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I think this is the first anti-establishment thing you've ever said. Well done.
There are a lot of pitfalls in the system and I am aware of a lot of them. I am simply hesitant to dwell on them because after all even with all its warts it's still the best system available. The flag is somewhat tattered but it's my wish for it to stay upright. Nothing better is available. When the succeeding generation makes it better then I will change course but that doesn't seem to be happening yet. Thanks for noticing though. :towel
 

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Lawsuits against Trump University claim students paid thousands for nothing

Kristina Davis

Donald Trump’s bid for the 2016 Republican presidential nomination and three lawsuits over his defunct Trump University are on a collision course.

The legal troubles emerged as a common theme in Thursday night’s televised Republican debate, as Trump’s top rivals repeatedly needled him over the allegations of fraud surrounding his real estate school.

And as one of the cases nears trial, it appears more likely than ever that Trump, the GOP front-runner, will be called to testify in a courtroom here, quite possibly during the home stretch of the campaign later this year.

The San Diego lawsuits

A handful of students sued the real estate mogul in 2010, alleging his Trump University was a sham full of misleading promises. The students said in a class-action lawsuit that they had paid as much as $35,000 to learn Trump’s secrets to real estate success.

According to the complaint filed in San Diego federal court, they were encouraged to sign up for more expensive levels of instruction, which were to include personal mentoring by experts “handpicked” by Trump. But instead, they say, the seminars were more like infomercials.

The lawsuit alleges that the for-profit university’s promises that advanced students could make tens of thousands of dollars each month were bogus, and that the school instead left many in debt.

Trump has argued that he can’t be held personally liable because he didn’t run daily operations at the university — although he says he did handpick the instructors. He also disagreed with allegations that the program was worthless.

In a television interview, one of Trump’s lawyers said the students failed to reap any benefits because of their own ineptitude, not because of the program.

Trump reacted to the lawsuit by countersuing for defamation, but that suit was dismissed.

A second, similar class-action lawsuit against Trump was filed in San Diego in 2013 by Art Cohen, a California businessman who attended seminars in Silicon Valley.

T.j. Thompson, a real estate agent in Baltimore, said in an interview Friday that she just wants her money back. She said she and her partner got upsold on the Elite $35,000 membership, excited for what it could do for their careers.

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“I liken it to if I was a 6-foot-6 senior in college and Michael Jordan told me, ‘If you come to my university I can get you in the NBA,’” said Thompson, 58. But, she said, as they attended multiple seminars and continued to get upsold to put down more money, they got little in return.

“We’ve been asking for our money back for five years now,” she said.

The New York case

New York’s state attorney general filed a $40-million lawsuit in 2013 on similar grounds. He says many students expected to meet Trump during seminars but instead got a picture on a life-size cardboard cutout.


“While consumers were encouraged to call their credit card companies during breaks to increase their credit limits to have access to funds to do real estate deals, the real reason Trump University asked consumers to request higher credit limits was so they could use the credit to pay for the expensive Elite programs,” the attorney general’s office said.

Trump again fired back with a defamation complaint, this time against New York Atty. Gen. Eric Schneiderman, but it was dismissed.

That lawsuit, and several warnings from the state’s Education Department, prompted the unlicensed online school to drop “University” from its title. Trump renamed it the Trump Entrepreneur Initiative, although the school has not operated since 2010.

Rest of article in the link.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-trump-university-lawsuit-donald-trump-20160226-story.html
 

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The truth about Donald Trump's career: It's complicated

NEW YORK (AP) — To his supporters, the business career of Donald Trump is proof he's got the decisiveness and smarts required to lead the country. To critics, his exaggerated claims, burned customers and four bankruptcies suggest a man wholly disqualified for the office.

The truth: It's complicated.

Criticized by Republican rivals for his crude comments and what they call iffy conservative credentials, Trump now finds his business acumen in the political crosshairs. Florida Sen. Marco Rubio has started calling Trump a "con artist" who has been "sticking it to the little guy" as he built his empire, and says he would be "selling watches in Manhattan" if he hadn't gotten help from his millionaire father.

Trump's business record gives Super Tuesday voters inclined to praise or condemn his boardroom bona fides a way to support either view.

Gutsy, shrewd and armed with an uncanny sense of timing, Trump built a business that spans the globe, much bigger in scope and riches than when he took it over from his father. Yet some of his failures have been as spectacular as his successes, and he's stiffed creditors and has licensed his name in ways that raise questions about his judgment.

"Donald has proven himself an innovative and smart businessman," says real estate developer Don Peebles, a registered Democrat who does not plan on voting for Trump if he makes it to the general election. "I respect and admire what he's accomplished."

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The fortune built by Trump's father, estimated at several hundred million dollars, came from low- and middle-income housing in Brooklyn and Queens. Trump wanted more. So he bet big on much richer Manhattan, a risk for the son of an outer-borough builder.

