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Except its not. The country is moving left, because the right wing is broken. Because the non-liberal political wing is so toxic, a lifelong Democrat has been firmly in control of the presidential primary, just because he's willing to say the most ignorant shit imaginable.

Because when the Democrats chose Carter over Wallace, his odious constituents were welcomed to the Republican party with open arms, and have ruined the party from within.
The reason Trump and Cruz lead in the primaries is because voters voted in the GOP in the mid-terms in 2010 and 2014 to combat the liberal Obama, Pelosi, Reid agenda. Instead the core GOP basically capitulated, compromised and caved at every turn.

The Trump phenomena is due to so many R's fed up with the establishment R's for reneging on their promises over the last 6 years and basically handing Obama whatever he wants. So these Trump supporters are more about protesting against the establishment and supporter the outsider candidate. The problem is it's totally misguided though because Trump is actually more to the left on most issues than the establishment GOP these people are mad at. But he rarely talks policy other than immigration. Most of his campaign is empty political rhetoric and catchy slogans while feeding off the anger of the masses against the media and GOP.

At least with Cruz, he is an actual conservative and has risen because like Trump, his viewed as being outside the moderate GOP establishment. He has taken on the moderate leaders like Boehner and McConnell as much as he has the lefties like Reid, Pelosi and Obama.

This entire GOP primary season has been Trump, Cruz, Carson, etc which all have one thing in common, anti-GOP establishment. Hopefully when it's said and done it'll solidify around the actual conservative.


The reason why the nation is moving left, is because much like 19 year old college girls, Republicans have been hiding within a "safe space". Because at some point republicans receded to the comfort of an echo chamber, and have become content to sooth themselves rather than change philosophies. Somehow they think their religion, their God, their way of life is under attack all the time, whenever it's questioned.

Shielding your beliefs from new eyes and new interpretations is the surest way to kill them within a generation. Republicans may have just accomplished that.
Not sure why conservative need to change their philosophies. Never hear people talking about liberals and Dems needing to change their philosophies. They just keep moving further left and the reason we have the anti-establishment GOP movement now is because the core GOP has been moving left. The base obviously wants a more conservative party that will be an alternative to the leftist/socialists Dems, not a moderate GOP caving and capitulating at every turn.

As for echo chambers, the left has their's as much as the right. Funny how we just hear liberals rail against Fox News and Rush, etc but the libs have their own MSNBC, NPR, a plethora of internet forums, sites, blogs where they engage in their group think. Not to mention the bulk of the mainstream news media. There's been surveys over the years showing over 80% of news reporters, producers, execs, etc vote Democrat. ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN all sway to the left. Execs from all these networks have ties and spouses to the Obama admin. It constantly shows up in their reporting, slanted stories and even subtly in which stories get aired and which ones get pushed under the rug.
 

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The reason Trump and Cruz lead in the primaries is because voters voted in the GOP in the mid-terms in 2010 and 2014 to combat the liberal Obama, Pelosi, Reid agenda. Instead the core GOP basically capitulated, compromised and caved at every turn.
But how much have they actually capitulated? What big ass liberal agenda has gone through since ACA? The most controversial bill Obama signed was the Trans Pacific Partnership, and that was a Republican darling.


The Trump phenomena is due to so many R's fed up with the establishment R's for reneging on their promises over the last 6 years and basically handing Obama whatever he wants. So these Trump supporters are more about protesting against the establishment and supporter the outsider candidate. The problem is it's totally misguided though because Trump is actually more to the left on most issues than the establishment GOP these people are mad at. But he rarely talks policy other than immigration. Most of his campaign is empty political rhetoric and catchy slogans while feeding off the anger of the masses against the media and GOP.
Once again, what did he want? A budget passed? It's not like Obama's made it an inch on Gun Control legislation. Most of what has been signed into law has been fairly bipartisan. Now that being said, yeah Rs have no stitch of conservatism within their establishment, which is why the Tea Party's first incarnation felt not so different from a libertarian organization. Before it was hijacked by the christian right.

At least with Cruz, he is an actual conservative and has risen because like Trump, his viewed as being outside the moderate GOP establishment. He has taken on the moderate leaders like Boehner and McConnell as much as he has the lefties like Reid, Pelosi and Obama.
I mostly dislike Cruz because he seems unlikeable, and panders heavily to the Christian right, which is no more conservative than Pelosi, Reid or Obama. That means Cruz isn't a conservative, just another big Government guy.


