A week of LGBTQ acceptance education in a middle school. Really?

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There is a boy that wears dresses, high heels and makeup to school everyday at my kids school. He is very aggressive about asserting himself and his transness at school. My son expressed concern about this so I had a talk with him. I basically told him that this was harmless and to always be nice to the kid. To never join in on any negative talk or teasing. He'd never do anything aggressive toward the kid because we dont teach those values to our kids. My son had him as a partner on a project in art class. His project ended up being on fashion design of all things. We were making fun of my son at the dinner table about it all because that's what we do in our family. My oldest daughter was telling me that the principal told the kid to take off his high heels. The kid told him that of girls can wear them he can too and that him mom would get involved of he wanted to go through the trouble. My response was in agreement with the kid. The principal can't really do anything about so I instructed my daughter to be nice to the kid and show the love of Christ. That is what we believe and that is what we teach.

Now, if that kid decides that he is going to assert himself by sharing the locker room, shower or bathroom with my daughter there is going to be a major problem. I guarantee you right now there will be a gaggle of athletes that will take care of the problem by physically removing the kid. Love and acceptance doesn't reach that far in my world. If you have a penis and you end up in the shower with other girls I will do something about it. Frankly, any man that supports that should go ahead and put a dress on a shove a giant rubber dong up his ass and leave it there. I'd like to help out by kicking it up a little further.
Christianity all the way until you disagree with it.

And if you don't agree with me with fuck Christianity again.

Who knew just having a penis makes you so dangerous.
 

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This doesn't have shit to do with the media. Guys going into girls restrooms is extremely uncomfortable for young girls. The fear of having your privacy invaded is a real thing. I don't understand why you are trying to figure out who caused this. We live in a society where young and old girls can be comfortable. Do you not understand that almost all girls are uncomfortable with this? So why should everyone have to change for a few? It is stupid.
But you never address what to do with the FTM trans that would be just as uncomfortable.

What about them?
 

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Christianity all the way until you disagree with it.

And if you don't agree with me with fuck Christianity again.

Who knew just having a penis makes you so dangerous.
Huh? I really don't understand your post. No idea what you are saying.
 

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But you never address what to do with the FTM trans that would be just as uncomfortable.

What about them?
I don't want trans people to be uncomfortable. The issue I'm bringing up is that it is causing a much bigger problem with many many more people. I really don't understand how that can't be acknowledged by everyone involved here. It is like each side wants to cover there ears and pretend there aren't consequences.
 

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You are an idiot. I'm obviously voicing frustration about real issues. Do you get that it has already effected my daughters? Please don't reproduce, I'm begging you. You are incapable of standing up for your potential little girls. We don't need more passive dads in this world.
You are a asshole.

You have no idea how he would be as a parent and this issue has very little bearing on that.

To understand the trans side of the issue does not make you a passive dad.

Asshole.
 

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I don't want trans people to be uncomfortable. The issue I'm bringing up is that it is causing a much bigger problem with many many more people. I really don't understand how that can't be acknowledged by everyone involved here. It is like each side wants to cover there ears and pretend there aren't consequences.
You still have not answered the question.

Female to male trans look like actual men and are attracted to women for the most part, yet your argument has them using a female bathroom.

How is that going to go over with your daughter?
 

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I don't plan on being a parent, but if I ever have kids I doubt it'll be biologically. My partner has a lot of health issues that probably shouldn't be passed down. Lemme tell you, I'm anything but passive. I'm just actively pushing for a more inclusive society.
I'll bring up he same point to you. Do you understand that there are consequences to all of this? Please don't be so damn naive and willfully ignorant that you refuse to see that far far more people will be effected than trans peole ever were. That much is obvious.
 

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You are a asshole.

You have no idea how he would be as a parent and this issue has very little bearing on that.

To understand the trans side of the issue does not make you a passive dad.

Asshole.
Actually it has everything to do with being a dad. If it didn't I may not care as much. Since I am loving it in real time I have some idea of the potential of the enormity of it. So yeah, it is pretty personal with me. The agenda itself gets the dad in me in fight mode. It makes me question the fiber of our society and what manhood is. I question what the role of masculinity plays in this world when it comes to the instinct to protect. Am I fantasizing that this used to be valued and now it is deminishing?
 

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Your selective Christianity.
Jiggy, you are welcome to go there if you like. It is extremely petty and inflammatory though. Really, why would you unless it gives you some sort of weird satisfaction to pounce when I make a mistake. Why do you care about that? Don't be childish, man. Please use this one time to have a good response to other human beings.

It is called being human. It happens, you know.
 

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You still have not answered the question.

Female to male trans look like actual men and are attracted to women for the most part, yet your argument has them using a female bathroom.

How is that going to go over with your daughter?
I'm going to say this one time and one one only. If you make one point against my daughter you will never post in this forum again.

To answer your question I do not know the answer on how to make everyone in America happy. I really don't. I will say this though, when you jump to conclusion and make the decree that our president did you've crossed the line and made a huge mistake. I do think he issue is dialogue worthy by all parties thought.
 

