A week of LGBTQ acceptance education in a middle school. Really?

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Based on this, can't you see a problem with making malleable social theories into standards of ethics and morality?

I guess you have to find something in a post-Christian world. Of course, therein lies the problem, I feel.
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Based on this, can't you see a problem with making malleable social theories into standards of ethics and morality?

I guess you have to find something in a post-Christian world. Of course, therein lies the problem, I feel.
Oh there's definitely problems with it. Dealing with liberals is tedious because it feels like they change their nomenclature on a weekly basis. But nothing is non-malleable. This is why Christians have splintered into dozens of denominations.

Personally I'd like to see Christianity endure as a culture. Christians led the charge on abolitionism, women's suffrage, and hull houses in this country. It'd be nice if we could celebrate those genuine efforts to make the world a better place.

Unfortunately the Falwells, Robertsons, Bill Donohue, and Bill Gothard have really made Christians look like assholes for the last 30 years. I think the drastic decline in American Christianity can be placed at those hucksters feet. They created a really toxic form of evangelism (see malleability of all things including Christianity) and now it's really difficult for people to see the church as anything else.
 

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Oh there's definitely problems with it. Dealing with liberals is tedious because it feels like they change their nomenclature on a weekly basis. But nothing is non-malleable. This is why Christians have splintered into dozens of denominations.

Personally I'd like to see Christianity endure as a culture. Christians led the charge on abolitionism, women's suffrage, and hull houses in this country. It'd be nice if we could celebrate those genuine efforts to make the world a better place.

Unfortunately the Falwells, Robertsons, Bill Donohue, and Bill Gothard have really made Christians look like assholes for the last 30 years. I think the drastic decline in American Christianity can be placed at those hucksters feet. They created a really toxic form of evangelism (see malleability of all things including Christianity) and now it's really difficult for people to see the church as anything else.
I just really have to bite my tongue here and say nothing about it. But it's hard.
 

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Because I can show you pictures of transgender male to females that would make women feel extremely uncomfortable in a bathroom. You're arguing for those transgenders as well.
Right but you never answered the question.

So what happens a guard outside every bathroom checking for how you look.

What about hairy women or hardcore dikes?
 

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As much as I continue to have concerns about the topic I started, Jiggs and everyone else seems to be minimizing the fact that this is coming down as the articles says, by "presidential decree". The president is saying all the pubic schools in the country have to do this or face law suits or loss of federal money. This is the scary part I was referencing. And then you have liberal morons like the FWISD here who is all about this crap.

Think of that, A federal mandate to appease less than .0025% of the population and scorning better than 50% of it because it is your agenda. Those of you that take this up as if it were your own struggle and yet have no skin in the game other than you consider yourselves a defender of the trans just slay me. You only see the part that says everyone else that has skin in the game and believes differently than you has to be bigoted. Aside from believing different than you I am also looking at the more recent bigger picture. But hey, it's only about men who think they are women going to ladies restrooms; and then locker rooms; and then showers. Oh yeah, because it will be mandated by the president. :budd
 

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Right but you never answered the question.

So what happens a guard outside every bathroom checking for how you look.

What about hairy women or hardcore dikes?
What about them? If they are males they use the male restroom. If they are female they use the female restroom. That's been going on for a while and the world didn't get turned upside down.
 

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What about them? If they are males they use the male restroom. If they are female they use the female restroom. That's been going on for a while and the world didn't get turned upside down.
What's been going on for awhile is the people who looked enough like their experienced gender just used that restroom. As you've seen from all the photos Jiggy has posted, there are plenty of trans people that don't look like their birth certificate assigned gender, and would likely be treated as men invading female restrooms or vise versa.
 

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What's been going on for awhile is the people who looked enough like their experienced gender just used that restroom. As you've seen from all the photos Jiggy has posted, there are plenty of trans people that don't look like their birth certificate assigned gender, and would likely be treated as men invading female restrooms or vise versa.
Then it hasnt been a problem. Why start forcing the issue by making/allowing a male looking guy go to a female rest room just because they feel more girlish these days.
 