This entire GOP primary season has been Trump, Cruz, Carson, etc which all have one thing in common, anti-GOP establishment. Hopefully when it's said and done it'll solidify around the actual conservative.
I too hope Rand Paul gets the nomination.



Not sure why conservative need to change their philosophies. Never hear people talking about liberals and Dems needing to change their philosophies. They just keep moving further left and the reason we have the anti-establishment GOP movement now is because the core GOP has been moving left. The base obviously wants a more conservative party that will be an alternative to the leftist/socialists Dems, not a moderate GOP caving and capitulating at every turn.
The anti establishment GOP wasn't just because of moderate republicans. It's because of war hawk republicans, and banks being allowed (by both parties) to crater the economy for fun and profit. Liberals are expected to moderate. No matter how much the anti-establishment democrats hate Hillary and love Bernie. Hillary will be there to take the oath of office. Because liberals no they can't change things all at once. Liberals tolerated the bigotry because newfangled ideas like marriage equality wouldn't be acceptable until a certain portion of the population had died.

As for echo chambers, the left has their's as much as the right. Funny how we just hear liberals rail against Fox News and Rush, etc but the libs have their own MSNBC, NPR, a plethora of internet forums, sites, blogs where they engage in their group think. Not to mention the bulk of the mainstream news media. There's been surveys over the years showing over 80% of news reporters, producers, execs, etc vote Democrat. ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN all sway to the left. Execs from all these networks have ties and spouses to the Obama admin. It constantly shows up in their reporting, slanted stories and even subtly in which stories get aired and which ones get pushed under the rug.
I mentioned this before. Yes all of mainstream veers left, slightly. There's even MSNBC which turns as severely left as Fox News swerves right. The difference is that Republicans isolated themselves from the mainstream. That in order to shield themselves from the slightest intrusion of leftist bias.

Think about how looney democrats that only listened to MSNBC would be. As oppose to those that take their news from NPR and The Atlantic. What qualifies as an echo chamber is something completely isolated from the mainstream. That parses information, not for validity, but for whether or not they agree with it.

This is important as 80s Republican talking points have become more and more anachronistic. "Tough on Crime" has filled the prisons. Foreign wars have bankrupt the country. In the mind of young people Gay rights are civil rights. The war on drugs is a catastrophe. These are all things that Democrats were slow to accept as well. But they changed, because they weren't caught in the echo chamber of a dying generation.
 

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This is the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard. Just the biggest wank off for every bygone generation.

How much is the Christian God needed in schools? This is why boomers are the most entitled fucking generation. They think their personal dogma should be taught alongside arithmetic. What the fuck kind of broken ass ideology would even want their personal private beliefs taught in schools? If it's that integral a part of your morality, then kids should probably learn it from their parents.
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This is the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard. Just the biggest wank off for every bygone generation.

How much is the Christian God needed in schools? This is why boomers are the most entitled fucking generation. They think their personal dogma should be taught alongside arithmetic. What the fuck kind of broken ass ideology would even want their personal private beliefs taught in schools? If it's that integral a part of your morality, then kids should probably learn it from their parents.






It would be great if most school children had parents to learn morality from. It's really sad but there are getting to be more from broken homes and continuing domestic squabbles which leaves precious little to be positive influences on each succeeding generation. At least one thing that Christian ethics teaches is the value of family.
 

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This is the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard. Just the biggest wank off for every bygone generation.

How much is the Christian God needed in schools? This is why boomers are the most entitled fucking generation. They think their personal dogma should be taught alongside arithmetic. What the fuck kind of broken ass ideology would even want their personal private beliefs taught in schools? If it's that integral a part of your morality, then kids should probably learn it from their parents.
I get that you're glad about the changes, I won't argue this point because my kids will be fine without an y of that being taught in public schools...the point is that we have moved farther left for more than one reason. I think that VA's point are valid.

If education is so important then I'd think that folks would agree that if education has become more left leaning (it obviously has) there will be a more left leaning outcome in our kids. Let's not pretend that it is not part of the cultural war.

