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I just finished ep 8 of MaM and I'm fucking hot. How fucking incompetent are these judges? I hope that Kratz mfer gets ass cancer.
Easy, killer. Use some spoiler tags if you go much further.
 

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I'm really surprised at how many people are surprised by this case, this stuff happens a lot, especially in small towns where the police and prosecuters are so entwinned.

And the truly sad part is it's not always malicious it's more ego driven than anything.
Like I said, it becomes more about getting the conviction and winning then it is about actually finding the guilty party and putting them in jail.
 

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Two episodes into The Expanse. Pretty good so far. And a much more realistic look at our pathetic species future in a couple hundred years than some other brands.
 

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I had no desire to watch this, but the more I read about this and see the previews I think I might watch, Just to see how these actors perform as these people, some look kind of ridiculous.:lol

‘The People v. O.J. Simpson’: Going Beyond the Verdict
By DAVE ITZKOFFJAN. 12, 2016




More than 20 years after some 107 million people watched a Los Angeles jury announce that it had found O. J. Simpson not guilty of the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald L. Goldman, are television viewers ready to see it all again?

From the discovery of the murder scene at Ms. Simpson’s Brentwood home; to the nationwide broadcast of Mr. Simpson’s slow-speed highway flight in a white Ford Bronco; to a monthslong criminal trial, meticulously chronicled and analyzed on TV, these vividly remembered, not-too-distant events are re-enacted in a 10-episode FX mini-series, “The People v. O. J. Simpson: American Crime Story,” which has its debut on Feb. 2.

This biographical drama (adapted from Jeffrey Toobin’s book “The Run of His Life: The People v. O. J. Simpson”) features a high-wattage cast, including Cuba Gooding Jr. as Mr. Simpson; John Travolta and Courtney B. Vance as defense lawyers Robert L. Shapiro and Johnnie L. Cochran Jr.; Sarah Paulson as the prosecutor Marcia Clark; and David Schwimmer as the Simpson confidant Robert Kardashian.


Perhaps the most surprising participant in this series, which is planned as an anthology, is Ryan Murphy, an executive producer and a director, who is better known for the feel-good pop of “Glee” or the gory melodrama of “American Horror Story.”

Still, Mr. Murphy and his collaborators (who include the producers Nina Jacobson and Brad Simpson) say that the time is right to revisit the case, at a moment when the headlines bring daily dispatches of confrontations between white law enforcement officers and black civilians, and issues of race and police misconduct are as visible as ever.

“We had the opportunity to be part of a conversation that needed to be had,” Ms. Jacobson said. “While we were shooting, the drumbeat of that conversation just kept getting louder and louder and louder. We did feel a sense of purpose, to speak to a giant audience with a director who has an enormous following and access, and actors who have fans in every corner.”

In December, these members of the “American Crime Story” team gathered in New York for a conversation — sometimes lighthearted as they reflected on long months of collaboration; sometimes solemn as they contemplated the underlying subject matter — about the series and the questions it raises. These are edited excerpts from that conversation.

Q. Ryan, this is a project that’s very different from the TV work you’re known for. What made you want to tell this story?

RYAN MURPHY I had finished shooting “The Normal Heart,” which was notoriously difficult to get made. As soon as it was finished, I went into a little bit of a funk. I called my agent, and I said, “Send me the best television scripts that you have that are not getting made.” Nina and Brad had this O. J. Simpson project, based on the Toobin book, and I read the first two scripts. I just thought they were riveting and brilliantly written. It wasn’t at all what I thought it was going to be. It was a series about a violent incident that did not have violence in it. That was interesting to me and very smart.



BRAD SIMPSON The thing about Jeff’s book, it’s not about O. J.’s guilt or innocence. From this moment of the Bronco chase to the not-guilty verdict, Toobin had a real thesis, that the trial was about race from the very beginning.

Do you think there’s a potential for controversy because this series doesn’t take a position on Mr. Simpson’s guilt or innocence? Is there a risk in tying him to the civil-rights movement of the present day?


COURTNEY B. VANCE All that we can hope to do is to get people talking about it. Revisit it, to look at it. “Where were you when — ?” And what do you feel, in the context of what’s going on now? What do we do about it? That’s all I think we can hope to accomplish by revisiting this.

CUBA GOODING JR. “_____ tha Police,” remember that song? And remember how upset people were? They were like, “You’re going to have people go vigilante on cops.” I thought “Straight Outta Compton” was really a powerful tale, because it finally put into a movie why that song was so important. What that song did is it give an outlet to the frustrations we feel at police brutality. So instead of us going out and shooting cops in the street, you got to listen to that song, chant with that song. And then you were over it and you moved on with your day. That’s what we all want to do as actors and filmmakers. Give people something that happened, and let them dissect it.

