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I think the Raptors do enough to win today's game 7, but I'd love to see Miami play Cleveland.

These Miami fans have been begging for a shot at Lebron in the playoffs for a couple of months now. My neighbors on both sides are huge Heat homers.

I'd love to see it happen just so I can LOL at them as they're being swept out of the ECF.
Yea, I wanna see that matchup too.

Hopefully Miami finds a way to win today.

Hopefully Wade takes more PEDs for today. :art
 

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I'm just annoyed that LeBron James has not had a single legitimate team stand in his way in the East since he left for Miami. When those stars all colluded to join Miami, Boston got old at the same time and the Bulls never coalesced the way they should have. This is just another free trip to the Finals for him.
 

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I'm just annoyed that LeBron James has not had a single legitimate team stand in his way in the East since he left for Miami. When those stars all colluded to join Miami, Boston got old at the same time and the Bulls never coalesced the way they should have. This is just another free trip to the Finals for him.
There's no doubt about that. Lebron's had a very easy path to the Finals the past few years.
 

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Yea, I wanna see that matchup too.

Hopefully Miami finds a way to win today.

Hopefully Wade takes more PEDs for today. :art
The story lines would be great but I can't see the Heat winning more than a game in that series.
 

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The story lines would be great but I can't see the Heat winning more than a game in that series.
I just wanna see it for the hate that's gonna come Lebron's way from idiotic Heat fans.

Neither one of those teams stands a chance against Cleveland.
 

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The lessons of the NBA draft combine
Jonathan Givony of The Vertical By Jonathan Givony of The Vertical
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Yahoo Sports

The Vertical draft insider Jonathon Givony of DraftExpress examines the changing landscape of the NBA draft combine, which wrapped up this past weekend in Chicago.

The 2016 draft class is deep

Teams drafting in the mid- to late lottery appear to be somewhat dejected about the talent outside of the top two picks. There’s a shortage of All-Star-caliber prospects once you get past Brandon Ingram and Ben Simmons, but those outside of the lottery are happy with the options at their disposal.

“From what I can tell, there are 30 potential NBA rotation players sitting there in the 15-45 range,” one general manager told The Vertical in Chicago. “What this class lacks in star power it more than makes up for with depth.”

The pool of high-level basketball talent has been getting deeper and deeper for years now, not just in the United States but also internationally. Over a quarter of the players currently projected to be drafted are international prospects. A shortage of roster spots in the NBA may cause some of that talent to overflow and spill over next year into the NBA Development League. There will be many good players going undrafted as well, some of whom will end up making the NBA (60 undrafted players are currently on NBA rosters).

The game is changing


The level of play at this year’s combine seemed to be significantly higher than last year, in no small part because of the new rules regarding underclassmen testing the waters. But of the 37 players who competed in five-on-five, only a handful will end up being drafted at the end of the first round.
In the past, lottery-caliber prospects would at least participate in shooting, ball-handling and light transition drills. There was also occasional one-on-one or two-on-games in which some of the more highly regarded prospects actually broke a sweat. That seemed to have been scrapped altogether this year, with five-on-five taking center court.

The days of the group workouts in which all 30 NBA teams would pool their resources to conduct workouts for 44 players in a 24-hour period – the Brooklyn Nets' combine or L.A. Clippers' combine, for example – are over as well.

Instead, agents are telling NBA teams that their best chance of seeing first-round prospects on the basketball court (outside of private workouts) is at another scheduled setting.

Over the next three weeks, almost every major agency will be conducting pro days in New York, Los Angeles, Sarasota, Fla., Chicago and Las Vegas. All 30 teams will travel to these different settings to watch agencies put their players through very light workouts designed to highlight their clients’ strengths and hide their weaknesses. NBA executives will be there because they don’t want to miss out. But will they actually learn anything?

Good luck projecting the draft
Because of how little separation there is between the various groups of prospects this year, expect this to be an especially wild draft night in terms of players falling or rising relative from where they are projected. There is very little consensus among teams about which players are best, especially once you get outside of the top 15 prospects or so.

What’s especially difficult is that many players who are described by some NBA teams as not being serious prospects at all are viewed as being the exact opposite by other franchises. You can ask 30 different teams about the same player and get thirty different opinions, with wildly different draft ranges. The adage of, “It only takes one team to like you,” means we could see some major surprises on draft night.


The combine didn’t do much to clarify things either. Twenty-six players who were present in Chicago did not participate in any five-on-five action. That doesn’t include Simmons, Domantas Sabonis and Dejounte Murray, who declined invites and are currently projected as first-rounders (although Murray could slip). The total also doesn’t include as many as 10 European players who are projected in DraftExpress’ top 37 picks but couldn’t be at the combine because their teams’ seasons are still in progress.
It stands to reason that at least a handful of those who played five-on-five action – such as Cheick Diallo, DeAndre Bembry, Patrick McCaw, Ben Bentil, Malcolm Brogdon and Robert Carter – appeared to move into the first round based on their play, but the numbers simply don’t add up. With so many first-round prospects, there will be some very disappointed agents and players on draft night.