The right and left are to blame here for sure. Both have played the game. The right just happens to be shrinking because their "convictions" have become hot button issues to argue about rather than quietly lived with a kind heart.

Dammit there are so many ways to go with this post...
 

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Once again, what did he want? A budget passed? It's not like Obama's made it an inch on Gun Control legislation. Most of what has been signed into law has been fairly bipartisan. Now that being said, yeah Rs have no stitch of conservatism within their establishment, which is why the Tea Party's first incarnation felt not so different from a libertarian organization. Before it was hijacked by the christian right.
ACA, Iran nuke agreement, immigration, Keystone pipeline, environment regulations / anti-coal, gay rights, budget funding pet lib projects to name a few. Many issues the establishment GOP went along with or did nothing to curtail.

I mostly dislike Cruz because he seems unlikeable, and panders heavily to the Christian right, which is no more conservative than Pelosi, Reid or Obama. That means Cruz isn't a conservative, just another big Government guy.
No way anyone in their right mind can compare Cruz to Pelosi, Reid and Obama. There is nothing Christian or conservative about the latter three. Christians are primarily social conservatives much like Cruz. I like Rand Paul too, but for whatever reason he was unable to get any real traction. Carson is a good solid conservative but unfortunately is politically inept.



The anti establishment GOP wasn't just because of moderate republicans. It's because of war hawk republicans, and banks being allowed (by both parties) to crater the economy for fun and profit. Liberals are expected to moderate. No matter how much the anti-establishment democrats hate Hillary and love Bernie. Hillary will be there to take the oath of office. Because liberals no they can't change things all at once. Liberals tolerated the bigotry because newfangled ideas like marriage equality wouldn't be acceptable until a certain portion of the population had died.
The moderate R's proved to be not conservative on social issues as much as they weren't conservative on spending issues. And Hillary will get the support of most Dems, even the furthest to the left because they will fall in line like always.

I mentioned this before. Yes all of mainstream veers left, slightly. There's even MSNBC which turns as severely left as Fox News swerves right. The difference is that Republicans isolated themselves from the mainstream. That in order to shield themselves from the slightest intrusion of leftist bias.

Think about how looney democrats that only listened to MSNBC would be. As oppose to those that take their news from NPR and The Atlantic. What qualifies as an echo chamber is something completely isolated from the mainstream. That parses information, not for validity, but for whether or not they agree with it.
An echo chamber is basically group think which is done by both sides. Most people on either side will have their views and then gravitate to others who share similar views. The right may have Fox News and some talk radio whereas the left has MSNBC and large presence on the internet especially with groups like Media Matters funded by lib David Brock, Daily Kos and multitude of other lib on line media and blogs many funded by George Soros and other multimillion and billionaire leftists. What they have that the right doesn't is the mainstream media which pretends to be non-partisan but leans to the left and helps to sway the narrative and attitudes in that direction.

This is important as 80s Republican talking points have become more and more anachronistic. "Tough on Crime" has filled the prisons. Foreign wars have bankrupt the country. In the mind of young people Gay rights are civil rights. The war on drugs is a catastrophe. These are all things that Democrats were slow to accept as well. But they changed, because they weren't caught in the echo chamber of a dying generation.
The Dems have always been more liberal. But now they are more in line with the far left of their party. This all goes back to the discussion above about how America has moved to the left over the last 30-40 years and primarily for the reasons I mentioned early. The establishment GOP has been caught up in this shift which is why they are getting so much push back in this election cycle.
 

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I get that you're glad about the changes, I won't argue this point because my kids will be fine without an y of that being taught in public schools...the point is that we have moved farther left for more than one reason. I think that VA's point are valid.

If education is so important then I'd think that folks would agree that if education has become more left leaning (it obviously has) there will be a more left leaning outcome in our kids. Let's not pretend that it is not part of the cultural war.

The right and left are to blame here for sure. Both have played the game. The right just happens to be shrinking because their "convictions" have become hot button issues to argue about rather than quietly lived with a kind heart.

Dammit there are so many ways to go with this post...
Oddly, religion used to be the face of progressivism. Prohibition and abolitionism, were both Religious movements. The Suffragists were overwhelmingly religious as well. Obviously the Civil rights movement was couched in Black Christianity. The strangest thing about Christianity in the US is that it has become so conservative.
 

