The Great Police Work Thread

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Obama has been fumbling around every since the Camden incident, I don't think he expected that backlash.

And then when he actually spoke from the heart about the Trayvon incident people really lost their minds.

I am not saying he handled them well but the backlash was way out of proportion.

I think Obama can still make a difference. I hope once he gets out of office he can direct his energies to combating some of these issues without having to worry about politics.

But on the other hand who is going to talk sense into those manic trump supporters who are falling into the victimization trap themselves.
You know, the first time I remember Obama commenting on a social issue was when that black professor locked himself out of his own home and was detained by the police for trying to break in his own house. Even then, I wondered why our President would be commenting on such things as this? Shouldn't he have more important things to worry about?

Then he goes on to comment on the Travon Martin deal along with any other issues involving race. His wife makes comments about how she hate sleeping in the White House because it was built off slave labor.

My point is that I have never seen any President make comments like this before. And these comments have managed to drive a wedge between the American people. O thought that electing the nation's first black President would help bring the nation closer together but the exact opposite has occurred and our president should shoulder his fair share of the blame.
 

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So you did not say "the left" in the post I quoted?

And everything you say about Obama is confirmation bias, he has spoken several times about respecting cops and taking personal responsibility but you ignore that.
I did say the left, maybe I should have said the prominent or dominant political and media left. Just because you may be on the left and don't feel that way, you don't get any coverage. And we all know the expression actions speak louder than words. The president is a two faced liar and while he may occasionally say "personal responsibility" everything he does indicates he doesn't believe in it. So again no confirmational bias, just observing the facts and if it walks and talks like a duck.......
All those things I said before about him before I stand behind.
 

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You know, the first time I remember Obama commenting on a social issue was when that black professor locked himself out of his own home and was detained by the police for trying to break in his own house. Even then, I wondered why our President would be commenting on such things as this? Shouldn't he have more important things to worry about?

Then he goes on to comment on the Travon Martin deal along with any other issues involving race. His wife makes comments about how she hate sleeping in the White House because it was built off slave labor.

My point is that I have never seen any President make comments like this before. And these comments have managed to drive a wedge between the American people. O thought that electing the nation's first black President would help bring the nation closer together but the exact opposite has occurred and our president should shoulder his fair share of the blame.
If you think those comments are something to get upset about maybe you need to take a look at yourself, he was not picking a side.

You seem to be hyper sensitive to any talk about race, yes the white house built by slaves and she was commenting on how much things have changed, why not focus on the entire statement?

How do you feel about here saying the american dream ia alive and well?
 

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Why are people still talking about slaves. That is history and the responsibility lies with the generations that caused the problems.

There has been slaves of multi generations throughout history and it has entailed virtually every race. It's a blight on humanity but what's the point in continuing to parade the issue. There are no slaves in the country now.
 

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Why are people still talking about slaves. That is history and the responsibility lies with the generations that caused the problems.

There has been slaves of multi generations throughout history and it has entailed virtually every race. It's a blight on humanity but what's the point in continuing to parade the issue. There are no slaves in the country now.
This is exactly how I feel about the issue.
 

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This is exactly how I feel about the issue.
I know of no person that is a slave from any race in this country. I do suspect however that there are thousands if not million in this country of multi races that have ancestors who were slaves at some point in history.
 

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I know of no person that is a slave from any race in this country. I do suspect however that there are thousands if not million in this country of multi races that have ancestors who were slaves at some point in history.
I have ancestors that were slaves.
 

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Funny.

I just think of "PIGS IN BLANKETS!! FRY 'EM LIKE BACON!!"

Or

"What do we want??"

"DEAD COPS!!"

"When do we want it?"

"NOW!!"
Pretty much. To try and claim BLM as anything other than a hate movement with nothing more in mind than to agitate is comical.

I'm still waiting for BLM to show up in inner cities like Chicago and start protesting when blacks kill other blacks. Seems kind of strange that #blacklivesmatter only when a white person is involved.
 