Trust declining between agents and teams
There is a significant tug of war between agents and NBA teams on how information is shared.

NBA teams seem to have become more and more leery of dispersing their intellectual scouting property and providing real feedback and assessments of players, while other teams appear to be just outright lying.

Many teams have taken the approach of simply telling every player (and their agent) that they like them. It’s to the point that many prospects have developed an unrealistic sense of where they actually stand.

Multiple NBA executives told The Vertical that they simply have no choice because dispersing real feedback will ultimately come back to haunt them. “What is the benefit of being honest and realistic about a player’s chances, when all an agent will do is hold that against you down the line?” a source said.

That is especially the case with NBA teams having D-League affiliates for which they need to supply talent. Many of the D-League call-ups this year came from a NBA team reaching into its own D-League affiliate for a 10-day contract. An agent is unlikely to send an undrafted player to summer league, training camp and eventually to play for the D-League affiliate of an NBA team that doesn’t have a strong affinity for his client.

On the other hand, agents are increasingly taking a hardline stance in their negotiations with teams, refusing to send their players for workouts or even interviews in order to not concede anything regarding what they feel is their client’s draft range. Instead, they are relying on teams coming to their pro days.

One agent told The Vertical that’s generally his strategy. “If my client goes to work out for a team that is picking outside where he’s generally projected, other teams view that as a weakness, like his stock is falling,” he said. “Either way, most of these teams end up picking a player they never worked out regardless, so what exactly is the point?”

Some NBA executives also complained that many of the prospects now are too robotic in the interview process after being prepared by professionals. “This may have been the most coached-up bunch of guys I’ve ever seen this year,” said one executive who was present for every interview session his team held. “We didn’t get that much out of the interviews this year.”
 

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Pretty good read. Work outs are being condensed, access to players are being condensed, and the agents are coaching the players up to ace the interviews.

Basically what I took from it are teams are going to have to rely more heavily on actual game-play footage to make their decisions.

That actually could be a good thing in the long run. I think this evolution of the draft/combine process could potentially force teams to trust their eyes more and limit the number of times we see a player drafted high purely off potential. Could save a lot of these GMs from themselves.
 

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Pretty good read. Work outs are being condensed, access to players are being condensed, and the agents are coaching the players up to ace the interviews.

Basically what I took from it are teams are going to have to rely more heavily on actual game-play footage to make their decisions.

That actually could be a good thing in the long run. I think this evolution of the draft/combine process could potentially force teams to trust their eyes more and limit the number of times we see a player drafted high purely off potential. Could save a lot of these GMs from themselves.
Yeah great "workouts" have led to vast majority of busts.

Potential carries far to much weight in the NBA draft.
 

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Actually G.S. has had it pretty easily over the the last 2 years as well.

This is the 1st legitimate healthy team they have faced in the playoffs in 2 years.
 

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Curry is starting to annoy me. I was a big fan of his from the start, but he seems to be getting more and more arrogant. I was glad to see OKC handle them.
 

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Curry is starting to annoy me. I was a big fan of his from the start, but he seems to be getting more and more arrogant. I was glad to see OKC handle them.
The team in general is becoming more arrogant and entitled. I can't blame them for being cocky and confident but what really gets me is how much they whine and complain, Kerr included, despite the fact that their offense is basically predicated on blurring the line of what is or is not a moving screen.

Draymond especially acts like he's getting anally probed every time a call goes against him yet this guy is constantly straddling the line of what is legal and what is a foul.
 

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The team in general is becoming more arrogant and entitled. I can't blame them for being cocky and confident but what really gets me is how much they whine and complain, Kerr included, despite the fact that their offense is basically predicated on blurring the line of what is or is not a moving screen.

Draymond especially acts like he's getting anally probed every time a call goes against him yet this guy is constantly straddling the line of what is legal and what is a foul.
That's the key word that I saw a lot of their fans using yesterday.

A lot of them mentioned that the way the team played reeked of arrogance. Draymond putting up a shot from 30 feet out with 17 seconds on the shot clock is a prime example of that.
 
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Lord, please be with the Celtics tonight. We don't even need to win the lottery, top 2 would be just fine. Brad Stevens deserves this.
 

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The team in general is becoming more arrogant and entitled. I can't blame them for being cocky and confident but what really gets me is how much they whine and complain, Kerr included, despite the fact that their offense is basically predicated on blurring the line of what is or is not a moving screen.

Draymond especially acts like he's getting anally probed every time a call goes against him yet this guy is constantly straddling the line of what is legal and what is a foul.
No doubt they are a great team, but because they don't seem to value the ball, they got beat. So many shots last night that were extremely tough to make, but they kept jacking them up. Can't do that against a team like OKC...I used to bash the guy, but I am not sure there is a player in the league that I would want more on my team than Westbrook. He impressed me when he slowed the game down and worked the clock while still getting good shots.
 

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I am a bit surprised that so many want Sixers to take Ingram.
 
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