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Christians are primarily social conservatives much like Cruz.
That's the problem right there. Social conservatism is utterly incompatible with fiscal conservatism. Social conservatives want huge government spending on attempts to legislate and enforce their moral beliefs on others. Wars on drugs, wars on gays, wars on Muslims, wars on immigrants, and whatever their next pet peeve turns out to be that they want the government to go after for them.

Fiscal conservatism is dying on the vine because the party that's supposed to support it wants to spend just as much money as the liberals, just on slightly different things.
 

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ACA, Iran nuke agreement, immigration, Keystone pipeline, environment regulations / anti-coal, gay rights, budget funding pet lib projects to name a few. Many issues the establishment GOP went along with or did nothing to curtail.
The nuke agreement isn't exactly conservative. Although sucking Israel's dick is a big part of the religious right. Still it's an interesting thing that the congress had to get a majority large enough to overcome presidential veto, just to overturn the deal. To me that seems like a fight Republicans intended to lose. I suspect they wanted the deal behind closed doors, but had to "oppose" it just enough to satisfy their base.
As far as immigration goes, that's slippery. They don't have to votes to fight Obama's executive action. Even if they were the staunchest anti-immigration types, they'd still be dead in the water. The Keystone Pipeline was a thing they were trying to do (which grossly undermined our domestic interests.) you really can't get mad at a republican congress for not passing legislation that a president is opposed to. As far as I can tell all the environmental stuff is going through existing presidential powers as well. But I see your point, this country is still moving left, despite the Republicans being handed the house and senate. That probably looks like poor dividends on a what was an impressively republican friendly midterm.


No way anyone in their right mind can compare Cruz to Pelosi, Reid and Obama. There is nothing Christian or conservative about the latter three. Christians are primarily social conservatives much like Cruz. I like Rand Paul too, but for whatever reason he was unable to get any real traction. Carson is a good solid conservative but unfortunately is politically inept.
Well as I was saying is that a politician that chooses to legislate morality, is by no means conservative. Not conservative in a "small government" definition anyway. Cruz plays at being conservative, but he can't claim it any more that the liberal brass, because he's perfectly willing to overlook the constitution when his religion would benefit from it.




The moderate R's proved to be not conservative on social issues as much as they weren't conservative on spending issues. And Hillary will get the support of most Dems, even the furthest to the left because they will fall in line like always.
A lot of the social stuff has fallen outside of the Republican congress's control. SCOTUS and POTUS have mostly been using their powers to make these "social issue" changes. The Governors have been impotently trying to fight them at every turn. Governors are pretty freaking powerless, I've learned.
You're right about the Democrats falling in line. This is what Republicans used to do. I kind of hated them for it, but damn, turns out things can be much worse.


An echo chamber is basically group think which is done by both sides. Most people on either side will have their views and then gravitate to others who share similar views. The right may have Fox News and some talk radio whereas the left has MSNBC and large presence on the internet especially with groups like Media Matters funded by lib David Brock, Daily Kos and multitude of other lib on line media and blogs many funded by George Soros and other multimillion and billionaire leftists. What they have that the right doesn't is the mainstream media which pretends to be non-partisan but leans to the left and helps to sway the narrative and attitudes in that direction.
You're right, but I think you ascribe all this to some kind of malevolent conspiracy. The left leaning mainstream leans left because it's located in big cities, on coastlines, which always skew left. Writers are academics who study in Ivy League universities. NPR is run by arts majors with trust funds. We're mostly seeing the ingrained biases of well intentioned people, from typically liberal regions and careers. I think it's hard for conservatives, who are far less media savvy as a group, to get their ideology across.

The only media access the Right Wing really gets is when its being ridiculous. So you have buffoons like Hannity badgering people and just being supremely unlikable, or some backwoods yokel with an R in front of his name making some statement about "legitimate rape" and hamstringing the entire party.

Deliberating on this, I think the path towards the left, more than anything else, could be traced to this single issue. Although if people were willing to consume the best media sources (the ones that aren't propaganda like Fox News or MSNBC) and use the information to think for themselves, instead of enforcing their own biases, both liberals and conservatives would be better off.


