Leon Lett needed to be separated after the first play of goal-line drills.

... :ez
 

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Scout's Notebook: Dez On The Move, Lucky's Hands, New Scouting Report
Tuesday, August 09, 2016 11:56 PM CDT

By Bryan Broaddus
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OXNARD, Calif. – Five notes from a spirited practice at Cowboys training camp on Tuesday afternoon.

I thought this was the best practice that Dak Prescott has had since we arrived in California. His command of the two-minute drill was outstanding. It reminded me of his days at Mississippi State. He was quick with decisions and accurate with his passes. There were several snaps where he had to deliver the ball into the teeth of a blitz and he was able to pull it off. He smartly used Cole Beasley, Jason Witten and Dez Bryant in the quick game to combat the pressure that he was facing. The offensive line and backs did a nice job of giving him the time to make the throws, but in the end it was his ability, confidence and poise that allowed him to have the success on this day.

I have come to the realization that the more you put Dez Bryant on the move, the better chance you have for an explosive play. By giving Bryant a running start, you are putting the coverage at a huge disadvantage. It happened again during the 7-on-7 period when Bryant motioned across the field, left to right, creating a “bunch” formation to that side. On the snap, he sprinted inside back to the left, leaving Orlando Scandrick in a trailing position. Even with his speed, Scandrick could not keep up with Bryant across the field, making it an easy pitch and catch for Dak Prescott to get him the ball. I would expect that we will see further adjustments in this offensive scheme to keep putting Dez Bryant on the move.

I had been waiting for Kavon Frazier to show up during these practices, and during the goal line period, he did just that. Frazier was lined up on the right side of the defensive formation inside of Mike McAdoo. His defensive assignment was to take first threat in the flat, which happened to be Keith Smith playing the fullback. Frazier reacted to Smith as he collided with McAdoo. Smith was able to shake off McAdoo and head for the flat. Frazier was in perfect position to the Smith’s upfield shoulder as Jameill Showers threw the ball low, causing Smith to have to adjust. Frazier closed on Smith so quickly that it caused him to fall away from the goal line. Smith tried to reach the ball across for a touchdown, but he was in no position to score. It was a heck of an effort by Kavon Frazier on a bang-bang play to keep the offense off the board.

Not the type of practice that Lucky Whitehead wants to relive in the film room Tuesday night. I counted three drops on the day – two coming in 1-on-1 and the other during two-minute drill. What was troubling is that Whitehead, on that final drop, tried to body catch the ball but Isaiah Frey was able to drive on him and knock it away. To Whitehead’s credit, he is normally able to extend his hands and make those types of catches. I believe after the two previous drops, his confidence was shaken and he was put in a situation where he was fighting the ball in order to make the catch, which is tough on a receiver.

I don’t have college film here at camp, so here is my one practice scouting report on newly signed defensive end Shaneil Jenkins. He is listed as a defensive end, but he took the majority of his snaps as a defensive tackle. His listed weight is 281, but he looks much thicker than that --especially in the lower body. Not a fat guy but overall big. Really powerful. Can get off the ball and get his hands inside quickly. Did a nice job of controlling the blocker on the rush. Is a hard guy to set your feet on. Can walk his man back into the quarterback and push the pocket. Had a chance to work the twist stunt with Ryan Russell and the execution was poor on both ends. Later came back in the drills and overpowered Ronald Leary, knocking him off balance then outworking him to the quarterback. For his first day it was encouraging to see him step in and get some solid reps.
 

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OXNARD, Calif. -- As the Dallas Cowboys prepared for their first play of a two-minute drill on Sunday, Pro Bowl center Travis Frederick did what he normally does.

He checked the defensive front, pointed out the middle linebacker and then surveyed the defense once more, tipping the football up as he did.

He was penalized for a false start.


One of the points of emphasis among NFL officials this season is pre-snap movement of the ball, which simulates a snap.


