Boy Scouts, Reversing Century-Old Stance, Will Allow Transgender Boys

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Boy Scouts, Reversing Century-Old Stance, Will Allow Transgender Boys


By NIRAJ CHOKSHIJAN. 30, 2017


Reversing its stance of more than a century, the Boy Scouts of America said on Monday that the group would begin accepting members based on the gender listed on their application, paving the way for transgender boys to join the organization.

“For more than 100 years, the Boy Scouts of America, along with schools, youth sports and other youth organizations, have ultimately deferred to the information on an individual’s birth certificate to determine eligibility for our single-gender programs,” the group said in a statement on its website. “However, that approach is no longer sufficient as communities and state laws are interpreting gender identity differently, and these laws vary widely from state to state.”

The announcement, reported on Monday night by The Associated Press, reverses a policy that drew controversy late last year when a transgender boy in New Jersey was kicked out of the organization about a month after joining.

“After weeks of significant conversations at all levels of our organization, we realized that referring to birth certificates as the reference point is no longer sufficient,” Michael Surbaugh, the Scouts’ chief executive, said in a recorded statement on Monday.

The announcement came amid a national debate over transgender rights, with cities and states across the nation struggling with whether and how to regulate gender identity in the workplace, in restrooms and at schools.

In recent years, the Boy Scouts of America has expanded rights for gay people. In 2013, the group ended its ban on openly gay youths participating in its activities. Two years later, the organization ended its ban on openly gay adult leaders.

Advocates for gay and transgender people who had pushed for changes in Boy Scouts’ policy praised Monday’s announcement.

“From our perspective, they clearly did the right thing,” said Zach Wahls, who co-founded Scouts for Equality, a nonprofit group that advocates for stronger protections in the organization for gays and transgender people. “My team and I knew that they were considering a policy change, but we are both heartened and surprised by how quickly they moved to change the situation.”


BSA Announcement from Chief Scout Executive Michael Surbaugh Video by BSA Communications

Last year, in response to parent complaints, the Boy Scouts of America removed an 8-year-old transgender boy from the Secaucus, N.J., Cub Scout pack he had joined just about a month earlier, according to The Record, a newspaper in northern New Jersey.

“It made me mad,” Joe Maldonado, the boy, told the newspaper. “I had a sad face, but I wasn’t crying. I’m way more angry than sad. My identity is a boy. If I was them, I would let every person in the world go in. It’s right to do.”

Joe’s case may have been the first in which a transgender boy was ejected from the program, Mr. Wahls, a former Eagle Scout, said.

When Mr. Wahls helped found Scouts for Equality in 2012, the Boy Scouts of America did not yet allow gay scouts or leaders, and “there was zero conversation about transgender issues.”

While he was encouraged by what appeared to be the group’s quick decision on accepting transgender scouts, Scouts for Equality plans to push for a more formal policy, Mr. Wahls said.

“We want to make sure that they work with experts who have experience with transgender youth and youth programs,” he said.

The Boy Scouts of America claim nearly 2.3 million members between the ages of 7 and 21, and the group counts many notable figures among its alumni and volunteers.

One of them, Rex W. Tillerson, President Trump’s nominee for secretary of state, was involved in getting the organization to accept gay scouts and leaders. He was the national president of the Boy Scouts of America from 2010 to 2011 and served on its executive board in 2013 when it voted to lift the ban on gay scouts.

That decision came after years of reluctance from the organization and a wrenching internal debate that involved threats from some conservative parents and volunteers that they would quit. When the ban on gay leaders was reversed in 2015, the Mormon Church, the largest sponsor of scouting units, briefly threatened to leave the group as well.
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How the fuck does an eight year old know what gender they "identify" with?

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To me any parent who has a child who is 6, 7 or 8 years old and is claiming their child is trans gendered is probably pushing an issue on their child. And no just because a kid wants to play with barbies instead of GI Joes does not make him trans.

On another note, my god the outrage over this is crazy. People claiming that they won't let their kids in boyscouts now. I mean give me a break, I doubt most groups would even have a trans gendered child in the pack or whatever it is called. So you're not going to let your child do boyscouts because some little girl hours away is participating and dressed up like a boy? Such self righteous bullshit.
 

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I think I'm just going to sit this one out.
 

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To me any parent who has a child who is 6, 7 or 8 years old and is claiming their child is trans gendered is probably pushing an issue on their child. And no just because a kid wants to play with barbies instead of GI Joes does not make him trans.

