User Tag List

Page 12 of 494 FirstFirst ... 210111213142262112 ... LastLast
Results 111 to 120 of 4939

Thread: Trump Thread...

  1. #111
    Senior Member Kbrown's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Posts
    1,918
    My play would be to forego the wall in favor of putting the majority of the US military's weight behind border protection.

    A nation's military directly defending its borders. I know, crazy!

  2. The following user likes this post:


  3. #112
    Senior Member townsend's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Posts
    5,126
    Quote Originally Posted by Kbrown View Post
    My play would be to forego the wall in favor of putting the majority of the US military's weight behind border protection.

    A nation's military directly defending its borders. I know, crazy!
    I think there's a dangerous precedent in deploying troops for domestic enforcement.

  4. #113
    Senior Member L.T. Fan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Posts
    15,074
    Quote Originally Posted by townsend View Post
    It addresses things that we could have spent money on that would actually help people. If we spent all the money that would be wasted on a 2000 mile money pit on something useful, like curing fucking cancer, people could actually be helped by their govt, and their tax dollars would actually be working for them.

    Frankly if we wanted more border security we should be investing in drones not bricks, since anyone can climb over a wall, tunnel under a wall, or most likely, fly in legally and overstay their visa. Because we already had a border fence and learned how completely ineffective it was.
    Well then start a topic about what budget money should be spent for. The topic I addressed pertained to border security and building a wall.
    Since Day One

  5. #114
    Senior Member Cowboysrock55's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Posts
    19,750
    Quote Originally Posted by townsend View Post
    I think there's a dangerous precedent in deploying troops for domestic enforcement.
    Why is that? Having troops defending the country from foreign invaders seems to make perfect logical sense. Even if those foreign invaders might be sneaking in for non threatening purposes.

  6. #115
    Senior Member Cowboysrock55's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Posts
    19,750
    Quote Originally Posted by townsend View Post
    It addresses things that we could have spent money on that would actually help people. If we spent all the money that would be wasted on a 2000 mile money pit on something useful, like curing fucking cancer, people could actually be helped by their govt, and their tax dollars would actually be working for them.

    Frankly if we wanted more border security we should be investing in drones not bricks, since anyone can climb over a wall, tunnel under a wall, or most likely, fly in legally and overstay their visa. Because we already had a border fence and learned how completely ineffective it was.
    We also spent a small fortune on a total joke of a jet that will never be used. What was it, 400 billion on the F-35? If you're looking for government waste there are offenses far worse then an actual physical border as opposed to an imaginary one.

  7. #116
    Senior Member townsend's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Posts
    5,126
    Quote Originally Posted by Cowboysrock55 View Post
    We also spent a small fortune on a total joke of a jet that will never be used. What was it, 400 billion on the F-35? If you're looking for government waste there are offenses far worse then an actual physical border as opposed to an imaginary one.
    Oh, I'm no fan of the absurd waste in the military industrial complex (though as a citizen of Fort Worth I probably indirectly benefit from the F-35 money pit.)

    I think there's plenty we could do to reign in military spending. But I highly doubt any of that gets done in the next 4 years. In fact most Trump voters I've spoken with want more military spending.

    That's the point, for all the so called fiscal conservatism republicans pretend to preach, they only want to cut purse strings to comparatively cheap social programs, they've never seen a deficit they didn't want to inflate.

  8. #117
    Senior Member townsend's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Posts
    5,126
    Quote Originally Posted by Cowboysrock55 View Post
    Why is that? Having troops defending the country from foreign invaders seems to make perfect logical sense. Even if those foreign invaders might be sneaking in for non threatening purposes.
    There's a fine line between border enforcement and martial law. Normalizing military presence and authority among civilian population sneaks a toe over the line, military isn't law enforcement and law enforcement isn't the military, the more those lines blur the closer you come to authoritarianism.

    Rights of citizens not withstanding, it's a bad decision to put combatants in place to enforce a border, this isn't the battle of the bulge. Maybe some specialized forces to hunt down cartel operatives, but if we find ourselves using Pvt. Pyle to maintain our border security it will end badly.

  9. #118
    Senior Member L.T. Fan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Posts
    15,074
    Quote Originally Posted by townsend View Post
    There's a fine line between border enforcement and martial law. Normalizing military presence and authority among civilian population sneaks a toe over the line, military isn't law enforcement and law enforcement isn't the military, the more those lines blur the closer you come to authoritarianism.

    Rights of citizens not withstanding, it's a bad decision to put combatants in place to enforce a border, this isn't the battle of the bulge. Maybe some specialized forces to hunt down cartel operatives, but if we find ourselves using Pvt. Pyle to maintain our border security it will end badly.
    While I agree that the circumstances you outline is cause to be concerned, it would be a greater waste to have military troops who are not engaged just sitting on the dock of the bay wasting time . Perhaps a special circumstance deployment could be devised to temporarily assign military troops to the supervision of civil agencies for border security.

    They would be under someone else's command for a certain amount of time with certain and specialized duties. In other words a TDY status. When I worked for the Government, Task Force groups were created for certain specialized duties and various agencies were asked to commit Human Resources to the task. The personnel were put on assignment and reported to the person and agency in charge to utilize at their direction.

    Simply because a person is classified as military doesn't mean that they cannot be utilized for domestic security.
    Since Day One

  10. #119
    Senior Member townsend's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Posts
    5,126
    Quote Originally Posted by L.T. Fan View Post
    While I agree that the circumstances you outline is cause to be concerned, it would be a greater waste to have military troops who are not engaged just sitting on the dock of the bay wasting time . Perhaps a special circumstance deployment could be devised to temporarily assign military troops to the supervision of civil agencies for border security.

    They would be under someone else's command for a certain amount of time with certain and specialized duties. In other words a TDY status. When I worked for the Government, Task Force groups were created for certain specialized duties and various agencies were asked to commit Human Resources to the task. The personnel were put on assignment and reported to the person and agency in charge to utilize at their direction.

    Simply because a person is classified as military doesn't mean that they cannot be utilized for domestic security.
    I can agree with that. If they're assigned under a completely different chain of command, where they are directly under civilian authority, and it's just a redistribution of man power that would be less concerning. I just don't want an occupation force sitting in Laredo, with more or less the same organizational structure as it had would have in Falluja.

  11. #120
    Administrator boozeman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Posts
    42,928
    Can someone explain why the President Elect is tweeting about feeling judged by Meryl Streep?

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •