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How in the hell can you say Trump hasn't read the constitution? Also this whole thing started with the DNC so there would not have been any reason for Trump to try to defend himself otherwise. If you can't see that this whole scheme was laid by the DNC then you are in denial. Trump is guilty of being stupid and not avoiding this debacle but he isn't responsible for it.
Trump's use Islam as a punching bag his entire campaign. The DNC rightly found the perfect person to give a rebuttal to his bigotry. The DNC's master plan was to show the country the kind of people Trump would want to ban from entering. Naturally Trump responded by insulting their religion.

Also he thinks there's a 12th article of the constitution. Plus y'know him wanting to defy the first amendment. By not only banning Muslim entry but also "not ruling out" a Muslim registry. What proof do you have that he has read the constitution?
 

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Trump's use Islam as a punching bag his entire campaign. The DNC rightly found the perfect person to give a rebuttal to his bigotry. The DNC's master plan was to show the country the kind of people Trump would want to ban from entering. Naturally Trump responded by insulting their religion.

Also he thinks there's a 12th article of the constitution. Plus y'know him wanting to defy the first amendment. By not only banning Muslim entry but also "not ruling out" a Muslim registry. What proof do you have that he has read the constitution?
What proof do you have he hasn't? And your arguments about the constitutionally of all this has been addressed earlier and some happen to agree that the constitution is to protect the citizen not the entire world.

What do you know about the. DNC master plan?
 

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I would bet every last cent on earth that trump hasn't read the constitution, or even finished the preamble for that matter.
 

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Trump is an educated man. There are a lot of people who are educated and may not pass a test on the constitution. Everyone has their own niche for what the learn and practice.
 

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I would bet every last cent on earth that trump hasn't read the constitution, or even finished the preamble for that matter.
I think it's a beautiful preamble a tremendous preamble, one of the great preambles. I talk to people and they tell me that this preamble, it does great things, it's successful.
 

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I think it's a beautiful preamble a tremendous preamble, one of the great preambles. I talk to people and they tell me that this preamble, it does great things, it's successful.
The First Amendment, that's the whole ballgame, am I right?
 

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Sort of but we aren't talking about people on American soil. We are talking about people in another country wanting to enter upon our American soil.
Didn't he talk about a "Muslim registry" or something like driving all muslims out of America?
 

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Trump is an educated man. There are a lot of people who are educated and may not pass a test on the constitution. Everyone has their own niche for what the learn and practice.
That's great and all, but not everyone runs for president.
 

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What Donald Trump Doesn't Get About Ghazala and Khizr Khan

What Donald Trump Doesn't Get About Ghazala and Khizr Khan

http://www.newyorker.com/news/amy-davidson/what-donald-trump-doesnt-get-about-ghazala-and-khizr-khan?mbid=social_facebook

By Amy Davidson

"I am much weaker than she is, in such matters,” Khizr Khan said of his wife, Ghazala, in an interview on MSNBC with Lawrence O’Donnell on Friday, the day after he had addressed the Democratic National Convention. Ghazala was sitting beside him then, and she had been standing beside him the night before, as he told the story of their son, Captain Humayun Khan, an American soldier who died in Iraq. Watching them, it would seem difficult to doubt the strength of either the husband or the wife, or their shared pain and mutual commitment to being there, which was conveyed in each small gesture—difficult, that is, unless one’s name is Donald J. Trump.

Khan, though his speech centered on the loss of his son, had made the case against Trump more powerfully than almost any other speaker. His son was, as a small child, a Muslim immigrant—the kind of person Trump has said he wants to ban. As an adult, in 2004, he told the soldiers under his command to stay back while he walked toward an uncertain threat. A car bomb went off; Captain Khan was killed, and his soldiers lived. Twelve years later, his father, speaking directly to Trump, said, “Let me ask you: Have you even read the United States Constitution? I will gladly lend you my copy.” He had one, and he pulled it out and waved it at the crowd at the D.N.C. “In this document, look for the words ‘liberty’ and ‘equal protection of law.’ ” He added, “You have sacrificed nothing and no one.”


Trump didn’t seem to be in a reading mood after hearing the speech, just a slurring and hectoring one. “His wife, if you look at his wife, she was standing there. She had nothing to say,” he said in an interview Saturday, with George Stephanopoulos of ABC News. “She probably—maybe she wasn’t allowed to have anything to say. You tell me, but plenty of people have written that. She was extremely quiet and looked like she had nothing to say.”

