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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowboysrock55 View Post
    No but as we saw last night, Lawrence can be a pretty damn good pass rusher. The problem is teams are able to sort of double team him because we don't have any real pass rush threat on the opposite side. One on one he destroyed Clemmings. So eventually the Vikes started using two guys on that side to block him. Crawford isn't a bad LE but he isn't a consistent pass rusher there at all. I'd really like someone who can force offenses to pay some attention in that spot. Having someone like Charlton who can win with his length, power and athletic ability would be kind of nice.

    Of course if you get one of those smaller speed guys like you mention you just put Lawrence at LE and let those guys play RE and it's the same concept.
    Yea, I think Lawrence is better suited for the left side so that's why I'd prefer a smaller, more explosive right DE type, but beggars can't be choosers so I'd be fine with Charlton for the most part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jiggyfly View Post
    You take him in 1st over a defensive player?
    Yes, if he is the best player. Not taking a defender just because.

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    In case anyone is curious here is Kipers top players by position that just came out on December 1st as well.

    Top 10 prospects at each position for 2017 NFL draft
    Mel Kiper Jr.


    Time for another edition of my position rankings for the 2017 NFL draft. Dig in.

    One asterisk denotes a junior, and two asterisks denote a redshirt sophomore for the 2016 season.

    Quarterbacks

    1. *Mitch Trubisky, North Carolina
    2. *Patrick Mahomes, Texas Tech
    3. *Luke Falk, Washington State
    4. **DeShone Kizer, Notre Dame
    5. *Deshaun Watson, Clemson
    6. *Brad Kaaya, Miami (Fla.)
    7. *Baker Mayfield, Oklahoma
    8. *Mason Rudolph, Oklahoma State
    9. Antonio Pipkin, Tiffin
    10. Davis Webb, California

    Watson (6-foot-3, 215 pounds) keeps falling here. The 27 interceptions in the past two seasons are a problem. Pipkin (6-3, 225) went 8-3 with the Dragons in the Great Lakes Intercollegiate Athletic Conference (GLIAC), their first winning season since joining in 2007. He completed 64.9 percent of his passes for 2,534 yards with 25 touchdowns and six interceptions. He had another seven rushing touchdowns. Pipkin also played two seasons on the Dragons' basketball team.


    Running backs

    Kiper's 2017 Big Board: Stellar RB class taking shape
    You might already know about LSU star Leonard Fournette, but two more star running backs make Mel Kiper's updated ranking of the top 25 prospects for the 2017 draft.
    1. *Leonard Fournette, LSU
    2. *Dalvin Cook, Florida State
    3. *D'Onta Foreman, Texas
    4. *Christian McCaffrey, Stanford
    5. *Akrum Wadley, Iowa
    6. *Royce Freeman, Oregon
    7. *Wayne Gallman, Clemson
    8. Matthew Dayes, NC State
    9. *James Conner, Pittsburgh
    10. Corey Clement, Wisconsin

    Foreman (6-1, 249), who declared for the draft Wednesday, made his debut in my latest Big Board. Wadley has rushed for 966 yards and 10 touchdowns for the Hawkeyes, and he also has 32 catches and three TDs.

    Fullbacks

    1. *Jaylen Samuels, NC State
    2. Sam Rogers, Virginia Tech
    3. *Khalid Hill, Michigan
    4. Nate Iese, UCLA
    5. *Dimitri Flowers, Oklahoma
    6. *Austin Ramesh, Wisconsin
    7. Anthony Firkser, Harvard
    8. Christopher Herndon, Miami (Fla.)
    9. *Christian Payne, Georgia
    10. *Daniel Marx, Stanford

    I just love Hill's stat line this season: 25 carries, 39 yards and 10 touchdowns, with a longest run of four yards. The 6-2, 263-pounder has some hands, too -- he has 14 catches for 105 yards and another two scores.

    Wide receivers

    1. *Mike Williams, Clemson
    2. *John Ross, Washington
    3. Corey Davis, Western Michigan
    4. *JuJu Smith-Schuster, USC
    5. *Curtis Samuel, Ohio State
    6. *Isaiah Ford, Virginia Tech
    7. Dede Westbrook, Oklahoma
    8. Stacy Coley, Miami (Fla.)
    9. Amara Darboh, Michigan
    10. Cooper Kupp, Eastern Washington

    Health has been an issue for Coley (6-1, 195), but he's a talented player. He had eight total touchdowns as a freshman in 2013, and he has another nine this season.