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If you think those comments are something to get upset about maybe you need to take a look at yourself, he was not picking a side.
Really? You must be listening to something other than what I hear. He criticized those police officers for being racist when he could have just dismissed it a a stupid mistake....which it was. But it wasn't just those comments that bother me. They were just the beginning.

Why does he have to weigh in on every racial issue? He's always throwing his two cents in on those issues but let a terrorist shoot up a recruiting office or a bar, and we still get lectured for islamaphobia! Or he goes on to blame guns.

But yeah I'm the one who needs to take a look at myself.

You seem to be hyper sensitive to any talk about race, yes the white house built by slaves and she was commenting on how much things have changed, why not focus on the entire statement?

How do you feel about here saying the american dream ia alive and well?
I'd be fine with say the American Dream is alive and well if she didn't have to preface it with the fact that she's ashamed of something that never even existed in her lifetime. I mean why even mention the shame? Just say how proud you are to wake up as a black First Lady in a house that was once built by slaves. No need to shame us EEEVIILLL whiteys for something that happened generations ago.

God forbid that anything terrible happen to his family but let's say hypothetically, Trump's wife or daughter was gunned down in a drive by shooting by a black gang member and every chance he got, he took to the media reminding everyone that most gang members are black thugs.

How old would that get for you?

If this nation is to ever come together, people of all races are going to have to let some stuff go and get the hell over it.

But instead, we have hate groups like BLM who have been given a voice by the race baiting media and at least some credibility from our race baiting president who has done nothing but further divide this country.
 

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To piggyback on my last post, I find it funny that I'm the hyper sensitive one who needs to take a look at himself when you, Jiggy, are the one on here defending a hate group just because they talk about Black lives.

You don't see me defending the KKK and other white supremacist hate groups just because they talk about white lives. I think these hate groups have no use whatsoever in society.

You want to tell us that not all BLM members feel the same way as the ones chanting death to cops and that we shouldn't judge the whole movement in the actions of a few.

Well, I'm sure not all KKK members burn crosses in the yards of black people but that doesn't mean that they should not be lumped in with those racist bastards who have no use in society.

I'll be the first to call a spade a spade and admit that a hate group is a hate group no matter what color skin they think matters.

What about you?

Who really needs to take a look at himself?
 
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Damn, Kidd bringing it strong to the rim.
 

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Wow, this is pretty damn cool. This is what it is going to take to fix this. No taking sides. No color involved. Just loving each other. And, fuck you if this is too sappy for you.

 

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Posted on Facebook by Jay Stalien, Former Police Officer at Baltimore Police Department. Current Police Officer at Palm Beach County, Florida


I have come to realize something that is still hard for me to understand to this day. The following may be a shock to some coming from an African American, but the mere fact that it may be shocking to some is prima facie evidence of the sad state of affairs that we are in as Humans.

I used to be so torn inside growing up. Here I am, a young African-American born and raised in Brooklyn, NY wanting to be a cop. I watched and lived through the crime that took place in the hood. My own black people killing others over nothing. Crack heads and heroin addicts lined the lobby of my building as I shuffled around them to make my way to our 1 bedroom apartment with 6 of us living inside. I used to be woken up in the middle of the night by the sound of gun fire, only to look outside and see that it was 2 African Americans shooting at each other.

It never sat right with me. I wanted to help my community and stop watching the blood of African Americans spilled on the street at the hands of a fellow black man. I became a cop because black lives in my community, along with ALL lives, mattered to me, and wanted to help stop the bloodshed.

As time went by in my law enforcement career, I quickly began to realize something. I remember the countless times I stood 2 inches from a young black man, around my age, laying on his back, gasping for air as blood filled his lungs. I remember them bleeding profusely with the unforgettable smell of deoxygenated dark red blood in the air, as it leaked from the bullet holes in his body on to the hot sidewalk on a summer day. I remember the countless family members who attacked me, spit on me, cursed me out, as I put up crime scene tape to cordon off the crime scene, yelling and screaming out of pain and anger at the sight of their loved ones taking their last breath. I never took it personally, I knew they were hurting. I remember the countless times I had to order new uniforms, because the ones I had on, were bloody from the blood of another black victim…of black on black crime. I remember the countless times I got back in my patrol car, distraught after having watched another black male die in front me, having to start my preliminary report something like this:

Suspect- Black/ Male, Victim-Black /Male.