On another note, my god the outrage over this is crazy. People claiming that they won't let their kids in boyscouts now. I mean give me a break, I doubt most groups would even have a trans gendered child in the pack or whatever it is called. So you're not going to let your child do boyscouts because some little girl hours away is participating and dressed up like a boy? Such self righteous bullshit.
I agree.

An eight year old kid shouldn't even be bothered with a concept of sexual identity.
 

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I'm torn on this one in some ways. The organization is supposed to support Christian principals so them opening the podium to gay leaders is not exactly a mix. On the other hand, I would never have my kids be involved in boycotting because sexual orientation shouldn't even be a subject at that point.

Often parents are looking for a traditionally masculine, values driven place for their boys to learn about being a manly things, so I have no problem with making the choice to withdraw their kids from this group. It is actually ok for parents to make choices to have their kids involved with whatever reflects their values.
 

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I'm torn on this one in some ways. The organization is supposed to support Christian principals so them opening the podium to gay leaders is not exactly a mix. On the other hand, I would never have my kids be involved in boycotting because sexual orientation shouldn't even be a subject at that point.

Often parents are looking for a traditionally masculine, values driven place for their boys to learn about being a manly things, so I have no problem with making the choice to withdraw their kids from this group. It is actually ok for parents to make choices to have their kids involved with whatever reflects their values.
Ummmm no one said anything about gay. We are talking about transgendered people...
 

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Ummmm no one said anything about gay. We are talking about transgendered people...
Ah heck, I don't even know man.

All I'm saying is that if people want to remove their kids then so be it. It isn't a big deal.
 

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Ah heck, I don't even know man.

All I'm saying is that if people want to remove their kids then so be it. It isn't a big deal.
I think that would be silly unless there actually is a transgender in their pack or den. It's not like the cub scouts are preaching about transgender acceptance. I mean from what I remember scouts was about camping out and doing guy stuff, mixed with some community service.

People can do what they want, I just think it's baseless. But then again I also don't believe in 8 year old transgenders.
 

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I think that would be silly unless there actually is a transgender in their pack or den. It's not like the cub scouts are preaching about transgender acceptance. I mean from what I remember scouts was about camping out and doing guy stuff, mixed with some community service.

People can do what they want, I just think it's baseless. But then again I also don't believe in 8 year old transgenders.
It is a private youth group with close ties to fundamental religious beliefs. Many feel comfortable sending their kids there because of that. If that is no longer the case then I don't see the problem with it.

On the other hand, we live in an outrage society where all sides love to get up in arms over every single issue that comes up. It is very tiring.
 

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Some of it has to do with the simple idea of putting your support with organizations that align with your personal beliefs. If the Scouts don't, then find a similar organization that does and send your kids there. There are other scouting type groups that have come along ever since the Scouts changed their policy on homosexuals. And I agree with what was said before. If an 8 year old has any idea about their gender identity, it was pushed on them by parents. That's ridiculous.
 

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Some of it has to do with the simple idea of putting your support with organizations that align with your personal beliefs. If the Scouts don't, then find a similar organization that does and send your kids there. There are other scouting type groups that have come along ever since the Scouts changed their policy on homosexuals. And I agree with what was said before. If an 8 year old has any idea about their gender identity, it was pushed on them by parents. That's ridiculous.
That isn't allowed these days. We must all think alike or else we are horrible people.
 

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No, get it right. YOu must think and agree with liberal theology or else you are racist, xenophobic, homophobic and any other type of phobic non-liberals are painting others with. Amazing how they believe in tolerance until it disagrees with their ideas.
 

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No, get it right. YOu must think and agree with liberal theology or else you are racist, xenophobic, homophobic and any other type of phobic non-liberals are painting others with. Amazing how they believe in tolerance until it disagrees with their ideas.
It isn't just liberals anymore...it is an entire generation and a growing view among all groups. I'm good with all of it as long as we can all learn to live and let live.
 

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No, get it right. YOu must think and agree with liberal theology or else you are racist, xenophobic, homophobic and any other type of phobic non-liberals are painting others with. Amazing how they believe in tolerance until it disagrees with their ideas.
This is true.
 

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So liberals are intolerant because of their intolerance for intolerance...?:unsure
 

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So liberals are intolerant because of their intolerance for intolerance...?:unsure
If you constantly shift the definition of tolerance, then treat someone who doesn't immediately accept the new definition as some kind of backwards nazi ogre, then you are intolerant.
 
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