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Cowboysrock55

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I think you're oversimplifying things. As a libertarian you probably recognize the folly of the Iraq war, and that it was caused by the incestuous relationship between corporations and government right?

You probably opposed the wall street bailouts where the government gave a bunch of banks that caused the economic crash huge sums of money, our money (your money), tax payer money, drooling dumbshit 99% money of the unwashed masses to save them.

I'm sure you've heard of the hundreds of companies who've gone out of their way to create loopholes to prevent them from paying taxes despite having incredible profits.
I agree with all of this. Any Libertarian would. But listen to a Bernie speech. It's all about free healthcare, free college, free this and free that. And when asked how he will pay for all of his additional spending? He says it will come from the 1 percent. I acknowledge when Bernie does good things. But everything he believes about economics is a total disaster.

I want smaller government. Because Government only knows how to makes things worse and less efficient. Bernie wants a gigantic government.

You said "there are absolutely massive corporations growing like cancers and doing their best to undermine the public good in the name of profit," and I would say the biggest offender of this is our bloated government.
 

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I mean it's not a bad strategy. He is basically painting 1 percent of the population as devils in an attempt to pander to the other 99%. This of course appeals to the people who want more free shit because someone else is going to foot the bill. The problem is he has no idea how an economy works and what making that 1 percent pay for everything would really do to an economy.
It's the same thing Obama did the last two elections. The evil 1 or 2% needing to pay 'their fair share' and the bottom 50% eats it up as if the top 2% don't already pay the bulk of the taxes. Not to mention it's only a campaign ploy when in reality the middle class gets hammered.
 

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It's the same thing Obama did the last two elections. The evil 1 or 2% needing to pay 'their fair share' and the bottom 50% eats it up as if the top 2% don't already pay the bulk of the taxes. Not to mention it's only a campaign ploy when in reality the middle class gets hammered.
It's funny that no one, including Republicans, ever ask the question "What are you doing with all the money you already take?".
 

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I agree with all of this. Any Libertarian would. But listen to a Bernie speech. It's all about free healthcare, free college, free this and free that. And when asked how he will pay for all of his additional spending? He says it will come from the 1 percent. I acknowledge when Bernie does good things. But everything he believes about economics is a total disaster.

I want smaller government. Because Government only knows how to makes things worse and less efficient. Bernie wants a gigantic government.

You said "there are absolutely massive corporations growing like cancers and doing their best to undermine the public good in the name of profit," and I would say the biggest offender of this is our bloated government.
I agree with almost everything you've said. Bernie's giveaways are silly at best. Free college and such seems completely unachievable. I think his colleagues will take the same view for the most part. At least I hope.

However, you can't dismantle the government with corporations at the size that they are. We've allowed them to grow to big and control the political system. The only guy who's talking about taking control of our government away from the highest bidder is Sanders.

The only guy talking about breaking up the banks that tanked our economy because they were gambling with house money and rolled snake eyes, is Sanders.

The only person running for president (apart from Paul who has been pushed out of the republican presidential race, for this exact reason) who opposed the war in Iraq, and would definitely oppose a sequel in Iran, is Sanders.

The only guy (besides Rand) who wants to audit the Fed, is Sanders.

The guy (apart from Rand) making the most noise about our broken criminal justice system is Sanders.

Now I don't expect to change anyone's mind, but don't insult my intelligence by thinking that I'm out for free shit, or subscribe to the doctrine of socialism. But I'd rather have a kookie but ethical president facing an uphill battle of free healthcare than a Republican (or possibly Hillary) racing downhill with the wind at their back (and plenty of corporate cash) for the next 6 trillion dollar war.
 

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I agree with almost everything you've said. Bernie's giveaways are silly at best. Free college and such seems completely unachievable. I think his colleagues will take the same view for the most part. At least I hope.

However, you can't dismantle the government with corporations at the size that they are. We've allowed them to grow to big and control the political system. The only guy who's talking about taking control of our government away from the highest bidder is Sanders.

The only guy talking about breaking up the banks that tanked our economy because they were gambling with house money and rolled snake eyes, is Sanders.

The only person running for president (apart from Paul who has been pushed out of the republican presidential race, for this exact reason) who opposed the war in Iraq, and would definitely oppose a sequel in Iran, is Sanders.

The only guy (besides Rand) who wants to audit the Fed, is Sanders.