I remember the countless times I canvassed the area afterwards, and asked everyone “did you see who did it”, and the popular response from the very same family members was always, “Fuck the Police, I ain't no snitch, Im gonna take care of this myself". This happened every single time, every single homicide, black on black, and then my realization became clearer.

I woke up every morning, put my freshly pressed uniform on, shined my badge, functioned checked my weapon, kissed my wife and kid, and waited for my wife to say the same thing she always does before I leave, “Make sure you come back home to us”. I always replied, “I will”, but the truth was I was never sure if I would. I almost lost my life on this job, and every call, every stop, every moment that I had this uniform on, was another possibility for me to almost lose my life again. I was a target in the very community I swore to protect, the very community I wanted to help. As a matter of fact, they hated my very presence. They called me “Uncle Tom”, and “wanna be white boy”, and I couldn’t understand why. My own fellow black men and women attacking me, wishing for my death, wishing for the death of my family. I was so confused, so torn, I couldn’t understand why my own black people would turn against me, when every time they called …I was there. Every time someone died….I was there. Every time they were going through one of the worst moments in their lives…I was there. So why was I the enemy? I dove deep into that question…Why was I the enemy? Then my realization became clearer.

I spoke to members of the community and listened to some of the complaints as to why they hated cops. I then did research on the facts. I also presented facts to these members of the community, and listened to their complaints in response. This is what I learned:

Complaint: Police always targeting us, they always messing with the black man.

Fact: A city where the majority of citizens are black (Baltimore for example) …will ALWAYS have a higher rate of black people getting arrested, it will ALWAYS have a higher rate of blacks getting stopped, and will ALWAYS have a higher rate of blacks getting killed, and the reason why is because a city with those characteristics will ALWAYS have a higher rate of blacks committing crime. The statistics will follow the same trend for Asians if you go to China, for Hispanics if you go to Puerto Rico, for whites if you go to Russia, and the list goes on. It’s called Demographics

Complaint: More black people get arrested than white boys.

Fact: Black People commit a grossly disproportionate amount of crime. Data from the FBI shows that Nationwide, Blacks committed 5,173 homicides in 2014, whites committed 4,367. Chicago’s death toll is almost equal to that of both wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, combined. Chicago’s death toll from 2001–November, 26 2015 stands at 7,401. The combined total deaths during Operation Iraqi Freedom (2003-2015: 4,815) and Operation Enduring Freedom/Afghanistan (2001-2015: 3,506), total 8,321.

Complaint: Blacks are the only ones getting killed by police, or they are killed more.

Fact: As of July 2016, the breakdown of the number of US Citizens killed by Police this year is, 238 White people killed, 123 Black people killed, 79 Hispanics, 69 other/or unknown race.

Fact: Black people kill more other blacks than Police do, and there are only protest and outrage when a cop kills a black man. University of Toledo criminologist Dr. Richard R. Johnson examined the latest crime data from the FBI’s Supplementary Homicide Reports and Centers for Disease Control and found that an average of 4,472 black men were killed by other black men annually between Jan. 1, 2009, and Dec. 31, 2012. Professor Johnson’s research further concluded that 112 black men died from both justified and unjustified police-involved killings annually during this same period.

Complaint: Well we already doing a good job of killing ourselves, we don’t need the Police to do it. Besides they should know better.

The more I listened, the more I realized. The more I researched, the more I realized. I would ask questions, and would only get emotional responses & inferences based on no facts at all. The more killing I saw, the more tragedy, the more savagery, the more violence, the more loss of life of a black man at the hands of another black man….the more I realized.