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Right but you never answered the question.

So what happens a guard outside every bathroom checking for how you look.

What about hairy women or hardcore dikes?
Mostly self policing. Just allows a woman to call the police if she sees a man in the bathroom and for that person to actually get in trouble. No different then 99% of pur laws.
 

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Mostly self policing. Just allows a woman to call the police if she sees a man in the bathroom and for that person to actually get in trouble. No different then 99% of pur laws.
So if you look androgynous you should just not use the restroom, in case somebody decides to call the cops on you.
 

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Then it hasnt been a problem. Why start forcing the issue by making/allowing a male looking guy go to a female rest room just because they feel more girlish these days.
The new laws like North Carolina has are not even keeping to that standard, they're worried about the gender on your birth certificate not the one you appear to be.

The best policy would be for everyone to mind their own business. If someone is just in a restroom to do their business, they should be required to go through an inquiry. Live and let live.
 

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The new laws like North Carolina has are not even keeping to that standard, they're worried about the gender on your birth certificate not the one you appear to be.

The best policy would be for everyone to mind their own business. If someone is just in a restroom to do their business, they should be required to go through an inquiry. Live and let live.
I'm fine with that as long as it is business as usual but I don't want a girl/woman hanging around the john in a skirt just because she feels more masculine at the moment.
 

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...f9a_story.html

‘Not about bathrooms’: Critics decry North Carolina law’s lesser-known elements

DURHAM, N.C. — In this state where the modern bathroom wars began, some church and civil rights leaders have begun to spread the word that there’s plenty else to worry about in the controversial new law known formally as the Public Facilities Privacy and Security Act.

The law not only reverses a Charlotte ordinance that had extended some rights to gay and transgender people. It also prevents city and county governments from setting a minimum-wage standard for private employers and limits how people can sue for discrimination in state court. And it contains a provision allowing for remaining parts of the law to stand if others are struck down in court.

Those provisions, opponents say, are pernicious attempts to roll back rights, and they have been tucked into a bill that has a very different public face.

“This is really a devious bill that harms workers under the guise of regulating bathrooms,” said Harold Lloyd, a professor at Wake Forest University School of Law.

A campaign is underway to explain just that to North Carolinians such as John Houston, a 70-year-old pastor from Kinston, who says he shares Gov. Pat McCrory’s moral conviction that a law is needed to make people use the bathroom that corresponds to the gender on their birth certificate.

Activists and groups including the state NAACP are now on a crusade to educate conservative voters such as Houston, who agree with the law because of deeply held religious beliefs or live in more-conservative parts of the state, about its additional components.

They say the totality of the law disproportionately affects African Americans, women and immigrants along with gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people, and is reminiscent of the policies of the segregation era.

Even as the heated debate on transgender bathroom accommodations spreads across the country in response to Friday’s directive from the Obama administration to all public schools, opponents of the new law are crisscrossing the state, often invoking the civil rights battles that took place here and throughout the South in the 1950s and 60s.

“This is not about bathrooms. It’s about whether or not you can codify hate and discrimination into the laws of the state,” said the Rev. William Barber II, who leads the North Carolina NAACP and is also fighting the state over its voter-identification law.

Barber and other opponents said the law, which was introduced, debated, passed and signed in a single day in March, was put forward to help McCrory (R) and Republican legislators hang onto their seats in what is bound to be a contentious November election in a state whose liberal cities and conservative countryside have turned it a solid shade of purple. McCrory is in a tight race with Democratic Attorney General Roy Cooper, who has denounced the law and said he wouldn’t defend it.

“This is about November. It’s about wedge issues, and it’s about sexual and racial fears,” Barber said. He said it is the latest manifestation of the “Southern strategy” employed by Republicans to gain political support based on fear of the other.

“It’s almost sad that they’re living in a historical time warp and they believe that they can run these little wedge issues and people can’t see through them.”

A spokesman for McCrory did not return requests for comment, nor did the bill’s sponsors. The governor took action to try to blunt the backlash, banning discrimination in state personnel decisions and calling for the legislature to enact a law reversing the provision that makes it difficult to sue for discrimination in state court.