What are your memories of how the events of the Simpson case intersected with your own lives?

GOODING
Sitting in my living room, watching the game, and that Bronco image shows up in the corner of the screen. You see this Bronco sitting in Brentwood, and I’m just waiting for the [makes gunshot noise], and for them to drag his body out of there. I’ll never forget that feeling. I thought, here’s this guy who’s one of the most celebrated athletes and entertainers, and he’s about to kill himself.

JOHN TRAVOLTA My father was a football player, so he was obsessed with this case. Most of my updates were through Dad. I was celebrating the “Pulp Fiction” success from the Cannes Film Festival. I was on this high of having a new career, I hoped, and then feeling this tragedy. The dichotomy was really wild.

VANCE I was shooting “Panther” in Sacramento. I grew up with the Juice, watching him. I’m a football fanatic. I didn’t want it to be true. I kind of tuned it out, while praying that it would turn out for the best. It was too much for me.

SARAH PAULSON I remember the moment with the glove, and what seemed to me, the very curious positioning of his hands and the way it was being done.

DAVID SCHWIMMER I was living in Los Angeles, and I remember watching the chase on television. In L.A., they were starting to interrupt programs to show high-speed chases from a helicopter. But suddenly, this event had much more impact on me. I was really upset by the crowds cheering. There was something about this moment that felt like the birth of reality television, and I found that really distasteful. I thought, Oh, this is a new chapter for us as a country.



How did you assemble this cast? Were actors hesitant because of the subject matter?

MURPHY I think the very first person we cast was Sarah. It was like: “O.K., Paulson’s going to be Marcia. Let’s get to work.” [Laughter] I don’t even think I offered it to you.

PAULSON You called me and said, “You’re doing it.” [Laughter] “Just read it first.”

GOODING Weeks before my agents told me that Ryan had a project, they said, “You’ve been offered this film that they’re making about O. J. Simpson.” Some billionaire guy. And it was an obscene amount of money. I know guys like this — they’ll keep throwing money at whatever we make, and if it doesn’t make it into the movie theaters, it’ll just be swept under the rug. So, after that experience, my agents go, “You’ll never believe the conversation we just had. Ryan Murphy wants you to do O. J. Simpson.” My response to them was, I’ll do anything Ryan wants to do. But what the [expletive] is going on with O.J. Simpson? [Laughter]

TRAVOLTA
When I knew it was between me and Faye Dunaway, I said, I want to win this role. [Laughter] It wasn’t an easy decision. How long did I take to tell you an answer? Four months? I was worried about the subject matter. I was worried it would be sensationalized. But I called probably four of the most powerful people in the industry, who will remain nameless. They all unanimously said I had to do this. It was not unlike my decision to do “Pulp Fiction.” I turned that down several times, because I was scared of the subject matter.

VANCE I’ve met Johnnie [Cochran], and I’ve met [Sylvia] Dale [Mason, his widow]. He was wonderful, and she’s an extraordinary lady. But I didn’t see myself as Johnnie at all, until I put that wig on. And then I said, Oh, my. You guys are smart.

SCHWIMMER I really had no idea who Robert was. Especially given what the Kardashian name means today. But really I thought this is an opportunity, given what’s been happening the last few years, to look back 20 years ago and see how starkly different the black experience and the white experience in America was.

Did anyone want to meet the real-life people they were playing?



NINA JACOBSON Initially we discouraged it. When you get to know a person, you feel an obligation to them. You know what their hopes and fears are for how they would be portrayed, and you have that in your head, that you owe it to them. And then they’re in there.

GOODING People ask me, did you go to prison to meet O. J.? No, I didn’t go meet him, because he’s a broken man, sitting in jail now, saying, “I’m innocent.” And I understand that — I have relatives in jail, and they’re in a desperate place. Even if they are guilty of certain things, they’ve convinced themselves that they’re the victim. So I don’t need that O. J. Simpson. I need the charismatic, good-looking athlete and movie star. That’s probably why I got cast. [Laughter] That’s the Simpson that I needed to give Ryan. Even though I know you want to know, because everybody comes to me: “What do you think? Do you think he did it?” But it’s none of your [expletive] business. Let me, as an actor, give him what he needs in the editing room. And then let’s talk.



Did you feel bound to recreate the courtroom scenes only as home viewers saw them? Could you take any artistic liberties?

TRAVOLTA I remember we were copiously going through the glove scene, because it was so specific — where we all were, and everybody’s reaction to him trying on the gloves.

GOODING We were in this [expletive] courtroom for six months. [Laughter] I was locked to that defense table.

TRAVOLTA You’d look over at Cuba, he was running out of this: [makes impassive O. J. Simpson face].

SIMPSON By the way, that’s what happened at the trial. These people were locked in this small courtroom. There were resentments; there were feuds; there were tears. It was a pressure cooker. Not that our set was exactly like that.

