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Been saying it for a while now bros.
As long as Wentz performs reasonably well at the Senior Bowl I would say it's to the point where there is no talk of "trading down to 10 or so and taking Wentz" and there certainly should be no more talk ever of taking him in the 2nd, or even trading back into the late 1st for him. If we want him, we take him at 4, end of story.
As for the Browns potentially taking him, it's possible of course, but I think Goff is more like Palmer than Wentz is in terms of being a polished pocket QB coming out and it's very easy to reason that the Browns go after the guy who is more ready to step in right now, with that being Goff. But even if they do take Wentz (which I could definitely see because of his arm strength when you consider the weather in Cleveland, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh and Baltimore) I would be perfectly happy to end up with Goff.
As long as Wentz performs reasonably well at the Senior Bowl I would say it's to the point where there is no talk of "trading down to 10 or so and taking Wentz" and there certainly should be no more talk ever of taking him in the 2nd, or even trading back into the late 1st for him. If we want him, we take him at 4, end of story.
As for the Browns potentially taking him, it's possible of course, but I think Goff is more like Palmer than Wentz is in terms of being a polished pocket QB coming out and it's very easy to reason that the Browns go after the guy who is more ready to step in right now, with that being Goff. But even if they do take Wentz (which I could definitely see because of his arm strength when you consider the weather in Cleveland, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh and Baltimore) I would be perfectly happy to end up with Goff.
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Yeah, I'm not too worried. I think we will have 2 of the QBs to pick from and I'd be thrilled with Goff or Wentz. I think Goff is the most polished passer in this draft. Just in terms of accuracy, ball placement and consistency. From what I have seen Lynch is starting to look more like the third QB. The offense they ran at Memphis is just a little goofy. It's a ton of WR screens and receivers running hook routes. When I've watched some of those film breakdowns of him he just makes me a little more nervous then the other guys.
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Agreed on Lynch. He definitely has the physical tools but the offense he ran was extremely basic and difficult to project. Of course it's the coaching staff's job to look at those physical traits, combined with his mental makeup, and decide whether or not they can integrate him into an NFL offense.
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Do all you realize how unbearable [MENTION=14]NoDak[/MENTION] is going to be if they take Wentz and he turns into what we all hope he can be...?
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If he turns out to be what we hope I will gladly let NoDak celebrate.
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Yeah the draft could get nerve-wracking with the potential of a team moving up to 2 or 3 for a QB. Chip Kelly is so unpredictable though. We all thought there was no way he would go with Bradford. And yet there is was, failing miserably with a below average pocket passing QB.
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Here's to hoping he goes after Manziel.
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You shut yer mouth. Manziel would be great for them.
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As the draft process goes on and Wentz continues to gain momentum, especially if he has a good Senior Bowl, I could definitely see a bunch of our fans turning into panic monkeys about the potential of a team trading up in front of us to grab Wentz, which I find very unlikely.
First, the 49ers have a complete shit roster and a QB who actually allows Kelly to run a true read option, it would truly shock me if they trade a boat load of picks to move up when it's almost guaranteed that either Lynch or Wentz will be there at 7.
The next highest team that needs a QB is the Bears, and the price to move from 11 to 1 or 3 will be absolutely astronomical, so much so that I just can't see it happening, and the price will only continue to rise as you move down the draft order.
And even if some team trades up for a QB and both Wentz and Goff are gone in the top 3, in all likelihood we are left with Bosa because I don't see a 3-4 team with a very poor OL (both the Titans and Chargers) taking a somewhat questionable fit in Bosa over Tunsil or Stanley. So basically, either Bosa, Goff or Wentz will be there at 4, which is fine by me.
First, the 49ers have a complete shit roster and a QB who actually allows Kelly to run a true read option, it would truly shock me if they trade a boat load of picks to move up when it's almost guaranteed that either Lynch or Wentz will be there at 7.
The next highest team that needs a QB is the Bears, and the price to move from 11 to 1 or 3 will be absolutely astronomical, so much so that I just can't see it happening, and the price will only continue to rise as you move down the draft order.
And even if some team trades up for a QB and both Wentz and Goff are gone in the top 3, in all likelihood we are left with Bosa because I don't see a 3-4 team with a very poor OL (both the Titans and Chargers) taking a somewhat questionable fit in Bosa over Tunsil or Stanley. So basically, either Bosa, Goff or Wentz will be there at 4, which is fine by me.
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Unless someone jumps us and offers the Chargers a deal, I find it hard to see if we don't have a pick between the top 2 QBs.
Now whether we don't bother is another story.
