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    Quote Originally Posted by Angrymesscan View Post
    And we're back to acreage instead of people...
    No the area isn’t counted the number of people in the area is what is counted. If it were acrage then if twenty people were living on one acre and down the road six people were living on one acre then both would have the same representatioon but it’s not the acre that is counted, it’s the people inhabiting it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BipolarFan View Post
    Maybe once upon a time we were the greatest at something.

    I'd put us, as a country, equivalent to Rome when Nero came to power.

    Rome bounced back after Nero, so there's hope.
    Yep. Trump will make America great again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by L.T. Fan View Post
    No the area isn’t counted the number of people in the area is what is counted. If it were acrage then if twenty people were living on one acre and down the road six people were living on one acre then both would have the same representatioon but it’s not the acre that is counted, it’s the people inhabiting it.
    So how did 3 million votes get "thrown out"?
    Does every electoral vote represent the same amount of people?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angrymesscan View Post
    So how did 3 million votes get "thrown out"?
    Does every electoral vote represent the same amount of people?
    I guess if you're gonna call anything 'unfair' about the electoral college, it'd be that the smallest population states get a higher percentage of electoral votes than their population percentage should yield, taking away those electoral votes from the highest population states.

    This is because all states, regardless of population, get 2 votes (per Senator) and then the remaining votes are per percentage based upon census. So, a state could have population of 1 person and it'd get 2 votes versus a state that actually had 1.15M population to 'deserve' those 2 votes.

    As a result, states that gain the most electoral votes are Rhode Island, Wyoming, Vermont, Nebraska, North Dakota, W VA, Alaska, Maine, New Hampshire, Hawaii, South Dakota. States that lose the most electoral votes are California, Texas, NY, Florida.

    However, this didn't make the difference in the 2016 election (or maybe any election, for that matter).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angrymesscan View Post
    So how did 3 million votes get "thrown out"?
    Does every electoral vote represent the same amount of people?
    With our system, I believe you could win the popular vote by 51 votes (assuming 1 more per state & DC), but win 100% of the electoral votes.

    Consider an NFL analogy with a team missing the playoffs because they're the 3rd non-division-winning team with an 11-5 record, while a 7-9 division winner hosts a playoff game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angrymesscan View Post
    So how did 3 million votes get "thrown out"?
    Does every electoral vote represent the same amount of people?
    No votes got thrown out. Everyone's vote helped decide who their state would vote for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angrymesscan View Post
    So how did 3 million votes get "thrown out"?
    Does every electoral vote represent the same amount of people?
    They were not thrown out. Votes by the population doesn’t elect the President. The votes are for a member to be named to the electoral college . The votes from those individuals elect the President.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowboysrock55 View Post
    No votes got thrown out. Everyone's vote helped decide who their state would vote for.
    Quote Originally Posted by L.T. Fan View Post
    They were not thrown out. Votes by the population doesn’t elect the President. The votes are for a member to be named to the electoral college . The votes from those individuals elect the President.
    Instead of state popular vote taking all electoral votes, it'd be interesting to see what the results would be if states' electoral votes were divvied up proportionally to its popular vote percentage-wise.

    I'm sure someone's calculated this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pdom View Post
    Instead of state popular vote taking all electoral votes, it'd be interesting to see what the results would be if states' electoral votes were divvied up proportionally to its popular vote percentage-wise.

    I'm sure someone's calculated this.
    That's what Nebraska and Maine do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pdom View Post
    Instead of state popular vote taking all electoral votes, it'd be interesting to see what the results would be if states' electoral votes were divvied up proportionally to its popular vote percentage-wise.

    I'm sure someone's calculated this.
    Found this...

    I calculated the vote allocation using the Webster/Sainte-LaguŽ method (based on results as of November 9, 2016) applied to each individual state:

    • Clinton 263
    • Trump 262
    • Johnson 10
    • Stein 2
    • McMullin 1

    In the spirit of the Electoral College giving less populous states a boost in the vote, I altered the formula to award 2 votes per state to the winner of the popular vote of that state, and the remainder allocated via Webster/Sainte-LaguŽ:

    • Trump 269
    • Clinton 259
    • Johnson 7
    • Stein 2
    • McMullin 1

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