MURPHY There was craft service.


O.J. Simpson’s white Bronco during the chase in 1994. Credit Joseph R. Villarin/Associated Press
Are you hopeful that, in the two decades since the verdict was announced, viewers are willing to reconsider their perspectives on the case?

GOODING I started my career with “Boyz N the Hood,” and I remember when that movie opened, there were shootings in some theaters, and people were outraged. They were like, “How can you do this?” It really opened them up to what was going on in those inner-city communities that they didn’t realize. People could get shot for wearing certain colors. And as the 20 years moved on, not to say that violence is gone, but in those communities, they recognized how ignorant those acts of violence were. And they moved away from it. I want to hope there was real healing there.

TRAVOLTA And so much has evolved. When you see the rest of the shows, so much will be revealed that was not submitted in court. For instance, the totality of the [Mark] Fuhrman tapes [in which Mr. Fuhrman, a Los Angeles Police Department detective on the Simpson case, was heard using racial slurs].

VANCE Oh ho ho.

TRAVOLTA When you witness even the amount we were allowed to, you’ll be astonished.

GOODING Horrified.

Sarah, you’ve worked with Ryan on multiple seasons of “American Horror Story.” You’re O.K. that he can imagine you as a witch, conjoined twins and Marcia Clark?

MURPHY She is all those things. [Laughter]

PAULSON I’ll use a weird sports analogy, even though I’m not a sports aficionado. An actor can be an excellent actor, and be on the bench. If you don’t get to play on the field, nobody has any idea about what you can do. For whatever reason, Ryan continued to go, “I’m going to let you do this.” I just kept getting opportunities and chances from him. It gave me a different confidence, because I felt I had a big supporter who saw me in a way that I don’t think I even could see myself.

MURPHY I’m at a point in my career where I’m really just interested in cheerleading for people and projects I love. This was a project that I read it, like: This has to be made. These actors have to play these parts. And I want them to win.
 

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I have heard some good things about this OJ show. Jeffrey Toobin's book is a very interesting read and the show is largely based off of it.
 

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If you like the Airplane! and Naked Gun movies, there is a show on TBS called Angie Tribeca that is in the same vein.

TBS did a binge thing with it a few days ago. It's on their website.

It's not for everyone. If you didn't laugh at the stuff the Zucker Bros. used to put out, don't watch.
 

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The bite-sized binge

31 terrific TV shows you can finish in a weekend or less.
by Todd VanDerWerff, Jen Trolio, Alex Abad-Santos, and Dylan Matthews on January 22, 2016

The streaming revolution has made it easier than ever to catch up on your favorite TV shows. But sometimes you don't want a novel. Sometimes you want a short story, a series you can finish in a weekend, or a day, or even a lazy afternoon.

That's where we come in. We've combed the major streaming services to compile the following list of 31 terrific TV shows you can easily finish in a single day, even with breaks for eating, napping, or paying attention to your children. (We hear this is important.) Get watching.

Here is the full list.

http://www.vox.com/2015/7/3/8888171/netflix-good-tv-shows





BoJack Horseman

The premise of BoJack Horseman makes it sound like just another surrealist animated comedy on Adult Swim: The titular anthropomorphic horse (who's voiced by Will Arnett) starred on a family sitcom in the '90s but has since seen his career fall apart. Spurred on by his agent/ex-girlfriend, a Persian cat named Princess Carolyn (Amy Sedaris), he hires Diane (Alison Brie), a human ghostwriter, to pen his memoirs. But as the series progresses, it slowly reveals itself to be more than just odd for the sake of odd. BoJack is a huge jerk, but he also doubles as one of the most effective and accurate representations of depression on TV today. Series creator Raphael Bob-Waksberg, late of the fantastic pre-YouTube web comedy group Olde English, resists the urge to redeem BoJack by suddenly transforming him into a nice person, as tends to happen with comedic assholes. He forces the audience to understand BoJack as he is, rather than changing him until he's likable.

Genre: Animated comedy

Commitment: Two seasons of 12 half-hour-long episodes each (plus a Christmas special).

Streaming on: Netflix



Party Down


Centered on an LA-based catering company that employs all manner of aspiring actors, writers, and other "between engagements" Hollywood types, Party Down is the best kind of workplace comedy, in that it follows a less familiar profession and enjoys endless story possibilities since the titular catering company isn't confined to an office building. The series' gig-of-the-week structure consistently shifts its setting as the Party Down team sets out to work bar mitzvahs, fundraisers, birthday parties, and more. Throw in a stacked regular cast featuring Adam Scott, Lizzy Caplan, Kristen Bell, Jane Lynch, Ken Marino, and Megan Mullally — not to mention lots of funny guest stars who rotate through the show as catering clients — and you've got a pretty appetizing afternoon ahead of you.