    Michael Roberts caught 15 touchdowns for the Rockets in 2016. Scott W. Grau/Icon Sportswire
    Tight ends

    1. *Bucky Hodges, Virginia Tech
    2. O.J. Howard, Alabama
    3. Jake Butt, Michigan
    4. Cole Hikutini, Louisville
    5. Jordan Leggett, Clemson
    6. Evan Engram, Mississippi
    7. Jeremy Sprinkle, Arkansas
    8. Pharaoh Brown, Oregon
    9. Gerald Everett, South Alabama
    10. Michael Roberts, Toledo

    This tight end class is really good. Roberts (6-5, 270) has ridiculous numbers this season: 43 catches for 514 yards and 15 touchdowns.

    Offensive tackles

    1. *Cam Robinson, Alabama
    2. *Ryan Ramczyk, Wisconsin
    3. *Mike McGlinchey, Notre Dame
    4. **Orlando Brown, Oklahoma
    5. *Garett Bolles, Utah
    6. Dion Dawkins, Temple
    7. *Roderick Johnson, Florida State
    8. Taylor Moton, Western Michigan
    9. Zach Banner, USC
    10. Dan Skipper, Arkansas

    This offensive tackle class is very young, and there isn't a sure-fire, top-five pick in the group. Bolles (6-5, 300) is a first-year starter for the Utes after transferring from junior college. He can move defenders.

    Offensive guards

    1. **Quenton Nelson, Notre Dame
    2. *Billy Price, Ohio State
    3. Forrest Lamp, Western Kentucky
    4. Dan Feeney, Indiana
    5. Dorian Johnson, Pittsburgh
    6. *Braden Smith, Auburn
    7. Nico Siragusa, San Diego State
    8. *Damien Mama, USC
    9. Greg Pyke, Georgia
    10. Josh Boutte, LSU

    I'm a big fan of Lamp (6-3, 300). He could be a starting guard in the NFL immediately.

    Centers

    1. Ethan Pocic, LSU
    2. Pat Elflein, Ohio State
    3. *Mason Cole, Michigan
    4. Tyler Orlosky, West Virginia
    5. *Frank Ragnow, Arkansas
    6. Jon Toth, Kentucky
    7. *Bradley Bozeman, Alabama
    8. Chase Roullier, Wyoming
    9. Cameron Tom, Southern Mississippi
    10. Kyle Fuller, Baylor

    Not a lot of movement here in the past few updates. Pocic (6-7, 302) and Elflein (6-3, 300) are fighting for the top spot.


    K-State's Jordan Willis has 25.5 career sacks. Scott Sewell/USA TODAY Sports

    Defensive ends

    1. *Myles Garrett, Texas A&M
    2. Jonathan Allen, Alabama
    3. Takkarist McKinley, UCLA
    4. *Derek Barnett, Tennessee
    5. *Charles Harris, Missouri
    6. Taco Charlton, Michigan
    7. **Solomon Thomas, Stanford
    8. *Carl Lawson, Auburn
    9. Jordan Willis, Kansas State
    10. DeMarcus Walker, Florida State

    This is a great class for pass-rushers. Willis (6-5, 250) led the Big 12 in sacks with 10.5.

    Defensive tackles

    1. *Malik McDowell, Michigan State
    2. *Caleb Brantley, Florida
    3. *Elijah Qualls, Washington
    4. *Charles Walker, Oklahoma
    5. Ryan Glasgow, Michigan
    6. Montravius Adams, Auburn
    7. Chris Wormley, Michigan
    8. Carlos Watkins, Clemson
    9. *Davon Godchaux, LSU
    10. Jarron Jones, Notre Dame

    Brantley (6-2, 300) is the big mover here, up from No. 5 and now in my Big Board.

    Inside linebackers

    1. Reuben Foster, Alabama
    2. *Raekwon McMillan, Ohio State
    3. *Zach Cunningham, Vanderbilt
    4. Kendell Beckwith, LSU
    5. *Azeem Victor, Washington
    6. *Anthony Walker, Northwestern
    7. Ben Gedeon, Michigan
    8. *Shaun Dion Hamilton, Alabama
    9. Keith Kelsey, Louisville
    10. Hardy Nickerson, Illinois

    Foster (6-1, 240) is in a class by himself at the top, but keep an eye on Cunningham (6-4, 225), who is a tremendous athlete.


    Temple pass-rusher Haason Reddick was named to the AAC all-conference first team. Photo by Andy Lewis/Icon Sportswire
    Outside linebackers

    1. Tim Williams, Alabama
    2. Ryan Anderson, Alabama
    3. Jarrad Davis, Florida
    4. Steven Taylor, Houston
    5. Haason Reddick, Temple
    6. Vince Biegel, Wisconsin
    7. Devonte Fields, Louisville
    8. Jalen Reeves-Maybin, Tennessee
    9. *Marquis Haynes, Mississippi
    10. *T.J. Watt, Wisconsin

    Reddick (6-1, 215) has 9.5 sacks and three forced fumbles for the Owls. With Reddick and Dawkins, my No. 6 offensive tackle, Temple has some talent.