The Dems have always been more liberal. But now they are more in line with the far left of their party. This all goes back to the discussion above about how America has moved to the left over the last 30-40 years and primarily for the reasons I mentioned early. The establishment GOP has been caught up in this shift which is why they are getting so much push back in this election cycle.
The largest issue I had with your statements was this pining for school indoctrination. Which is still a huge problem. The United States is still spending millions on abstinence only sex education (which all statistics point to being as or less effective than no education at all). We still have states fighting to keep creation myths in science texts. Even though Christian and Catholic schools can be exemplary academic institutions, State administered evangelism is toxic.
 

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Oddly, religion used to be the face of progressivism. Prohibition and abolitionism, were both Religious movements. The Suffragists were overwhelmingly religious as well. Obviously the Civil rights movement was couched in Black Christianity. The strangest thing about Christianity in the US is that it has become so conservative.
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That's the problem right there. Social conservatism is utterly incompatible with fiscal conservatism. Social conservatives want huge government spending on attempts to legislate and enforce their moral beliefs on others. Wars on drugs, wars on gays, wars on Muslims, wars on immigrants, and whatever their next pet peeve turns out to be that they want the government to go after for them.
Interesting take. Not sure how wanting the govt to enforce current immigration laws becomes 'war on immigrants'. It's just common sense. Not sure what the war on Muslims is either. The idea is to protect us from terrorists, if they happen to be Muslims that's irrelevant. And I guess believing in the sanctity of marriage between a man and woman is now 'war of gays'? :lol

If that's the way it works I guess the ACA is war on healthcare, taxes: war on middle class, guns: war on 2nd amendment, exec orders: war on Constitution, pushing liberal beliefs: war on Christians.... yeah, this is interesting.

Fiscal conservatism is dying on the vine because the party that's supposed to support it wants to spend just as much money as the liberals, just on slightly different things.
I happen to be socially and fiscally conservative, but I do agree both sides want to spend, just on their own agenda's. And even though I support a strong military there should be ways to rein in the out of control spending and waste there too.

The biggest problem is it's hard to win elections as a fiscal conservative. The Dems want to promise everything under the sun and pretend only the top 2% will pay for it. In reality taxes and fees in the form of penalties will pay for it as well as more borrowed spending. Program after program and promise after promise. So obviously if one candidate is playing Santa and the other is talking about cutting spending and is portrayed as the Grinch, then guess who will likely win?

I would like to see more Rands in the Congress who are serious about cutting spending and being fiscally conservative. But good luck getting enough of them elected to make a difference.
 

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Interesting take. Not sure how wanting the govt to enforce current immigration laws becomes 'war on immigrants'. It's just common sense. Not sure what the war on Muslims is either. The idea is to protect us from terrorists, if they happen to be Muslims that's irrelevant. And I guess believing in the sanctity of marriage between a man and woman is now 'war of gays'? :lol

If that's the way it works I guess the ACA is war on healthcare, taxes: war on middle class, guns: war on 2nd amendment, exec orders: war on Constitution, pushing liberal beliefs: war on Christians.... yeah, this is interesting.



I happen to be socially and fiscally conservative, but I do agree both sides want to spend, just on their own agenda's. And even though I support a strong military there should be ways to rein in the out of control spending and waste there too.

The biggest problem is it's hard to win elections as a fiscal conservative. The Dems want to promise everything under the sun and pretend only the top 2% will pay for it. In reality taxes and fees in the form of penalties will pay for it as well as more borrowed spending. Program after program and promise after promise. So obviously if one candidate is playing Santa and the other is talking about cutting spending and is portrayed as the Grinch, then guess who will likely win?

I would like to see more Rands in the Congress who are serious about cutting spending and being fiscally conservative. But good luck getting enough of them elected to make a difference.
How much time over the last ten years have Republican politicians wasted talking about gay marriage, a thing no sane human being cares about? By the way, there is nothing 'sanctified' that takes place in a government that practices separation between church and state. Ted Cruz recently spoke at a rally where a "conservative" pastor advocated for the death penalty for gays. So, yeah.

You know how extensive an operation it would take to expel every illegal in the country, yeah, that would be on the scale of a war too.

By war on muslims, I mean the endless wars in the middle east that the "conservatives" demand we get involved in and spend trillions on.

Does that clarify what I mean by those things?
 