What Trump may have meant by that was that Ghazala Khan, an older woman in a headscarf, “looked like” someone who would “have nothing to say” that he, Trump, could possibly be interested in hearing. Trump certainly wasn’t making a statement of Islamo-feminism, as much as he looks for opportunities to present himself as the “real” champion of women, gays and lesbians, Hispanics, and anyone else who might be disinclined to trust Trump. On MSNBC, Ghazala Khan had talked about how it was still hard for her to “come into a room where his pictures are,” let alone an arena where her son’s image was projected onto a giant screen, which is why she had let her husband speak there. That possibility seems to have eluded Trump. Instead, he wavered between the dismissal of the idea that Ghazala might have a thought in her head and the opportunity to insinuate that Khizr was a domestic crypto-Sharia tyrant.

After Trump tried to brush Khan away by wishing him “the best of luck” with some unspecified enterprise—mourning?—Stephanopoulos asked Trump, more precisely, what he would say to him. “Well, I would say, we have had a lot of problems with radical Islamic terrorism. That’s what I’d say,” Trump replied. As for sacrifices, he, Trump, had made plenty: “I’ve worked very, very hard”; “I’ve raised millions of dollars for the vets”; “I’ve created thousands and thousands of jobs” and “built great structures.” Does any one of those “structures” say as much about what it means to be American as the gravestone raised for Captain Khan?

As the weekend progressed, more people watched Khan’s speech—some of them stopped him on the street to shake his hand—and the appalling character of Trump’s response to the Khans sunk in. Naturally, Trump’s comments, on Twitter, escalated. On Sunday: “Captain Khan, killed 12 years ago, was a hero, but this is about RADICAL ISLAMIC TERROR and the weakness of our ‘leaders’ to eradicate it!” Then, half an hour later, more petulantly: “I was viciously attacked by Mr. Khan at the Democratic Convention. Am I not allowed to respond? Hillary voted for the Iraq war, not me!” And then, Monday morning: “This story is not about Mr. Khan, who is all over the place doing interviews, but rather RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORISM and the U.S. Get smart!”

It is Trump, though, who has not been smart, not about what the Constitution says (he should, indeed, read it) and not about the power of the Khans’ message. He had decided to take on the Khans and he was losing to them, not just because they were sympathetic figures but because they stood up to him and pushed back. Both have been clear that their message is not only an expression of grief but one of political warning. Khizr said, on MSNBC, that he was speaking in Philadelphia to two specific people: Senator Mitch McConnell and Speaker of the House Paul Ryan, whom he referred to as otherwise decent men who had failed a crucial test. “Isn’t it time to repudiate Trump?” he said. “I appeal to both of these leaders: this is the time—there comes a time in the history of a nation where an emphatical moral stand has to be taken, regardless of the political cost.” Both McConnell and Ryan have issued statements generally praising Captain Khan and reiterating their disagreement with a ban on Muslims entering the country, and yet neither has stepped away from his endorsement of Trump. At this moment, to Khan, that is what matters. (John McCain denounced Trump’s remarks on Monday, but also failed to revoke his endorsement.) On Sunday, on “Meet the Press,” Khan told Chuck Todd that he would keep speaking directly to them and to Republicans: “This is a political process. It’s a wonderful, beautiful political process. But in that political process, there are some moral, ethical values of this country that need to be maintained and managed.” Trump lacked a “moral compass,” Khan said, adding, “The way he showed disrespect towards the Gold Star mother of this country, that says it all.”


“Your wife?” Todd said.

“My wife, the brave mother of my son, Captain Humayun Khan. Hero of this country. We don’t take these values lightly,” Khan said.

On Sunday, Ghazala Khan published an op-ed, in the Washington Post. “Donald Trump said I had nothing to say. I do,” she wrote. She remembered the son who had gone willingly to Iraq because he had believed in his commitment to his country, as he did in all his commitments. He taught disabled children to swim, telling her, “I love when they have a little bit of progress and their faces, they light up”; after his death, she couldn’t bear to clean out his closet. Her husband, she said, had asked her to speak, but she felt she could not. It shouldn’t have mattered: “Whoever saw me felt me in their heart.”