I haven’t slept well in the past few nights. Heartbreak weighs me down, rage flows through my veins, and tears fills my eyes. I watched my fellow officers assassinated on live television, and the images of them laying on the ground are seared into my brain forever. I couldn’t help but wonder if it had been me, a black man, a black cop, on TV, assassinated, laying on the ground dead,..would my friends and family still think black lives mattered? Would my life have mattered? Would they make t-shirts in remembrance of me? Would they go on tv and protest violence? Would they even make a Facebook post, or share a post in reference to my death?

All of my realizations came to this conclusion. Black Lives do not matter to most black people. Only the lives that make the national news matter to them. Only the lives that are taken at the hands of cops or white people, matter. The other thousands of lives lost, the other black souls that I along with every cop, have seen taken at the hands of other blacks, do not matter. Their deaths are unnoticed, accepted as the “norm”, and swept underneath the rug by the very people who claim and post “black lives matter”. I realized that this country is full of ignorance, where an educated individual will watch the ratings-driven news media, and watch a couple YouTube video clips, and then come to the conclusion that they have all the knowledge they need to have in order to know what it feels like to have a bullet proof vest as part of your office equipment, “Stay Alive” as part of your daily to do list, and having insurance for your health insurance because of the high rate of death in your profession. They watch a couple videos and then they magically know in 2 minutes 35 seconds, how you are supposed to handle a violent encounter, which took you 6 months of Academy training, 2 – 3 months of field training, and countless years of blood, sweat, tears and broken bones experiencing violent encounters and fine tuning your execution of the Use of Force Continuum. I realized that there are even cops, COPS, duly sworn law enforcement officers, who are supposed to be decent investigators, who will publicly go on the media and call other white cops racist and KKK, based on a video clip that they watched thousands of miles away, which was filmed after the fact, based on a case where the details aren’t even known yet and the investigation hasn’t even begun. I realized that most in the African American community refuse to look at solving the bigger problem that I see and deal with every day, which is black on black crime taking hundreds of innocent black lives each year, and instead focus on the 9 questionable deaths of black men, where some were in the act of committing crimes. I realized that they value the life of a Sex Offender and Convicted Felon, [who was in the act of committing multiple felonies: felon in possession of a firearm-FELONY, brandishing and threatening a homeless man with a gun-Aggravated Assault in Florida: FELONY, who resisted officers who first tried to taze him, and WAS NOT RESTRAINED, who can be clearly seen in one of the videos raising his right shoulder, then shooting it down towards the right side of his body exactly where the firearm was located and recovered] more than the lives of the innocent cops who were assassinated in Dallas protecting the very people that hated them the most. I realized that they refuse to believe that most cops acknowledge that there are Bad cops who should have never been given a badge & gun, who are chicken shit and will shoot a cockroach if it crawls at them too fast, who never worked in the hood and may be intimidated. That most cops dread the thought of having to shoot someone, and never see the turmoil and mental anguish that a cop goes through after having to kill someone to save his own life. Instead they believe that we are all blood thirsty killers, because the media says so, even though the numbers prove otherwise. I realize that they truly feel as if the death of cops will help people realize the false narrative that Black Lives Matter, when all it will do is take their movement two steps backwards and label them domestic terrorist. I realized that some of these people, who say Black Lives Matter, are full of hate and racism. Hate for cops, because of the false narrative that more black people are targeted and killed. Racism against white people, for a tragedy that began 100’s of years ago, when most of the white people today weren’t even born yet. I realized that some in the African American community’s idea of “Justice” is the prosecution of ANY and EVERY cop or white man that kills or is believed to have killed a black man, no matter what the circumstances are. I realized the African American community refuses to look within to solve its major issues, and instead makes excuses and looks outside for solutions. I realized that a lot of people in the African American community lead with hate, instead of love. Division instead of Unity. Turmoil and rioting, instead of Peace. I realized that they have become the very entity that they claim they are fighting against.

I realized that the very reasons I became a cop, are the very reasons my own people hate me, and now in this toxic hateful racially charged political climate, I am now more likely to die,... and it is still hard for me to understand…. to this day.
 
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