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I'll bring up he same point to you. Do you understand that there are consequences to all of this? Please don't be so damn naive and willfully ignorant that you refuse to see that far far more people will be effected than trans peole ever were. That much is obvious.
Here's the thing. If we had coed restrooms from the get go. This would not be an issue. There are places in Japan where men and women bath together, and it's not a big deal. We've built seperate gender restrooms on the premise of "roosters in the hen house".

Now at this point I don't know if gender integration is something that could be easily realized, now that the stigma exists certain people are going to be creepy about it, and that's going to be a difficult bell to unring. But our seperate bathrooms has left out a group of people who have been mistreated, I think it's a massive stretch of the imagination to believe that letting trans people use their restroom of choice would have long term consequences. It would just be another thing that isn't a big deal after awhile.
 

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Actually it has everything to do with being a dad. If it didn't I may not care as much. Since I am loving it in real time I have some idea of the potential of the enormity of it. So yeah, it is pretty personal with me. The agenda itself gets the dad in me in fight mode. It makes me question the fiber of our society and what manhood is. I question what the role of masculinity plays in this world when it comes to the instinct to protect. Am I fantasizing that this used to be valued and now it is deminishing?
I am a dad as well.

I don't have a daughter but I have 3 Granddaughters and have no issue explaining both sides of the debate without creating a boogieman.

Yes you are fantasizing and projecting your issues and morals ,

Where you not the person saying watching porn should be considered gay because you were looking at other penises?

Sounds like you have your own issues to deal with.
 

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Here's the thing. If we had coed restrooms from the get go. This would not be an issue. There are places in Japan where men and women bath together, and it's not a big deal. We've built seperate gender restrooms on the premise of "roosters in the hen house".

Now at this point I don't know if gender integration is something that could be easily realized, now that the stigma exists certain people are going to be creepy about it, and that's going to be a difficult bell to unring. But our seperate bathrooms has left out a group of people who have been mistreated, I think it's a massive stretch of the imagination to believe that letting trans people use their restroom of choice would have long term consequences. It would just be another thing that isn't a big deal after awhile.
But things never go that way. This is about more issues than just a few trans people. I've tried my best to bring up real consequences and those get glossed over. That pretty much proves that this discussion isn't solution based but it is agenda based.
 

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I'm going to say this one time and one one only. If you make one point against my daughter you will never post in this forum again.

To answer your question I do not know the answer on how to make everyone in America happy. I really don't. I will say this though, when you jump to conclusion and make the decree that our president did you've crossed the line and made a huge mistake. I do think he issue is dialogue worthy by all parties thought.
How did you take that as making a point against your daughter?

I was just asking the same question you did about a man looking woman going into the woman's RR only this time it's along with the law you are advocating for.
 

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I am a dad as well.

I don't have a daughter but I have 3 Granddaughters and have no issue explaining both sides of the debate without creating a boogieman.

Yes you are fantasizing and projecting your issues and morals ,

Where you not the person saying watching porn should be considered gay because you were looking at other penises?

Sounds like you have your own issues to deal with.
I was poking fun at porn watchers and trying my best to make everyone feel uncomfortable about their porn obsessions. I still think it is hilarious to talk about because we had all sorts of people quickly correcting me. Like, "hey, when you jerk off to watching a women jerk someone off aren't yet jerking off to a penis?" Haha that's a legitimate question and a funny thing to think about. My hope was that next time one of you guys run one out in this way you question your sexuality.

I really don't understand this boogie man thing at all. There are lots of people that don't want their daughter worrying about if they are going to have to share showers and locker rooms with boys. I thought that was just a normal response of dads. Isn't it?
 

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How did you take that as making a point against your daughter?

I was just asking the same question you did about a man looking woman going into the woman's RR only this time it's along with the law you are advocating for.
I didn't but I know you. I'm just letting you know not to go there. This is the raw section of the forum but that is off limits. Things get escalated over emotional issues.
 

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Let's go ahead and out one issue to rest here - masculinity is certainly becoming more and more revalued. No question about it.
 

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Jiggy, you are welcome to go there if you like. It is extremely petty and inflammatory though. Really, why would you unless it gives you some sort of weird satisfaction to pounce when I make a mistake. Why do you care about that? Don't be childish, man. Please use this one time to have a good response to other human beings.

It is called being human. It happens, you know.
It's not petty its the truth.

And after everything you have called me and accused me of now you have the gall to play the victim card. .

I get no satisfaction but just like you certain things that I feel strongly about and like you do with me constantly, I respond.
 

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I didn't but I know you. I'm just letting you know not to go there. This is the raw section of the forum but that is off limits. Things get escalated over emotional issues.
Fuck you dude.

I have never talked about anybodies family on this board as long as I have been here.

You get way more personal than I do so save that "you know me" bullshit.

There is nothing in my posting history to make you or anyone think I would say something untoward about your daughter.
 
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