Genre: Offbeat workplace comedy

Commitment: Two seasons, with 20 half-hour-long episodes total.

Streaming on: Hulu


Black Mirror


No show on television displays a better understanding of technology than Black Mirror. Because it's an anthology of one-off episodes, it feels a little like The Twilight Zone. But instead of telling eerie stories that touch on different facets of horror and science-fiction, Black Mirror is wrapped around one central theme: that our smartphones and computers — the "black mirrors" in our lives — will one day help destroy or enslave us. The series isn't very uplifting, but its stories are the kind you'll keep thinking about long after the binge is over.

Genre:
Science fiction

Commitment:
Two three-episode seasons, for a total of six hour-long episodes, plus a Christmas special.

Streaming on: Netflix

The Booth at the End


So there's a diner, see? And there's a man who sits in that diner, and if you go up to him and tell him what you want, he'll assign you a task to perform. And if you perform that task, you'll get what you want. Or so he says. That's the premise of this Twilight Zone–esque series, which unfolds entirely in the diner as the people the Man has asked to perform tasks seek him out, more and more desperate for what they want, while being unable (or unwilling) to perform what's requested of them. Add in Xander Berkeley as the Man, and you have a recipe for a coolly intriguing little show.

Genre: Fantastical morality play

Commitment: Two seasons of five half-hour-long episodes each. In the US, each season is currently available to rent as a single movie.

Available for paid download on: Amazon and iTunes


The Fall


The problem with most serial killer dramas is that they frequently fetishize, however inadvertently, the crimes their killers commit — especially if the victims are women. The excellent British series The Fall combats this trend by exposing the utter degeneracy of its killer's worldview, then contrasting it against the razor-sharp moral compass of its detective hero, Stella Gibson (the always terrific Gillian Anderson). If you're seeking a serial killer show that also serves as a treatise against society's ingrown sexism, The Fall is for you.

Genre: Serial killer drama

Commitment: Two seasons, with 11 hour-long episodes in total. Season three arrives later this year.

Streaming on: Netflix

Rectify


There simply isn't another show like Rectify. There just isn't. This beautiful, ruminative family drama focuses on a man convicted of the murder of his high school girlfriend who is released after 19 years on death row when new DNA evidence appears to exonerate him. The series never pushes too far when it can simply sit back and observe its characters in their milieu, but it's also a surprisingly rich, deeply complex series about how families define themselves when one of their members is absent, and about the limits of compassion. Plus, Aden Young is turning in one of TV's best performances — possibly in the history of the medium.

Genre: Family drama

Commitment: Three seasons, with 22 hour-long episodes in total. Only seasons one and two are currently available to stream. A fourth and final season will air later this year.

Streaming on: Netflix (seasons one and two only; season three is available for paid download on Amazon and iTunes)
 
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I dont want to quote all of jiggy's post, but I can vouch for Party Down. So good.
 

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I dont want to quote all of jiggy's post, but I can vouch for Party Down. So good.
I haven't seen The Fall or Rectify. The others are all great. The Booth at the End is really interesting. Don't want to give too much away, but pretty much like the review says, if you like the Twilight Zone you will probably like it.
 

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Mad Dogs on Amazon Prime appears interesting.

Glad to see that there is a lot of competition.

Sure beats how it was a decade ago with the networks putting out the same exact shit.
 

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I haven't seen The Fall or Rectify. The others are all great. The Booth at the End is really interesting. Don't want to give too much away, but pretty much like the review says, if you like the Twilight Zone you will probably like it.
Rectify is great, I am very interested in The Booth it sounds interesting.

I keep putting off The Fall but hear great things about it.
 

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Rectify is great, I am very interested in The Booth it sounds interesting.

I keep putting off The Fall but hear great things about it.
I need to sit down and commit to Rectify. I watched the first three episodes and haven't touched it for a few months.

It is not bad at all. Just a little slow moving, which is probably why I didn't keep going.
 

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I need to sit down and commit to Rectify. I watched the first three episodes and haven't touched it for a few months.

It is not bad at all. Just a little slow moving, which is probably why I didn't keep going.
Yeah you need to be committed because the pace does not change much.

The tension gets higher over the last 2 episodes of season 1 and Season 2 is just great all around but the ending really lands.
 

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Yeah you need to be committed because the pace does not change much.

The tension gets higher over the last 2 episodes of season 1 and Season 2 is just great all around but the ending really lands.
Good show. Read that Season 4 will be the last one, though.
 

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Good show. Read that Season 4 will be the last one, though.
It needs to end, I would have been ok with it being over after the last season.

I guess they need to solve the murder but I kind of like that answer to be muddled like it currently is.

I kinda think He did kill her out of pity.
 
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