As her husband acknowledged, though, it was not only her grief that she added. Asked by Todd about his speech, Khizr said, “Those were my thoughts, and edited by my wonderful wife. I would read it to her while getting ready, while travelling on the train. And she would edit. And she would say, ‘No, you’re not going to say this. No, this is not for the occasion.’ ” What she took out, he said, was some personal invective about Trump, and cracks, for example, about plagiarism in Melania Trump’s speech. Of all the addresses at the Convention, Khan’s said most plainly that the wrongness of Trump is not his style or tackiness or even obliviousness to world events; it is in his clearly formulated anti-Americanism. Ghazala Khan, it appears, made sure of that.

“She’s my coach, and she was there,” Khizr Khan said on MSNBC. “I was strengthened by her presence. Forty years of marriage has brought us in a position where we are strength for one another. So her being there was the strength I could hold my composure.” Is that kind of reliance, and respect, in any context, something Trump could ever understand?


Amy Davidson is a New Yorker staff writer. She is a regular Comment contributor for the magazine and writes a Web column, in which she covers war, sports, and everything in between.
 
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Didn't he talk about a "Muslim registry" or something like driving all muslims out of America?
Nope, but he does want a registry of Syrian Refugees. This is sort of the problem with the political process, there is just a ton of misinformation and misleading facts out there. You could probably go on facebook tomorrow and someone will claim Trump wants to murder all Muslims.
 

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I feel for these people but Muslims killed their son. The anger at Trump is misdirected. It is a baited trap that Trump doesn't have the good sense to avoid but these folks are being used and that is the real shame.
So how do you feel about the lady who lost a son in Benghazi who has been going in on Hillary?

Do you feel sorry for her being used?
 

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Trump vows to crack down on internet porn


By Daniel Halper

August 1, 2016 | 9:20am

Donald Trump will crack down on internet pornography if elected president, vowing to appoint a commission to examine its “harmful public health impact.”

News of the promise — which comes as racy photos of his wife, Melania, were obtained by The Post — is part of “The Children’s Internet Safety Presidential Pledge” from the group Enough Is Enough, which Trump signed on July 16.

The anti-porn commitment means he promises to “uphold the rule of law by aggressively enforc[ing] existing federal laws to prevent the sexual exploitation of children online, including the federal obscenity laws, child pornography laws, sexual predation laws and the sex trafficking laws.”

He also pledges to:


“Aggressively enforce the Children’s Internet Protection Act (CIPA) requiring schools and public libraries using government eRate monies to filter child pornography and pornography by requiring effective oversight by the Federal Communications Commission;

“Protect and defend the innocence of America’s children by advancing public policies that prevent the sexual exploitation of children in a manner that is consistent with the government’s compelling interest in protecting its most vulnerable citizens, within the limits set forth by the First Amendment.”

Hillary Clinton has not signed the anti-porn pledge, citing a policy of not signing pledges, according to the Washington Examiner.

The racy snaps capture 25-year-old Melania Trump — then Melania Knauss — in various stages of mostly undress, and in at least one, in a nude embrace with another woman. The photos were published in a now-defunct French magazine in the 1990s.

Trump spokesman Jason Miller told CNN that the mogul is “a little more focused on the direction of the country and what we need to do to get it turned around.”

“They’re a celebration of the human body as art, and [there’s] nothing to be embarrassed about with the photos. She’s a beautiful woman,” Miller added.
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That settles it.

Fuck this guy.
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Nope, but he does want a registry of Syrian Refugees. This is sort of the problem with the political process, there is just a ton of misinformation and misleading facts out there. You could probably go on facebook tomorrow and someone will claim Trump wants to murder all Muslims.
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/11/20/donald-trump-says-hed-absolutely-require-muslims-to-register/

NEWTON, Iowa — Donald J. Trump, who earlier in the week said he was open to requiring Muslims in the United States to register in a database, said on Thursday night that he “would certainly implement that — absolutely.”

Mr. Trump was asked about the issue by an NBC News reporter and pressed on whether all Muslims in the country would be forced to register. “They have to be,” he said. “They have to be.’’

When asked how a system of registering Muslims would be carried out — whether, for instance, mosques would be where people could register — Mr. Trump said: “Different places. You sign up at different places. But it’s all about management. Our country has no management
What about that is misleading?
 
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