"A center dropping or turning his head, or a guard tapping the center, is legal provided the movement is not quick or abrupt," the NFL operations manual reads.


Frederick focused on the quick-or-abrupt part and figured he was safe. After the practice, Frederick and offensive line coach Frank Pollack spoke with the officials about the call and how to avoid it in the future.


"I thought it was quick-movement issues, but it turns out it's not," Frederick said. "It really has to do with the angle of the ball. We're fortunate to have the refs come out here and give us those speeches, and then also come out to practice and help explain it to us, because I was unaware what I was doing was wrong."


Frederick has gone through pre-snap movement thousands of times. In his three seasons he has been penalized 11 times, and just twice last season. Four of his 11 penalties have been of the false-start variety. Now he will have to adjust how he goes through his movements before snapping the ball to Tony Romo.


"You can't take your hand off it, because that's illegal procedure as well," Frederick said. "And you can't tip it up, so you'll have to tip it down and keep a fingertip on it so you're still touching the ball. It's going to have to be a learned motion to push the ball down and look up at the same time."


The 6-foot-4, 318-pound Frederick is already fairly limber. Still ...


"I'm going to have to do more stretching, I think," he said.
 

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OXNARD, Calif. -- The Dallas Cowboys open the preseason Saturday against theLos Angeles Rams. First-round pick Ezekiel Elliott has not practiced since Aug. 2 because of a sore right hamstring.

"If you don't practice, you usually don't play," running backs coach Gary Brown said after Tuesday's practice.


Brown was quick to say nothing was definitive, but the Cowboys have been deliberate with Elliott's recovery time and don't want to rush him back to work too soon. Elliott has done more and more work off to the side with associate athletic trainer Britt Brown in the past few days.


The Cowboys don't believe the tightness in Elliott's hamstring is serious. Executive vice president Stephen Jones went so far as to say he doesn't even consider it an injury.


"[Elliott] falls into the category of soft-tissue injuries that you have to be pretty deliberate with before you bring guys back," head coach Jason Garrett said. "That's one of those injuries if you bring him back a day or two too soon, all of a sudden you can have a six- or seven-week injury and we don't want that for him or anybody on our team."


With Elliott likely out and Darren McFadden and Lance Dunbar on the non-football injury and physically unable to perform lists, the Cowboys will likely go with Alfred Morris and Darius Jackson as their lead running backs, with fullbackRod Smith also getting work.
 

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OXNARD, Calif. -- The Dallas Cowboys open the preseason Saturday against theLos Angeles Rams. First-round pick Ezekiel Elliott has not practiced since Aug. 2 because of a sore right hamstring.

"If you don't practice, you usually don't play," running backs coach Gary Brown said after Tuesday's practice.


Brown was quick to say nothing was definitive, but the Cowboys have been deliberate with Elliott's recovery time and don't want to rush him back to work too soon. Elliott has done more and more work off to the side with associate athletic trainer Britt Brown in the past few days.


The Cowboys don't believe the tightness in Elliott's hamstring is serious. Executive vice president Stephen Jones went so far as to say he doesn't even consider it an injury.


"[Elliott] falls into the category of soft-tissue injuries that you have to be pretty deliberate with before you bring guys back," head coach Jason Garrett said. "That's one of those injuries if you bring him back a day or two too soon, all of a sudden you can have a six- or seven-week injury and we don't want that for him or anybody on our team."


With Elliott likely out and Darren McFadden and Lance Dunbar on the non-football injury and physically unable to perform lists, the Cowboys will likely go with Alfred Morris and Darius Jackson as their lead running backs, with fullbackRod Smith also getting work.
I'm not too worried. We have a couple of other RBs I'm very excited to see. And with 3 preseason games remaining he will have plenty of time to get his feet wet. I just hope the missed practice time isn't setting him back any.
 

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F**king Elliott is going to make me lose my bet. First with the beating allegations and now because of a sore vagina.
 
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