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    Quote Originally Posted by 2233boys View Post
    You can't do that being the only country involved backing out of the agreement. We have no power and our sanctions are meaningless.
    We can damn sure back out of our part of the agreement, and if you think those sanctions are meaningless, we might as well not continue this conversation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iamtdg View Post
    We can damn sure back out of our part of the agreement, and if you think those sanctions are meaningless, we might as well not continue this conversation.
    We are the world leaders, if we back out it is likely the deal collapses without us. So we had them complying with not furthering their nuclear program from all reporting, but we pulled out anyway.

    If the deal continues, and the other countries and Iran stay in the deal, and we are the only ones applying the sanctions, yeah our sanctions are pretty much meaningless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2233boys View Post
    We are the world leaders, if we back out it is likely the deal collapses without us. So we had them complying with not furthering their nuclear program from all reporting, but we pulled out anyway.

    If the deal continues, and the other countries and Iran stay in the deal, and we are the only ones applying the sanctions, yeah our sanctions are pretty much meaningless.
    They said they would double their uranium output in 2 weeks or some shit like that. You mean to tell me they were complying? Come on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BipolarFan View Post
    Don't forget the super liberal US attorney for the southern district of NY that was appointed by Trump whose team raided Cohen.


    Uh, no.

    Try Geoffrey S. Berman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2233boys View Post
    No I would work to try and make it better from a position of power, not from a position of weakness.
    Not sure what this means. Are you saying that because the US refused to be part of a bad deal they suddenly became weaker. How so?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BipolarFan View Post


    Uh, no.

    Try Geoffrey S. Berman.
    Then what is the significance of this individual.? That individual was engaged by Mueller to look for something on Cohen. It is unknown what Mueller was asking him to do. It was obviously a fishing trip for something but it isn’t known at this point what the thrust was other than obtaining information on the Porn Queen. It is obvious however that it has nothing to to do with the engagement to look into the Russian influence or collusion. It called grasping at straws.
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    Quote Originally Posted by L.T. Fan View Post
    Maybe then you can explain why he is sitting on the investigation that has been underway for an extended time and has not addressed the issue of the actual engagement. There is nothing that has any indication of what he is looking for other than proferial issues that really do not dovetail. As a former Federal investigator and Section Chief of an Investigative group I think I am safe in saying it is glaringly apparently that the collusion matter is at a dead end and Mueller is skipping around in areas trying to find anything to keep the process going. He is stonewalling Congress and refuses to give a report on his engagement. This isnít kosher and if you can explain why his actions are as they are then maybe you can change my mind.
    First, you have no earthly idea what information or evidence Mueller has and all of these assumptions you're making about him sitting on things and fishing is nothing but supposition based on what drips out through the media. And I'm certain we don't hear about things until months after the investigation does, so we have no clue how far down the rabbit hole the investigation currently is or what they're finding/have found. Just this week information came out regarding money being funneled to Cohen through a company with ties to a Russian oligarch, when did the investigation become aware of this? What steps have they taken? Was it tied to their raid on Cohen's office? Almost certainly, but neither you, me or anybody else that isn't intimately involved with the investigation has a clue. To pass judgment on how the investigation is being conducted when you have literally no clue of any of the details is ridiculous.

    Second, the memo appointing Mueller clearly states he may pursue "any matters that arose or arise directly from the investigation" and that the special counsel is "authorized to prosecute federal crimes arising from the investigation of these matters".

    That gives Mueller the authority to chase down crimes that are uncovered as a result of the investigation, just because "collusion" is what prompted the investigation in the first place does not mean that the scope of the investigation is strictly limited to "collusion" no matter what you, Hannity, Trump, or anybody else wants to believe.

    Lastly, it's been reported that Mueller is planning on filing a report by July, he was only appointed on 5/17/18, so it hasn't even been a full year and assuming it's wrapped up by July that's only 14 months. That's hardly an unreasonable amount of time for an investigation as sensitive as this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleton View Post
    First, you have no earthly idea what information or evidence Mueller has and all of these assumptions you're making about him sitting on things and fishing is nothing but supposition based on what drips out through the media. And I'm certain we don't hear about things until months after the investigation does, so we have no clue how far down the rabbit hole the investigation currently is or what they're finding/have found. Just this week information came out regarding money being funneled to Cohen through a company with ties to a Russian oligarch, when did the investigation become aware of this? What steps have they taken? Was it tied to their raid on Cohen's office? Almost certainly, but neither you, me or anybody else that isn't intimately involved with the investigation has a clue. To pass judgment on how the investigation is being conducted when you have literally no clue of any of the details is ridiculous.

    Second, the memo appointing Mueller clearly states he may pursue "any matters that arose or arise directly from the investigation" and that the special counsel is "authorized to prosecute federal crimes arising from the investigation of these matters".

    That gives Mueller the authority to chase down crimes that are uncovered as a result of the investigation, just because "collusion" is what prompted the investigation in the first place does not mean that the scope of the investigation is strictly limited to "collusion" no matter what you, Hannity, Trump, or anybody else wants to believe.

    Lastly, it's been reported that Mueller is planning on filing a report by July, he was only appointed on 5/17/18, so it hasn't even been a full year and assuming it's wrapped up by July that's only 14 months. That's hardly an unreasonable amount of time for an investigation as sensitive as this.
    You are wrong that I have no idea of what Muller does or doesn’t have and if you think it through then maybe you will a least contend that there is possibility of suspicion.

    First of all Comey investigated the Trump Collusion matter for several months and stated himself that there was no evidence in that regard and even stated that Trump wasn’t being investigated. Mueller has all of the work product of Comeys group. He obviously has not found anything in that regard or he would have passed it along to his Superior/Overseer already. Instead he has stonewalled and thumbed his nose at Congress. If he had anything tangible it would be in his best interest to confidentially release it to the parties that are currently threatening to impeach Rosenstien who is his Director. I think that I understand the process of the patterns of this engagement and so far an conclude that it isn’t shaking out in a manner that Mueller has a “Trump” card.

    The only thing that has been exposed is that the investigation is spending its time and resources looking for something to try to keep their engagement alive.

    Finally, yes the engagement gives authority to investigate crimes that arise but very recently a judge slapped the groups hands and proclaimed what they were doing was not in pursuit of crimes but rather in pursuit of trying to find a crime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleton View Post
    What do you call Fox peddling conspiracy theories?
    If there "news" shows are doing it then yes, but keep in mind, most of the fox shows aren't straight up news shows they are all political commentary. But not all are Republican supporters. Hell, Sheppard Smith hates everything Trump does, or seems to. But even then, most of the Fox shows have libs on there for opposing opinions.

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