2016 POTUS Election Thread

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Smitty

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Keep in mind that Hillary is as much of a hawk as Lindsay Graham or John McCain. So I'd expect a lot of soft support from the Republican establishment, and enough dark money to outspend Trump 5 to 1.
Yeah, Trump has 0% chance.
 

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Nixon was a gifted politician who went off track once he got power. Once you start covering your tracks and lying any man can really lose it. He finally spun out of control trying to control information at all cost. He want nutzo.
Hillary was gifted too, no way some backwater governor with a history of infidelity and looming accusations of draft dodging becomes a two term president without Hillary at his side.

Also let's be clear Nixon sabotaged peace talks in Vietnam before he became president. Nothing Hillary had ever done comes close to the that.
 

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LOL You know he does collect donations and spends it on the campaign. He has raised over 15 million in donations/Pac money and spent 35 mill of his own money. His campaign is also 35 million in debt

Besides his name recognition he has had unprecedented coverage from the National Media.

Name recognition and MSM exposure have more to do with his status in the race. He is a mess on Policy (he has none), or some altruistic idea he is funding his campaign himself which isn't true.
Show me where this is true. He states he takes no donations so he will not be obligated to anyone. I don't need to debate the other stuff.
 

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Hillary was gifted too, no way some backwater governor with a history of infidelity and looming accusations of draft dodging becomes a two term president without Hillary at his side.

Also let's be clear Nixon sabotaged peace talks in Vietnam before he became president. Nothing Hillary had ever done comes close to the that.
Hillary is gifted in her own way but Nixon was pretty damn craft. He was a gifted leader of men that ended up getting twisted even more over time. He became so controlling that he lost his mind IMO

I'm not going to argue the level of corruptness between those two. That's asinine.
 

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Well that's real proof.
If you can't find proof of one of Donald Trump thousands of lies, then you're actively avoiding it. I don't feel inclined to show you proof that the world is round or that the sun is yellow either.
 

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Hillary is gifted in her own way but Nixon was pretty damn craft. He was a gifted leader of men that ended up getting twisted even more over time. He became so controlling that he lost his mind IMO

I'm not going to argue the level of corruptness between those two. That's asinine.
Yeah, I agree with that. I wouldn't be surprised if Hillary does the same thing, I thought you were saying Nixon wasn't corrupt before he took office.
 

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If you can't find proof of one of Donald Trump thousands of lies, then you're actively avoiding it. I don't feel inclined to show you proof that the world is round or that the sun is yellow either.
For once take a sensible approach to a statement. The issue I raised was about campaign funds and who supplied them. One poster stated he didn't fund his campaign and I asked him for proof. You supplied a statement saying he lies as proof. My good sir this isn't a statement of proof this is a personal sentiment of your feelings. I have already said I am not interested in a Trump debate. Stick with the issue of your proof about the campaign funds please because I am not interested in a debate about him.
 

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For once take a sensible approach to a statement. The issue I raised was about campaign funds and who supplied them. One poster stated he didn't fund his campaign and I asked him for proof. You supplied a statement saying he lies as proof. My good sir this isn't a statement of proof this is a personal sentiment of your feelings. I have already said I am not interested in a Trump debate. Stick with the issue of your proof about the campaign funds please because I am not interested in a debate about him.
 

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Thank you. Are there any numbers on this regarding the "donate" link?
 

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Based on what I have been able to find the majority of funds to his campaign has been from loans to himself via his other holdings. Maybe up to 7.5 million may have been donated by individuals through his web site. Nothing has been discovered about any lobbyist funding.
 

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I mean my prediction would be that Hil beats Trump but like I said, I'm not going to write Trump off this time.

And I say that about Hilary and Democratic Supporters because I saw a socialist candidate push her to the limit. That alone should tell you how not on board the party is. I've seen the hate and disdain Dems have shown towards Hil during the primaries.

By the way, the debates are going to be really entertaining. Hilary gives Trump a lot of material. It's going to get really ugly.
And still none of that is legitimate thinking because the majority of Democrats are voting for her and that number is rising.
 

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Trump had 12 people in the race with him at one time. Rubio and Bush are still getting votes.

Her campaign is weak and she is a weak candidate. She had every advantage going into this election and has struggled.

Almost all Super Delegate support from the moment she announced
Non Stop Media coverage far more than her opponent, second in the entire cycle to only Trump
She had the media saying she was the winner from Iowa on (because of prematurely adding in super delegate votes)
She has adopted much of her opponents rhetoric

This is like 2000, Democrats nominate a weak candidate and lose. Then proceed to blame others for their failure. Nader voters didn't lose 2000 for Gore, A weak candidate lost the election. 300k Democrats voted for Bush in Florida alone. Hell I did in PA.

Nominate a weak establishment candidate, even against a moron like Trump or either one of the other two idiots on the GOP side, and the Democrats will lose.
And none of that answers the question of why she is still leading the Democratic race in popular votes and regular delegates.

Trump does not have the support nationally of Bush, He had 30% of the Hispanic vote Trump will struggle to get 10%, Bush also had very positive numbers with Women, Trump is upside down by 70%.

Hillary is nobodies idea of a strong candidate but this idea being pushed that a mjority of voters just hate her is false, especially compared to Trump.

How do see the electorate working out for Trump win?

He will not even have the full backing of the Republican party.
 

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The interesting thing about Trump's donor list is the top name is John Powers Middleton. He produced Oldboy and the Lego Movie among other things.

He is also the son of Phillies owner John Middleton. As a Phillies fan, I don't love that association.

I imagine 2233 wants to throw up. :lol
 

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I think when Trump says he isn't taking donations and won't be beholden to anybody, he's talking about the super PACs and the like. Not Joe Citizen's 100 bucks or whatever.
 
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