We have done this kind of shit before. Steven Jackson was a hell of a case study. Oh, they are all about the same.
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[h=1]Bob Sturm's 2016 NFL Draft Profile Series: Joey Bosa, DE, Ohio State[/h]
By Bob Sturm, Special contributor Contact Bob Sturmon Twitter:@SportsSturm
I have never been a scout or a NFL General Manager, but I am willing to watch a ton of football. By watching about 200 snaps of each prospect, we can really get a feel for a player and then know what we are talking about a bit better. It is no exact science, but the NFL hasn't quite figured out drafting either, so we are going to do the best we can.To read more about the 2016 NFL Draft Project, Click Here.
Joey Bosa, DE, Ohio State - 6'6, 275 - Junior - #97
Every draft has its household names that are repeated time and time again for a full year before April arrives and we finally find out if we can believe the hype that has been bestowed on a few players all along. Their names are often used in the title of the year, such as, "2016 was the Joey Bosa Draft."
The formula for such a phenomenon is when a fantastic program produces a fantastic prospect and then he is on full display all year long. Everyone who cares about this process knows who Bosa is and what makes him one of the top prospects, so it does color your perception in a study like this. Sometimes, I prefer to know very little about a player when the tape comes on. But, with Bosa, you know so much that you cannot help but have a very high bar of expectations which can often work against a player.
That said, Bosa is a legitimate game wrecker. He has everything you look for in a 1st rounder at DE. Does he have 10 sack potential in the NFL with an array of moves along with attributes that offer power and speed? Yes. Does he also answer the bell on running plays? Absolutely. The question is whether he is very good or elite at the next level. That is the difference in expectations when choosing between #1 overall and #25 overall.
What I liked: Bosa checks the boxes repeatedly as you go down the list. When I am watching a defensive end, I start with the idea that he has both the conditioning and the motor to fight relentlessly on every play. There are almost no great players at this position that do not possess the tireless motor. Bosa gets triple teamed at times and yet keeps fighting. If you are going to get attention, it better be clear that you are willing to fight any battle thrown at you all day long - regardless of the score. I really like Bosa in this regard and it might be my favorite part of his game. Now, there are a lot of "try hard" guys who do not run like linebackers, so that is where Bosa leaves those guys in the dust. He is 275, with a chance to add 10 or 15 more, yet runs like a linebacker off the edge. He has fantastic hands and arms in his technique. Flawless, really, with his ability to put quick moves on linemen, or push them back with a fork lifting bull rush. He is so good against the run that in the 4 games I watched for this report, I don't think teams ran in his direction hardly at all. This, of course, is the opposite of what happens to elite pass rushers - usually, the opponent tries to slow them down by running right at him. What if this guy is great at stopping the run and can get 10 sacks? It appears the tools and the "want" are there.
What I did not like: The questions with Bosa are going to be whether he is good or great at rushing off the edge. There are many great college rushers who stall out at 6 or 7 sacks at the next level and those guys are useful, but you would never want to spend a pick at the top of the 1st round on them. He does get locked up on some blocks at times that take him out of the play, but I would not call this abnormal. He also converts well from power to speed on his moves, but sometimes that comes close to causing balance issues. He does stumble out of a few moves that might otherwise be sacks. He flirts with targeting or unnecessary roughness penalties, which some might see as a negative but others might not mind at all (mean streak). He also has a chance to be a guy who routinely gets offside penalties trying to jump the snap. And, it should be mentioned, he missed the season opener for a suspension by his program in which the details remain fuzzy.
Summary and Potential Fit For the Cowboys: This guy could be exactly what the Cowboys desire to fit on the end where they currently employ Greg Hardy. You need a run stopping defensive end to counter-balance the smaller edge rushers in DeMarcus Lawrence and Randy Gregory, so when it comes to whether the Cowboys could use him, the answer is a resounding "yes".
I am not sure I would spend a top 5 pick to address that situation when there are other spots I might desire more, but I do see a fair amount of Jared Allen in Bosa's game which should excite anyone if he ever ends up leading the NFL in sacks multiple times (like Allen).
He is what people have said he is. He is a fantastic defensive front guy who will make plays and turn games with physical talents and relentless battle. He has room to develop and he is just 20 years old. It appears we can believe the hype when it comes to Joey Bosa. He is that good.
You can view plenty of his tape here at Draftbreakdown.com.