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How much time over the last ten years have Republican politicians wasted talking about gay marriage, a thing no sane human being cares about? By the way, there is nothing 'sanctified' that takes place in a government that practices separation between church and state. Ted Cruz recently spoke at a rally where a "conservative" pastor advocated for the death penalty for gays. So, yeah.
Very minimal time has been spent on gay marriage issue. Obama's own pastor said many radical things over the years including GD America...yet most people blew it off so I don't care about someone random idiot at some random rally that Cruz happened to be at.


You know how extensive an operation it would take to expel every illegal in the country, yeah, that would be on the scale of a war too.
I mentioned enforcing the current laws so they wouldn't be here in the first place. At the very least start enforcing it now. Enforcing existing law isn't war on immigration.

By war on muslims, I mean the endless wars in the middle east that the "conservatives" demand we get involved in and spend trillions on.

Does that clarify what I mean by those things?
Obama has currently spent the last year and a half bombing Muslims in Syria. He isn't an R or conservative and neither is Hillary who voted for Iraq war, pushed to ouster Ghadaffi and was actively arming terrorist to try and overthrow Assad. The current war on Muslims if that's what you want to call it is being conducted by Dems.
 

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Very minimal time has been spent on gay marriage issue. Obama's own pastor said many radical things over the years including GD America...yet most people blew it off so I don't care about someone random idiot at some random rally that Cruz happened to be at.




I mentioned enforcing the current laws so they wouldn't be here in the first place. At the very least start enforcing it now. Enforcing existing law isn't war on immigration.



Obama has currently spent the last year and a half bombing Muslims in Syria. He isn't an R or conservative and neither is Hillary who voted for Iraq war, pushed to ouster Ghadaffi and was actively arming terrorist to try and overthrow Assad. The current war on Muslims if that's what you want to call it is being conducted by Dems.
All you're saying is that the Democrats are the same as the Republicans, and I agree with that. No one is saying the Democrats are fiscally conservative either.
 

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Republicans Silent As Pres. Obama Gives Our Soldiers Their Biggest Raise In 5 Years

Republicans Silent As Pres. Obama Gives Our Soldiers Their Biggest Raise In 5 Years

President Obama’s previously announced pay raise for the military and other federal employees – the largest such increase in five years – is set to go into effect at the end of the week in spite of Republican obstructionism on the bill. Soldiers will see their salaries rise by 1.3%, while all other federal employees will receive a 1% raise. The pay increase for the military is especially significant given that military pay had increased only minimally in recent years after being frozen from 2011 to 2013. The average salary of a soldier is about $40,000, a shamefully low figure that Republicans have done nothing to increase despite all of their cowardly war-mongering bluster that puts these brave men and women in harm’s way.

Indeed President Obama, and Democrats in general, are endlessly criticized as weak by Republicans who would apparently prefer a dictator, and are slandered as anti-American for supposedly not supporting our troops sufficiently. As with so many cliched republican talking points, however, these claims are in direct opposition to reality, with Republicans confusing support for meaningless wars and massacring civilians with support for our troops. Congressional Democrats originally proposed a 3.8% increase in pay for soldiers and other federal workers, but the bill was shot down by Republicans in the House, and it took significant effort to get these right-wing obstructionists to agree even to the more minimal pay increase – but they still see the need for billions to defense contractors to buy equipment we don’t need.

As they’ve repeatedly demonstrated, many Republicans have such a deranged hatred of President Obama that they will shoot down any bill, no matter how beneficial and necessary, that he supports. Such Republicans, usually so quick to criticize Obama as a weak and even traitorous commander in chief, have remained silent on the issue rather than give Obama the credit he deserves for granting soldiers their largest pay raise in five years or admit their own responsibility for keeping soldiers underpaid while keeping the pockets of arms dealers full.
 

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President Obama’s previously announced pay raise for the military and other federal employees – the largest such increase in five years – is set to go into effect at the end of the week in spite of Republican obstructionism on the bill. Soldiers will see their salaries rise by 1.3%, while all other federal employees will receive a 1% raise. The pay increase for the military is especially significant given that military pay had increased only minimally in recent years after being frozen from 2011 to 2013. The average salary of a soldier is about $40,000, a shamefully low figure that Republicans have done nothing to increase despite all of their cowardly war-mongering bluster that puts these brave men and women in harm’s way.