But in places like rural Kinston, whose population is about 68 percent black, many said they agreed with the transgender bathroom part of the law for moral or religious reasons, but that they knew little about the minimum-wage and employment-discrimination provisions.

“If you’re going to lose millions of dollars and affect everyone in this state, maybe it ain’t right,” Houston said. Lenoir County, where Kinston is located, gives free breakfast and lunch to all students, a program funded in large part by federal dollars.

The White House said Thursday it would not cut federal funding to North Carolina while the lawsuits are winding their way through court.


Barber went to western North Carolina earlier this month to talk about the issue, and he plans to have what he calls a “Moral Monday” protest in Raleigh this week. At least 54 people protesting the law, which is also called House Bill 2 (H.B. 2) and which Barber calls “Hate Bill 2,” were arrested at a sit-in at the state Capitol last month.

Barber said he tries to present the totality of the law, and people typically disagree with it once they learn more about the transgender issue and minimum-wage provisions.

At least one legislator who voted for it said he didn’t realize all that the law encompassed. North Carolina state Rep. George W. Graham Jr., who represents Lenoir County and voted for the bill, told the Raleigh News and Observer that he didn’t know until after the vote that the legislation dealt with issues of minimum wage and discrimination suits.

“Those are two of the major things that are antithetical to what the state’s history has been about and its evolution over the last 50 years,” said state Sen. Daniel T. Blue Jr. (D).

The campaign against H.B. 2 is similar to one that advocates waged in the wake of a battle over voting rights here after the state passed a controversial voting rights law, one of the strictest in the nation in 2013. The Justice Department and state civil rights groups sued. In April, a federal judge upheld North Carolina’s law; the groups have appealed.

Barber said the law and a redrawing of the state’s congressional maps led to an “unconstitutionally constituted legislature passing unconstitutional legislation.”

U.S. Attorney General Loretta E. Lynch, a North Carolina native whose father grew up in the segregated South, also used the language of the civil rights movement that Barber and others have employed when talking about H.B. 2. In a news conference Monday, she compared conflicts about bathrooms and transgender people to Jim Crow laws.

McCrory said on “The Mark Levin Show” on Monday that he takes issue with people comparing the bathroom law to the civil rights struggle.

“There is absolutely no relevance between the issue of civil rights for African Americans, which went through a tremendous struggle, and the issue of how do we determine the gender of a person going into our public showers or public restrooms or public locker rooms,” McCrory said.

He said the church in which Lynch grew up supports the law; her father was the pastor at White Rock Baptist Church in Durham for years. The church said last week the pastor has not taken a public position on the law.

Lynch’s lawsuit is suing over “compliance and implementation of Part I” of the North Carolina law, not the other sections. The Justice Department did not respond to a request seeking comment.

“Who would you be in 1963?” Nancy “Mama Nia” Wilson, executive director of SpiritHouse, an arts and organizing group in Durham, said she asks people after she explains the law.

That appeal has not yet changed the minds of voters such as Carlos Parker, who was chatting with a friend at Christian Cuts barbershop in Kinston. He didn’t know about the other provisions of the bill but agrees with McCrory’s stance on bathrooms.

“I’m with McCrory. I hate to say that,” said Parker, 38. “I think McCrory is standing his ground for religious beliefs.”
 

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So if you look androgynous you should just not use the restroom, in case somebody decides to call the cops on you.
:lol

Good god.
 

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Jiggyfly said:
Activists and groups including the state NAACP are now on a crusade to educate conservative voters such as Houston, who agree with the law because of deeply held religious beliefs or live in more-conservative parts of the state, about its additional components.

They say the totality of the law disproportionately affects African Americans, women and immigrants along with gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people, and is reminiscent of the policies of the segregation era.
Good fucking god.

And, this added outrage about the minimum wage shit is just that, shit. Minimum wage is and always has been regulated at the state level. Just more nonsense to try to bring more sensationalism to this law.
 
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