Two early ventures: Turning around the former Commodore Hotel at Grand Central Station, with help from tax subsidies, and buying a train yard out of bankruptcy across town, then getting New York to put a convention center there.

He was bold and creative. He put his name on luxury condo buildings, gambling that buyers would share his unabashed love of glitz and excess. It was a branding strategy like that used by giant hotel chains — Conrad Hilton had done it with Hilton Hotels — but it had never really succeeded in luxury residential buildings.

His timing was near perfect. He began construction in 1980 on his signature Fifth Avenue building, Trump Tower, just as New York City began a long boom following a brush with bankruptcy.

He put up more buildings, bought an airline and rolled the dice in another industry — casinos. In 1984, he opened the Trump Plaza in Atlantic City, New Jersey, and he opened Trump's Castle the following year. In 1991, he took an especially big risk to build the Trump Taj Mahal. He personally guaranteed loans used to develop the project, putting his own fortune on the line if things went sour.

They did. As the U.S. muddled through a recession, Trump was unable to make good on billions of dollars of debt. He put two of his casinos into bankruptcy, sold the airline, threatened to tie up his creditors in court and cajoled and blustered his way into deals that erased much of the guarantees on the Taj Mahal that endangered his personal wealth.

The bankruptcies — four in all, stretching over nearly a decade — left many casino lenders and vendors bitter. They got just pennies on each dollar they were owed.

Trump makes no apologies. He says he uses the laws of the land, including the bankruptcy law, to his advantage.


"People forget that he left bondholders out to dry ... that these were not victimless events," says Michael D'Antonio, author of the Trump biography "Never Enough." He views Trump as a "competent" businessman but no genius. "When he tried to do other kinds of business — airlines and casinos — he stumbled." Trump began building again. In 2001, he completed the 90-story residential Trump World Tower in New York City. Then, three years later, he discovered a flair for reality TV with the launch of "The Apprentice" on NBC.

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As his celebrity star rose, Trump moved to squeeze more dollars out of his name.

These days, you can drink Trump bottled water in your Trump suit with sun glinting off your Trump cufflinks while reading one of his books — perhaps "The Art of the Deal," a best seller.

And you can do it sitting in one of the many Trump-labeled hotels or residential towers across the globe. He has struck deals to put his name on properties built and owned by others in Panama, Uruguay, Turkey, India and the Philippines.

As he has extended his brand, he's faced criticism that he's gotten careless, or worse.

He invested in a health products company that extolled the wonders of taking Trump-branded vitamins based on people's urine samples. The business struggled, and Trump sold it a few years later.

Trump Mortgage, which the candidate predicted would soon be the country's largest home loan provider, fizzled out after the man he hired to run it stepped down following revelations that he'd inflated his resume.

Rubio has focused in the past several days on Trump University, which charged students $1,495 each for seminars that would teach them the billionaire's secrets to making it big in real estate. A lawsuit filed by the New York attorney general claims the classes fell so short of promises that it amounts to fraud.

"This is a guy who says he stands for the working class," Rubio said Saturday. "When in fact his entire business career, he's been sticking it to working-class Americans."

It's clearly struck a nerve with Trump, who spent a large part of his time defending the business while campaigning on Saturday. He called the litigation "a small deal, very small" and told supporters he could have settled but is continuing to fight on principle.

Trump also railed against the California judge presiding over the civil suit, calling him hostile and noting his Hispanic ethnicity. Trump said of the judge: "I believe he happens to be Spanish, which is fine. He's Hispanic — which is fine."

That drew a reply for New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman, who said "there is no place in this process for racial demagoguery."

Trump has also left bitter feelings at residential towers that bear his name but which he didn't build. Condo buyers in failed Trump-branded properties in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, and Baja, Mexico, have claimed in lawsuits that the presidential candidate misled them to believe he was deeply involved in the projects, not just lending his name. Trump won the Fort Lauderdale case and settled the one in Baja.

As the Trump candidacy gains momentum, even early Trump triumphs are getting new scrutiny.

The Rubio campaign is highlighting a 1983 lawsuit by union laborers who helped build Trump Tower. Polish laborers living in the U.S. illegally were paid "substandard" wages with no overtime, and paid "irregularly if at all," according to a judge hearing the case. In his campaign, Trump has taken a hard line on employers who pass over Americans for workers living in the U.S. illegally.

The candidate has maintained he had no knowledge of his contractor's activities, though the presence of the "Polish Brigade" was overt, with more than 200 men working 12-hour days, some sleeping at the construction site during the demolition of the building the Trump Tower replaced. The judge hearing the case found Trump had engaged in a "conspiracy" to shortchange union workers. Trump appealed, then settled and sealed the case.

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For Trump, there's perhaps nothing as important as the idea he's a winner — especially in business.

"I'm really rich," Trump declared in his speech announcing his candidacy last year. He added, "I've done an amazing job."

For a man who measures his success in dollars, Trump has managed to grow them substantially.