Indeed President Obama, and Democrats in general, are endlessly criticized as weak by Republicans who would apparently prefer a dictator, and are slandered as anti-American for supposedly not supporting our troops sufficiently. As with so many cliched republican talking points, however, these claims are in direct opposition to reality, with Republicans confusing support for meaningless wars and massacring civilians with support for our troops. Congressional Democrats originally proposed a 3.8% increase in pay for soldiers and other federal workers, but the bill was shot down by Republicans in the House, and it took significant effort to get these right-wing obstructionists to agree even to the more minimal pay increase – but they still see the need for billions to defense contractors to buy equipment we don’t need.

As they’ve repeatedly demonstrated, many Republicans have such a deranged hatred of President Obama that they will shoot down any bill, no matter how beneficial and necessary, that he supports. Such Republicans, usually so quick to criticize Obama as a weak and even traitorous commander in chief, have remained silent on the issue rather than give Obama the credit he deserves for granting soldiers their largest pay raise in five years or admit their own responsibility for keeping soldiers underpaid while keeping the pockets of arms dealers full.
Troops in War are certainly deserving of every thing they get financially.
 

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All you're saying is that the Democrats are the same as the Republicans, and I agree with that. No one is saying the Democrats are fiscally conservative either.
You're blaming it on conservatives but none of this is conservative. I've already mentioned multiple times the establishment GOP isn't conservative, fiscally or socially.
 

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President Obama’s previously announced pay raise for the military and other federal employees – the largest such increase in five years – is set to go into effect at the end of the week in spite of Republican obstructionism on the bill. Soldiers will see their salaries rise by 1.3%, while all other federal employees will receive a 1% raise. The pay increase for the military is especially significant given that military pay had increased only minimally in recent years after being frozen from 2011 to 2013. The average salary of a soldier is about $40,000, a shamefully low figure that Republicans have done nothing to increase despite all of their cowardly war-mongering bluster that puts these brave men and women in harm’s way.

Indeed President Obama, and Democrats in general, are endlessly criticized as weak by Republicans who would apparently prefer a dictator, and are slandered as anti-American for supposedly not supporting our troops sufficiently. As with so many cliched republican talking points, however, these claims are in direct opposition to reality, with Republicans confusing support for meaningless wars and massacring civilians with support for our troops. Congressional Democrats originally proposed a 3.8% increase in pay for soldiers and other federal workers, but the bill was shot down by Republicans in the House, and it took significant effort to get these right-wing obstructionists to agree even to the more minimal pay increase – but they still see the need for billions to defense contractors to buy equipment we don’t need.

As they’ve repeatedly demonstrated, many Republicans have such a deranged hatred of President Obama that they will shoot down any bill, no matter how beneficial and necessary, that he supports. Such Republicans, usually so quick to criticize Obama as a weak and even traitorous commander in chief, have remained silent on the issue rather than give Obama the credit he deserves for granting soldiers their largest pay raise in five years or admit their own responsibility for keeping soldiers underpaid while keeping the pockets of arms dealers full.
Pure B.S. In Oct Obama vetoed a bipartisan defense spending bill that gave the military the same raise. He wanted to force Congress to also pass his domestic spending which he got them to do a few weeks ago. Now the same military increase is in place but with all the extra pork and BS spending Obama wanted.

President Obama held a photo-op to highlight his decision to veto the bipartisan National Defense Authorization Act, which appropriates $612 billion in defense spending -- a figure that matches Obama's military budget request. Among other things, the legislation pays the troops and gives them a raise. It sailed through the Senate with 70 votes, attracting dozens of Democratic votes at both ends of Capitol Hill. But in an escalation of partisan politics, Obama has refused to sign the measure into law in an effort to coerce Republicans into caving into his domestic spending demands
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2015/10/23/obama-defense-bill-veto-n2069796
 

Cotton

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VA is killing it in this thread.
 

Clay_Allison

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You're blaming it on conservatives but none of this is conservative. I've already mentioned multiple times the establishment GOP isn't conservative, fiscally or socially.
I'm blaming the lack of fiscal conservatism in the GOP on people who prioritize social conservatism over fiscal. You just keep bringing up the Democrats to confuse the issue.
 
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