By Bob Sturm, Special contributor Contact Bob Sturmon Twitter:@SportsSturm
I have never been a scout or a NFL General Manager, but I am willing to watch a ton of football. By watching about 200 snaps of each prospect, we can really get a feel for a player and then know what we are talking about a bit better. It is no exact science, but the NFL hasn't quite figured out drafting either, so we are going to do the best we can.To read more about the 2016 NFL Draft Project, Click Here.
Joey Bosa, DE, Ohio State - 6'6, 275 - Junior - #97
Every draft has its household names that are repeated time and time again for a full year before April arrives and we finally find out if we can believe the hype that has been bestowed on a few players all along. Their names are often used in the title of the year, such as, "2016 was the Joey Bosa Draft."
The formula for such a phenomenon is when a fantastic program produces a fantastic prospect and then he is on full display all year long. Everyone who cares about this process knows who Bosa is and what makes him one of the top prospects, so it does color your perception in a study like this. Sometimes, I prefer to know very little about a player when the tape comes on. But, with Bosa, you know so much that you cannot help but have a very high bar of expectations which can often work against a player.
That said, Bosa is a legitimate game wrecker. He has everything you look for in a 1st rounder at DE. Does he have 10 sack potential in the NFL with an array of moves along with attributes that offer power and speed? Yes. Does he also answer the bell on running plays? Absolutely. The question is whether he is very good or elite at the next level. That is the difference in expectations when choosing between #1 overall and #25 overall.
What I liked: Bosa checks the boxes repeatedly as you go down the list. When I am watching a defensive end, I start with the idea that he has both the conditioning and the motor to fight relentlessly on every play. There are almost no great players at this position that do not possess the tireless motor. Bosa gets triple teamed at times and yet keeps fighting. If you are going to get attention, it better be clear that you are willing to fight any battle thrown at you all day long - regardless of the score. I really like Bosa in this regard and it might be my favorite part of his game. Now, there are a lot of "try hard" guys who do not run like linebackers, so that is where Bosa leaves those guys in the dust. He is 275, with a chance to add 10 or 15 more, yet runs like a linebacker off the edge. He has fantastic hands and arms in his technique. Flawless, really, with his ability to put quick moves on linemen, or push them back with a fork lifting bull rush. He is so good against the run that in the 4 games I watched for this report, I don't think teams ran in his direction hardly at all. This, of course, is the opposite of what happens to elite pass rushers - usually, the opponent tries to slow them down by running right at him. What if this guy is great at stopping the run and can get 10 sacks? It appears the tools and the "want" are there.
What I did not like: The questions with Bosa are going to be whether he is good or great at rushing off the edge. There are many great college rushers who stall out at 6 or 7 sacks at the next level and those guys are useful, but you would never want to spend a pick at the top of the 1st round on them. He does get locked up on some blocks at times that take him out of the play, but I would not call this abnormal. He also converts well from power to speed on his moves, but sometimes that comes close to causing balance issues. He does stumble out of a few moves that might otherwise be sacks. He flirts with targeting or unnecessary roughness penalties, which some might see as a negative but others might not mind at all (mean streak). He also has a chance to be a guy who routinely gets offside penalties trying to jump the snap. And, it should be mentioned, he missed the season opener for a suspension by his program in which the details remain fuzzy.
Summary and Potential Fit For the Cowboys: This guy could be exactly what the Cowboys desire to fit on the end where they currently employ Greg Hardy. You need a run stopping defensive end to counter-balance the smaller edge rushers in DeMarcus Lawrence and Randy Gregory, so when it comes to whether the Cowboys could use him, the answer is a resounding "yes".
I am not sure I would spend a top 5 pick to address that situation when there are other spots I might desire more, but I do see a fair amount of Jared Allen in Bosa's game which should excite anyone if he ever ends up leading the NFL in sacks multiple times (like Allen).
He is what people have said he is. He is a fantastic defensive front guy who will make plays and turn games with physical talents and relentless battle. He has room to develop and he is just 20 years old. It appears we can believe the hype when it comes to Joey Bosa. He is that good.
You can view plenty of his tape here at Draftbreakdown.com.
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Absolutely. Watching him get triple-teamed and him still beating the block is impressive to say the least.
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Especially one who doesn't really have the elite quickness or speed to be a dominant edge rusher.
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Tunsil is the closest thing to a sure bet in this draft yet you want no parts of him and Bosa is #2 , what are you looking to get out of this draft?
Everybody in the top 5 has question marks and we all know the bust factors with QB's, this is a roll of the dice draft but Bosa and Tunsil have the lowest floor you can reasonly exspect to get a above average starter for a long number of years.
If you are scared of Bosa you should be petrified about any of the QB's and I am all on board with taking a QB at 4.