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    Quote Originally Posted by boozeman View Post
    That is if we are stupid and think he is a budding Antonio Gates. This is a very good and very deep TE class for a change. We need to take advantage of that instead of being worried about progress stoppers.
    I agree with you but they have been loyal to the players they like in the past. I can easily see them thinking just what you brought up but I will wait and see. It seems that Stephen is starting to do smarter things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boozeman View Post
    That is if we are stupid and think he is a budding Antonio Gates. This is a very good and very deep TE class for a change. We need to take advantage of that instead of being worried about progress stoppers.
    The sad thing is we are probably at the point now where we should start seriously considering a TE. Witten is still great but sometimes I do get a little jealous of other teams TEs who are fast and athletic and take a short catch and make a big gain. You figure a guy could develop as our number 2 TE for a year or two while slowly taking over for Witten. But instead we have wasted so many damn high picks on wasted TEs that it's hard to stomach another one now.

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    We haven't drafted a TE in 4 years. We're due.

    And this would be the one year where I wouldn't mind it at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1bigfan13 View Post
    We haven't drafted a TE in 4 years. We're due.

    And this would be the one year where I wouldn't mind it at all.
    I should say we haven't drafted a TE with a fairly high draft pick in 4 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1bigfan13 View Post
    We haven't drafted a TE in 4 years. We're due.

    And this would be the one year where I wouldn't mind it at all.
    I would love to have a real athlete at TE. Watching guys like Kelce and Jordan Reed definitely makes me a little jealous sometimes. Kelce took a 4 yard pass for 80 yards and a TD the other day. That stuff is just long past Witten.

    And I hope Rico can develop but I don't think he will ever run like that. I just don't think he has that type of speed and explosion.

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    Witten will be 35 next year, and while Swaim, Hanna, and I guess Gathers could definitely make for a solid TE group, you don't have that dynamic threat.

    The situation seems perfect to add a guy like Njoku in the 3rd, sit him behind Witten for a year or two and then make him the focus of your passing game (as far as TE's go) while the others do most of the dirty work as blockers.

    I'd be fine with Butt at the end of the 2nd, and I'm still contemplating Howard at the end of the 1st. The board would have to be bare, our trade down options would have to be shit, and I'd like to see him run a sub-4.6 at the Combine, but 6-6, 250 lb TE's that can block like he does and run after the catch like he does don't come around often. It'd hurt to spend a 1st on a TE but if he's the BPA, he's the BPA.

    Ideally I want to grab a guy like Njoku or Jordan Leggett in the 3rd or 4th, but Howard in the 1st or Butt in the 2nd could be clear BPA's. I'd look hard at Evan Engram too but something tells me we won't be interested in him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleton View Post
    Witten will be 35 next year, and while Swaim, Hanna, and I guess Gathers could definitely make for a solid TE group, you don't have that dynamic threat.

    The situation seems perfect to add a guy like Njoku in the 3rd, sit him behind Witten for a year or two and then make him the focus of your passing game (as far as TE's go) while the others do most of the dirty work as blockers.

    I'd be fine with Butt at the end of the 2nd, and I'm still contemplating Howard at the end of the 1st. The board would have to be bare, our trade down options would have to be shit, and I'd like to see him run a sub-4.6 at the Combine, but 6-6, 250 lb TE's that can block like he does and run after the catch like he does don't come around often. It'd hurt to spend a 1st on a TE but if he's the BPA, he's the BPA.

    Ideally I want to grab a guy like Njoku or Jordan Leggett in the 3rd or 4th, but Howard in the 1st or Butt in the 2nd could be clear BPA's. I'd look hard at Evan Engram too but something tells me we won't be interested in him.
    What about Bucky Hodges? I feel like you just ignored him entirely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowboysrock55 View Post
    What about Bucky Hodges? I feel like you just ignored him entirely.
    I did and it's because I feel like he is basically just a big slow receiver who never lined up as a true inline TE. Same can be said for Engram but I think he is more explosive.

    I'd be fine with Hodges in the 3rd but never in the 1st and I feel like he will be taken before our pick in the 2nd based on potential.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleton View Post
    I did and it's because I feel like he is basically just a big slow receiver who never lined up as a true inline TE. Same can be said for Engram but I think he is more explosive.

    I'd be fine with Hodges in the 3rd but never in the 1st and I feel like he will be taken before our pick in the 2nd based on potential.
    I actually think Hodges looks more explosive then the majority of the TE's you've listed. I've seen the guy basically run past DB on fly routes and get separation deep. He doesn't look just big and awkward like Gavin Escobar for instance. He actually looks like a TE with the wiggle of a WR to make guys miss or to get open with his routes. I probably wouldn't take him in the first either but to me he looks like the most explosive of the TE's in this draft that I've seen.

    Evan Engram looks like a WR because he is actually the size of a WR. The guy is like 6'3" 230 pounds. Highly productive but he is a WR. Hodges is at least 6'6" 245 pounds.
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    Since we are talking TEs, Nate Sprinkle of Arkansas pulled a Joseph Randle today at a Charlotte Belk store. Before the Razorbacks were going to play in the Belk Bowl.

    You can't buy that special kind of stupid.

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