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NoDak

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Bipo has been telling us for years how ashamed of this country he is. We're supposed to believe that THIS is the low point of his shame? Yeah, gonna have to call bullshit.
 

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I don't even know anymore. I never though Trump had a prayer of getting this far. Besides, Hilary is a total dumpster fire of a Democratic candidate so it gives him a chance.
I think Trump has dominated a party for all the same reasons he'll be dominated in the real election. Because the radicalized right wing of the Republican Party has pushed out any form of moderate, and the Republican establishment hadn't put forward a worthwhile presidential candidate.

Hillary is coming in with the momentum of a freight train, as the presumptive 2016 nominee since 2008. She's practically an incumbent. Yeah, she had a hard fought primary with Sanders, but NY ended decisively. She comes out looking like a clear victor, Meanwhile the GOP primary will be fighting Trump tooth and nail possibly after the bell and through an excruciating convention. The GOP looks desperate, disorganized, and weak.

Pretty much all the problems that plagued the post Johnson democrats are in full display in the Republican Party, they're base is divided and they have no organizational control of their party. It's hijacked, and they're going to have lost every undecided voter with this pathetic sideshow.
 

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I think Trump has dominated a party for all the same reasons he'll be dominated in the real election. Because the radicalized right wing of the Republican Party has pushed out any form of moderate, and the Republican establishment hadn't put forward a worthwhile presidential candidate.
Agree with second part and disagree with the first. Trump is not appealing to radical conservatism (aside from fringe white supremacists who are very few). He's appealing to people who rightly feel disenfranchised by our current process. Unfortunately he's the wrong horse for those people, seeing as he's an un-presidential phony.
 

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I think this solidifies Hillary as the Nixon of our time. Winning by default while the other party is in shambles.
 

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I think Trump has dominated a party for all the same reasons he'll be dominated in the real election. Because the radicalized right wing of the Republican Party has pushed out any form of moderate, and the Republican establishment hadn't put forward a worthwhile presidential candidate.

Hillary is coming in with the momentum of a freight train, as the presumptive 2016 nominee since 2008. She's practically an incumbent. Yeah, she had a hard fought primary with Sanders, but NY ended decisively. She comes out looking like a clear victor, Meanwhile the GOP primary will be fighting Trump tooth and nail possibly after the bell and through an excruciating convention. The GOP looks desperate, disorganized, and weak.

Pretty much all the problems that plagued the post Johnson democrats are in full display in the Republican Party, they're base is divided and they have no organizational control of their party. It's hijacked, and they're going to have lost every undecided voter with this pathetic sideshow.
I think this is more about what you want then actual reality. Hilary is a candidate that most people feel has been forced down their throat for two elections now and most Democrats wanted nothing to do with her. Not this freight train that you want her to be that will just roll the election.
 

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I think this is more about what you want then actual reality. Hilary is a candidate that most people feel has been forced down their throat for two elections now and most Democrats wanted nothing to do with her. Not this freight train that you want her to be that will just roll the election.
Don't get me wrong, she would have been beaten by a more charismatic candidate, but her primary process has been a lot easier on her than the sideshow has been on any Republican. Republicans have burned far more bridges than the primary polling has indicated. There's a reason why they call polite language "politically correct" because it protects politicians from alienating people. The GOP candidates have managed to alienate a lot of people.

If it's Trump he'll have no support from women or minorities, and waning support from staunch republicans and the religious right. If it's anyone but Trump, they'll stand to lose all of his supporters. Meanwhile Sanders and Hillary will kiss and make up. The millenials will suck it up and back a yellow dog to spite the GOP.

I'll bet you a nickel it's a blood bath.
 

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Keep in mind that Hillary is as much of a hawk as Lindsay Graham or John McCain. So I'd expect a lot of soft support from the Republican establishment, and enough dark money to outspend Trump 5 to 1.
 

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I think this is more about what you want then actual reality. Hilary is a candidate that most people feel has been forced down their throat for two elections now and most Democrats wanted nothing to do with her. Not this freight train that you want her to be that will just roll the election.
Then why is she leading in the popular democratic vote?

What you are saying is definitely not actual reality.

I agree she is not a freight train but she is also not what you are making her out to be.

I believe she has had more people vote for her than Trump.
 

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I believe she has had more people vote for her than Trump.
I mean my prediction would be that Hil beats Trump but like I said, I'm not going to write Trump off this time.

And I say that about Hilary and Democratic Supporters because I saw a socialist candidate push her to the limit. That alone should tell you how not on board the party is. I've seen the hate and disdain Dems have shown towards Hil during the primaries.

By the way, the debates are going to be really entertaining. Hilary gives Trump a lot of material. It's going to get really ugly.
 

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She's a greasy politician. Let's be real here. A total sell-out but that's par for the course with both of hear parties.
 

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Which is why I compared her to Richard Nixon.
Nixon was a gifted politician who went off track once he got power. Once you start covering your tracks and lying any man can really lose it. He finally spun out of control trying to control information at all cost. He want nutzo.
 
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You know what. This man puts his money where his mouth is. Right out of his own pocket. Who else in the entire history of Presidential candidates can say that?
John Oliver debunked this about 2 months ago.
 

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You know what. This man puts his money where his mouth is. Right out of his own pocket. Who else in the entire history of Presidential candidates can say that?
Off the top of my head? Steve Forbes
 

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You know what. This man puts his money where his mouth is. Right out of his own pocket. Who else in the entire history of Presidential candidates can say that?
LOL You know he does collect donations and spends it on the campaign. He has raised over 15 million in donations/Pac money and spent 35 mill of his own money. His campaign is also 35 million in debt

Besides his name recognition he has had unprecedented coverage from the National Media.

Name recognition and MSM exposure have more to do with his status in the race. He is a mess on Policy (he has none), or some altruistic idea he is funding his campaign himself which isn't true.
 

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Then why is she leading in the popular democratic vote?

What you are saying is definitely not actual reality.

I agree she is not a freight train but she is also not what you are making her out to be.

I believe she has had more people vote for her than Trump.
Trump had 12 people in the race with him at one time. Rubio and Bush are still getting votes.

Her campaign is weak and she is a weak candidate. She had every advantage going into this election and has struggled.

Almost all Super Delegate support from the moment she announced
Non Stop Media coverage far more than her opponent, second in the entire cycle to only Trump
She had the media saying she was the winner from Iowa on (because of prematurely adding in super delegate votes)
She has adopted much of her opponents rhetoric

This is like 2000, Democrats nominate a weak candidate and lose. Then proceed to blame others for their failure. Nader voters didn't lose 2000 for Gore, A weak candidate lost the election. 300k Democrats voted for Bush in Florida alone. Hell I did in PA.

Nominate a weak establishment candidate, even against a moron like Trump or either one of the other two idiots on the GOP side, and the Democrats will lose.
 
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