The guy (apart from Rand) making the most noise about our broken criminal justice system is Sanders.

Now I don't expect to change anyone's mind, but don't insult my intelligence by thinking that I'm out for free shit, or subscribe to the doctrine of socialism. But I'd rather have a kookie but ethical president facing an uphill battle of free healthcare than a Republican (or possibly Hillary) racing downhill with the wind at their back (and plenty of corporate cash) for the next 6 trillion dollar war.
As I have said, I will vote for anyone but Clinton. She is the absolute last candidate I will consider.
 

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As I have said, I will vote for anyone but Clinton. She is the absolute last candidate I will consider.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Hillary Clinton and Ted Cruz are the same people. Both Ivy League educated lawyers who change their platforms on a daily basis to match the feel of the room. If Cruz had been running for Senator in California he'd been all about marriage equality and weed. If Hillary had had a penis she'd have been a Republican.
 

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Maybe, but at least he's not a born lying entitled witch like Hillary or a socialist who wants people to pay 90% like Sanders.
Are you really sure about that?

Look at his history before he latched onto the Tea party he was a Bush republican.
 

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The way some people feel about Hilary is how I'm starting to feel about Ted Cruz. Last.motherfucker.on.Earth.I'd.vote.for.
 

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He's already said he'd have no problem raising the top tax rate to 90%.



Playing for different teams...and the fact Cruz is far more conservative and has far more integrity.
No he hasn't, Donald Trump has said that, but not Bernie.
 

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No he hasn't, Donald Trump has said that, but not Bernie.

The remarks clarified a question raised by statements he made earlier in the campaign. In an interview with CNBC’s John Harwood, he said that he didn’t think a top rate of 90 percent would be too high, also citing the fact that it was around that level under Eisenhower. Indeed, it was 92 percent in the 1950s, but since the 80s it has fallen far below that.


I think you may be the misinformed person. I've actually seen this interview. I can probably find it if you would like.
 

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I agree with all of this. Any Libertarian would. But listen to a Bernie speech. It's all about free healthcare, free college, free this and free that. And when asked how he will pay for all of his additional spending? He says it will come from the 1 percent. I acknowledge when Bernie does good things. But everything he believes about economics is a total disaster.

I want smaller government. Because Government only knows how to makes things worse and less efficient. Bernie wants a gigantic government.

You said "there are absolutely massive corporations growing like cancers and doing their best to undermine the public good in the name of profit," and I would say the biggest offender of this is our bloated government.
You're thinking of Hillary. That is her answer for everything.

Healthcare is a payroll tax, that will substantially reduce the healthcare costs for workers and employers. I checked out the numbers it saves my family over 2600 a year without including deductibles and copays.

Free College is a fraction of a percent tax on Wall Street Speculations.

Bernie wants government that works for the country, not corporations and billionaires like it does now.
 

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The remarks clarified a question raised by statements he made earlier in the campaign. In an interview with CNBC’s John Harwood, he said that he didn’t think a top rate of 90 percent would be too high, also citing the fact that it was around that level under Eisenhower. Indeed, it was 92 percent in the 1950s, but since the 80s it has fallen far below that.


I think you may be the misinformed person. I've actually seen this interview. I can probably find it if you would like.
He said in the second debate that he wasn't going to raise the top end to 90%. That quote doesn't state that he advocated for a 90% rate either, just that he didn't think that was too high.
 

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He said in the second debate that he wasn't going to raise the top end to 90%. That quote doesn't state that he advocated for a 90% rate either, just that he didn't think that was too high.
Yes, which is the same as stating he has no problem raising the tax rate to 90%. Now during the second debate he has changed his tune. But that doesn't mean he hasn't said it.

I've listen to all of his debates and everything Bernie has said. He clearly wants a bigger government and increased taxes. The people who like him just hear free free free. But yes, raising taxes will have a chilling effect on the economy. So would a $15.00 minimum wage :lol.
 

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Yes, which is the same as stating he has no problem raising the tax rate to 90%. Now during the second debate he has changed his tune. But that doesn't mean he hasn't said it.

I've listen to all of his debates and everything Bernie has said. He clearly wants a bigger government and increased taxes. The people who like him just hear free free free. But yes, raising taxes will have a chilling effect on the economy. So would a $15.00 minimum wage :lol.
The "free free free" thing is the equivalent of Republicans/Libertarians "hating the poor." Highly reductive.
 
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