    Cornerbacks

    1. **Marshon Lattimore, Ohio State
    2. **Marlon Humphrey, Alabama
    3. *Teez Tabor, Florida
    4. *Quincy Wilson, Florida
    5. Tre'Davious White, LSU
    6. Jourdan Lewis, Michigan
    7. Cordrea Tankersley, Clemson
    8. *Sidney Jones, Washington
    9. Desmond King, Iowa
    10. *Adoree' Jackson, USC

    Jackson is so dynamic, but size (5-11, 185) is an issue. He has an NFL future as a returner.

    Safeties

    1. **Jabrill Peppers, Michigan
    2. *Jamal Adams, LSU
    3. *Budda Baker, Washington
    4. **Malik Hooker, Ohio State
    5. Marcus Maye, Florida
    6. Eddie Jackson, Alabama
    7. Chidobe Awuzie, Colorado
    8. Justin Evans, Texas A&M
    9. *Marcus Williams, Utah
    10. Johnathan Ford, Auburn

    Baker jumped into the top three after a huge performance in the Apple Cup (one interception, eight tackles). He's not big -- 5-10, 173 -- but he's a playmaker.

    Kickers and punters

    1. *Daniel Carlson, Auburn (kicker)
    2. Zane Gonzalez, Arizona State (kicker)
    3. *JK Scott, Alabama (punter)
    4. *Johnny Townsend, Florida (punter)
    5. *Trevor Daniel, Tennessee (punter)
    6. Jake Elliott, Memphis (kicker)
    7. Cameron Johnston, Ohio State (punter)
    8. *Jonathan Barnes, Louisiana Tech (kicker)
    9. Justin Vogel, Miami (Fla.) (punter)
    10. Austin Rehkow, Idaho (kicker & punter)

    Auburn isn't afraid to let Gonzalez have a go from distance. The senior is 7-of-9 on kicks of more than 50 yards this season, and he is the NCAA record holder for field goals in a career.

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    Taco Charlton - Yes Please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boozeman View Post
    Thanks for posting.

    Charlton is a player we may have a shot at that I like a lot.

    He's bigger than others like Charles Harris.

    If Corey Davis were available, I would tell Williams to hit the road and go win a title.
    Physique wise, he kind of reminds me of Julius Peppers. Looks like he has similar athleticism as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boozeman View Post
    Yes, if he is the best player. Not taking a defender just because.
    Offense whore.

    I think there are to many holes that need filling on all 3 levels of the defense, I think that is prime territory for a LB or Safety.

    Would love to have somebody like Foster or a safety if he is rated that high.

    I think replacing Williams could happen later in the Draft and F.A.

    I would also be willing to give Butler a shot.
    Last edited by Jiggyfly; 12-02-2016 at 03:18 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jiggyfly View Post
    Offense whore.

    I think there are to many holes that need filling on all 3 levels of the defense, I think that is prime territory for a LB or Safety.

    Would love to have somebody like Foster or a safety if he is rated that high.

    I think replacing Williams could happen later in the Draft and F.A.

    I would also be willing to give Butler a shot.
    I'd probably try and plug some holes in free agency as well if possible. DE though is the one spot where it seems near impossible to find a good free agent. Well unless of course you get someone in their thirties like a Peppers or Ware type.

    LBer is way down my list of needs. I've said it before, I wouldn't pass up an elite talent there but it wouldn't be a priority either. Not with Lee and Jaylon Smith. Not to mention Wilson has really started to play well this year (Only his second year) and Hitchens is at least solid. Safety may be a little different though. Safety is a position that should be picking off a lot of passes in our defense. The problem is our safeties either lack the athletic ability or the hands to create turnovers.

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    Trubisky, first overall?? Don't rule it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mschmidt64 View Post
    Trubisky, first overall?? Don't rule it out.
    Yeah Watson has really started to tumble much like I predicted he would.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jiggyfly View Post
    Offense whore.

    I think there are to many holes that need filling on all 3 levels of the defense, I think that is prime territory for a LB or Safety.

    Would love to have somebody like Foster or a safety if he is rated that high.

    I think replacing Williams could happen later in the Draft and F.A.

    I would also be willing to give Butler a shot.
    While this is all true I think Davis is too good to pass up at 28, 29 or where ever we're picking in the late 20's/early 30's.

    I think he's a top 15-20 talent and probably will be gone, especially if he goes to the Senior Bowl and kills it. If there was a DL, LB or safety prospect that was his caliber of prospect I'd definitely go that route, I just don't think that's likely.

    I'm not ready to say this with full confidence just yet but I think he may be the best WR in the class.

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