Yea, I think Lawrence is better suited for the left side so that's why I'd prefer a smaller, more explosive right DE type, but beggars can't be choosers so I'd be fine with Charlton for the most part.
Originally Posted by Cowboysrock55
Yes, if he is the best player. Not taking a defender just because.
Originally Posted by Jiggyfly
In case anyone is curious here is Kipers top players by position that just came out on December 1st as well.
Top 10 prospects at each position for 2017 NFL draft
Mel Kiper Jr.
Time for another edition of my position rankings for the 2017 NFL draft. Dig in.
One asterisk denotes a junior, and two asterisks denote a redshirt sophomore for the 2016 season.
1. *Mitch Trubisky, North Carolina
2. *Patrick Mahomes, Texas Tech
3. *Luke Falk, Washington State
4. **DeShone Kizer, Notre Dame
5. *Deshaun Watson, Clemson
6. *Brad Kaaya, Miami (Fla.)
7. *Baker Mayfield, Oklahoma
8. *Mason Rudolph, Oklahoma State
9. Antonio Pipkin, Tiffin
10. Davis Webb, California
Watson (6-foot-3, 215 pounds) keeps falling here. The 27 interceptions in the past two seasons are a problem. Pipkin (6-3, 225) went 8-3 with the Dragons in the Great Lakes Intercollegiate Athletic Conference (GLIAC), their first winning season since joining in 2007. He completed 64.9 percent of his passes for 2,534 yards with 25 touchdowns and six interceptions. He had another seven rushing touchdowns. Pipkin also played two seasons on the Dragons' basketball team.
Kiper's 2017 Big Board: Stellar RB class taking shape
You might already know about LSU star Leonard Fournette, but two more star running backs make Mel Kiper's updated ranking of the top 25 prospects for the 2017 draft.
1. *Leonard Fournette, LSU
2. *Dalvin Cook, Florida State
3. *D'Onta Foreman, Texas
4. *Christian McCaffrey, Stanford
5. *Akrum Wadley, Iowa
6. *Royce Freeman, Oregon
7. *Wayne Gallman, Clemson
8. Matthew Dayes, NC State
9. *James Conner, Pittsburgh
10. Corey Clement, Wisconsin
Foreman (6-1, 249), who declared for the draft Wednesday, made his debut in my latest Big Board. Wadley has rushed for 966 yards and 10 touchdowns for the Hawkeyes, and he also has 32 catches and three TDs.
1. *Jaylen Samuels, NC State
2. Sam Rogers, Virginia Tech
3. *Khalid Hill, Michigan
4. Nate Iese, UCLA
5. *Dimitri Flowers, Oklahoma
6. *Austin Ramesh, Wisconsin
7. Anthony Firkser, Harvard
8. Christopher Herndon, Miami (Fla.)
9. *Christian Payne, Georgia
10. *Daniel Marx, Stanford
I just love Hill's stat line this season: 25 carries, 39 yards and 10 touchdowns, with a longest run of four yards. The 6-2, 263-pounder has some hands, too -- he has 14 catches for 105 yards and another two scores.
1. *Mike Williams, Clemson
2. *John Ross, Washington
3. Corey Davis, Western Michigan
4. *JuJu Smith-Schuster, USC
5. *Curtis Samuel, Ohio State
6. *Isaiah Ford, Virginia Tech
7. Dede Westbrook, Oklahoma
8. Stacy Coley, Miami (Fla.)
9. Amara Darboh, Michigan
10. Cooper Kupp, Eastern Washington
Health has been an issue for Coley (6-1, 195), but he's a talented player. He had eight total touchdowns as a freshman in 2013, and he has another nine this season.
Michael Roberts caught 15 touchdowns for the Rockets in 2016. Scott W. Grau/Icon Sportswire
1. *Bucky Hodges, Virginia Tech
2. O.J. Howard, Alabama
3. Jake Butt, Michigan
4. Cole Hikutini, Louisville
5. Jordan Leggett, Clemson
6. Evan Engram, Mississippi
7. Jeremy Sprinkle, Arkansas
8. Pharaoh Brown, Oregon
9. Gerald Everett, South Alabama
10. Michael Roberts, Toledo
This tight end class is really good. Roberts (6-5, 270) has ridiculous numbers this season: 43 catches for 514 yards and 15 touchdowns.
1. *Cam Robinson, Alabama
2. *Ryan Ramczyk, Wisconsin
3. *Mike McGlinchey, Notre Dame
4. **Orlando Brown, Oklahoma
5. *Garett Bolles, Utah
6. Dion Dawkins, Temple
7. *Roderick Johnson, Florida State
8. Taylor Moton, Western Michigan
9. Zach Banner, USC
10. Dan Skipper, Arkansas
This offensive tackle class is very young, and there isn't a sure-fire, top-five pick in the group. Bolles (6-5, 300) is a first-year starter for the Utes after transferring from junior college. He can move defenders.
1. **Quenton Nelson, Notre Dame
2. *Billy Price, Ohio State
3. Forrest Lamp, Western Kentucky
4. Dan Feeney, Indiana
5. Dorian Johnson, Pittsburgh
6. *Braden Smith, Auburn
7. Nico Siragusa, San Diego State
8. *Damien Mama, USC
9. Greg Pyke, Georgia
10. Josh Boutte, LSU
I'm a big fan of Lamp (6-3, 300). He could be a starting guard in the NFL immediately.