"Amazing" is more debatable.

According to Forbes magazine, Trump's wealth has risen to $4.5 billion from $1 billion in 1988, a 350 percent gain. That's half of what he would have earned if he had invested in a broad U.S. stock index, and that doesn't count dividends.

Other moguls have been more amazing. Donald Bren, a California developer who Forbes says is worth $15 billion, has increased his wealth at twice the pace in that time — a nearly 700 percent gain.

Trump, by the way, says Forbes is all wrong.

"I borrowed a tiny amount of money, $1 million," he said Saturday. "I started a business. It's worth much more than $10 billion right now."
 

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Ted Cruz Skyrockets In Polls

Ted Cruz Skyrockets In Polls

HOUSTON—Bouncing back from a disappointing third-place finish in the Nevada caucuses, Republican presidential candidate Ted Cruz reportedly surged in the polls this week after having his head permanently sealed inside a 2-inch-thick iron mask. “Cruz has found new life with voters and is currently riding a wave of popularity into Super Tuesday’s primaries after his team made the shrewd strategic move to enclose the candidate’s head inside a 60-pound cylinder of wrought iron,” said political commentator Leslie Morrison, noting that voters have responded extremely favorably to the Texas senator’s face being completely concealed from view and every one of his talking points rendered inaudible by the thick iron casing surrounding his face. “Whether it’s the fear visible in his eyes through the thin slit in his mask, his muffled screams for help, or his repeated and entirely futile attempts to pry the riveted-shut metal covering off his head, people are finally seeing Cruz in a way that really resonates with them.” The latest polls released Tuesday showed Cruz climbing another 10 points after the dehydrated, staggering candidate toppled over at a campaign rally and was too weak to lift his heavy, iron-encased head back up off the floor.
 

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It is.

Just horrific.

I am just hoping against hope Bloomberg says eff it and declares himself a candidate and runs as an independent.
Im at the point of hoping Romney does or something.

It would take some sort of brokered convention. It would probably take a guy like him too-- someone to convince the establishment, "ok, these new guys didn't get the job done, but everyone will get behind the guy we nominated last time." Rubio and Cruz stand down and the party turns on Trump.

Romney is seen as such a savior he gets a press bump and then beats out Hillary as well.
 
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Im at the point of hoping Romney does or something.

It would take some sort of brokered convention. It would probably take a guy like him too-- someone to convince the establishment, "ok, these new guys didn't get the job done, but everyone will get behind the guy we nominated last time." Rubio and Cruz stand down and the party turns on Trump.

Romney is seen as such a savior he gets a press bump and then beats out Hillary as well.
Not gonna happen. The Republicans have played out their hand, and they've lost the nomination. Their only move is to try to absolutely bury him during the general election and lick their wounds for 2020. Best case scenario, Trump's William Jennings Bryan and he suffers a humiliating loss that takes the wind out of any future "antiestablishment" movement.
 

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Best case scenario, Trump's William Jennings Bryan and he suffers a humiliating loss that takes the wind out of any future "antiestablishment" movement.
Well best case scenario would probably be that Trump wins the election and actually does a great job as President and we realize most of his antics were just a show. But that's just me.
 

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Well best case scenario would probably be that Trump wins the election and actually does a great job as President and we realize most of his antics were just a show. But that's just me.
Well I'm trying to stay within the bounds of reality. Meditating on any salvation by fantastic and impossible situations like fairies granting wishes or Trump being a good president is an exercise in futility
 

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Well I'm trying to stay within the bounds of reality. Meditating on any salvation by fantastic and impossible situations like fairies granting wishes or Trump being a good president is an exercise in futility
Gonna build a wall and make the Mexicans pay for it, by God!!

Gonna ban Muslims from immigrating, by God!!

Gonna bring back torture and kill terrorist's families, by God!!!

Millions of stupid, ignorant people are eating this shit up.

All he needs is a Larry the Cable guy accent instead of the New York one.
 

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Gonna build a wall and make the Mexicans pay for it, by God!!

Gonna ban Muslims from immigrating, by God!!

Gonna bring back torture and kill terrorist's families, by God!!!

Millions of stupid, ignorant people are eating this shit up.

All he needs is a Larry the Cable guy accent instead of the New York one.
And none of that would actually happen if he became President.
 

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And none of that would actually happen if he became President.
I suspect he'll mostly be ineffectual since congress would cut his balls off. I will say Trump may unintentionally broker partisanship between the legislature like we've never seen before. We might see the end of presidential powers as we know them.
 

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Is Steve Christie sucking up to be Trump's running mate?
 

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Time for Rubio to drop out before he gets embarrassed in his home state. If this is a two man race, Cruz can beat Trump and Hillary. If Rubio stays in splitting the non-Trump vote,Trump wins. Hillary will then win in November in a landslide as millions of Conservatives do not vote for President. There is no way Trump can win unless he pulls votes away from the Democrats and I do not see that happening.
 
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