1. Ethan Pocic, LSU
2. Pat Elflein, Ohio State
3. *Mason Cole, Michigan
4. Tyler Orlosky, West Virginia
5. *Frank Ragnow, Arkansas
6. Jon Toth, Kentucky
7. *Bradley Bozeman, Alabama
8. Chase Roullier, Wyoming
9. Cameron Tom, Southern Mississippi
10. Kyle Fuller, Baylor
Not a lot of movement here in the past few updates. Pocic (6-7, 302) and Elflein (6-3, 300) are fighting for the top spot.
K-State's Jordan Willis has 25.5 career sacks. Scott Sewell/USA TODAY Sports
1. *Myles Garrett, Texas A&M
2. Jonathan Allen, Alabama
3. Takkarist McKinley, UCLA
4. *Derek Barnett, Tennessee
5. *Charles Harris, Missouri
6. Taco Charlton, Michigan
7. **Solomon Thomas, Stanford
8. *Carl Lawson, Auburn
9. Jordan Willis, Kansas State
10. DeMarcus Walker, Florida State
This is a great class for pass-rushers. Willis (6-5, 250) led the Big 12 in sacks with 10.5.
1. *Malik McDowell, Michigan State
2. *Caleb Brantley, Florida
3. *Elijah Qualls, Washington
4. *Charles Walker, Oklahoma
5. Ryan Glasgow, Michigan
6. Montravius Adams, Auburn
7. Chris Wormley, Michigan
8. Carlos Watkins, Clemson
9. *Davon Godchaux, LSU
10. Jarron Jones, Notre Dame
Brantley (6-2, 300) is the big mover here, up from No. 5 and now in my Big Board.
1. Reuben Foster, Alabama
2. *Raekwon McMillan, Ohio State
3. *Zach Cunningham, Vanderbilt
4. Kendell Beckwith, LSU
5. *Azeem Victor, Washington
6. *Anthony Walker, Northwestern
7. Ben Gedeon, Michigan
8. *Shaun Dion Hamilton, Alabama
9. Keith Kelsey, Louisville
10. Hardy Nickerson, Illinois
Foster (6-1, 240) is in a class by himself at the top, but keep an eye on Cunningham (6-4, 225), who is a tremendous athlete.
Temple pass-rusher Haason Reddick was named to the AAC all-conference first team. Photo by Andy Lewis/Icon Sportswire
1. Tim Williams, Alabama
2. Ryan Anderson, Alabama
3. Jarrad Davis, Florida
4. Steven Taylor, Houston
5. Haason Reddick, Temple
6. Vince Biegel, Wisconsin
7. Devonte Fields, Louisville
8. Jalen Reeves-Maybin, Tennessee
9. *Marquis Haynes, Mississippi
10. *T.J. Watt, Wisconsin
Reddick (6-1, 215) has 9.5 sacks and three forced fumbles for the Owls. With Reddick and Dawkins, my No. 6 offensive tackle, Temple has some talent.
1. **Marshon Lattimore, Ohio State
2. **Marlon Humphrey, Alabama
3. *Teez Tabor, Florida
4. *Quincy Wilson, Florida
5. Tre'Davious White, LSU
6. Jourdan Lewis, Michigan
7. Cordrea Tankersley, Clemson
8. *Sidney Jones, Washington
9. Desmond King, Iowa
10. *Adoree' Jackson, USC
Jackson is so dynamic, but size (5-11, 185) is an issue. He has an NFL future as a returner.
1. **Jabrill Peppers, Michigan
2. *Jamal Adams, LSU
3. *Budda Baker, Washington
4. **Malik Hooker, Ohio State
5. Marcus Maye, Florida
6. Eddie Jackson, Alabama
7. Chidobe Awuzie, Colorado
8. Justin Evans, Texas A&M
9. *Marcus Williams, Utah
10. Johnathan Ford, Auburn
Baker jumped into the top three after a huge performance in the Apple Cup (one interception, eight tackles). He's not big -- 5-10, 173 -- but he's a playmaker.
Kickers and punters
1. *Daniel Carlson, Auburn (kicker)
2. Zane Gonzalez, Arizona State (kicker)
3. *JK Scott, Alabama (punter)
4. *Johnny Townsend, Florida (punter)
5. *Trevor Daniel, Tennessee (punter)
6. Jake Elliott, Memphis (kicker)
7. Cameron Johnston, Ohio State (punter)
8. *Jonathan Barnes, Louisiana Tech (kicker)
9. Justin Vogel, Miami (Fla.) (punter)
10. Austin Rehkow, Idaho (kicker & punter)
Auburn isn't afraid to let Gonzalez have a go from distance. The senior is 7-of-9 on kicks of more than 50 yards this season, and he is the NCAA record holder for field goals in a career.
Taco Charlton - Yes Please.
Physique wise, he kind of reminds me of Julius Peppers. Looks like he has similar athleticism as well.
Originally Posted by boozeman
Originally Posted by boozeman
I think there are to many holes that need filling on all 3 levels of the defense, I think that is prime territory for a LB or Safety.
Would love to have somebody like Foster or a safety if he is rated that high.
I think replacing Williams could happen later in the Draft and F.A.
I would also be willing to give Butler a shot.
Last edited by Jiggyfly; 12-02-2016 at 02:18 PM.
I'd probably try and plug some holes in free agency as well if possible. DE though is the one spot where it seems near impossible to find a good free agent. Well unless of course you get someone in their thirties like a Peppers or Ware type.
Originally Posted by Jiggyfly
LBer is way down my list of needs. I've said it before, I wouldn't pass up an elite talent there but it wouldn't be a priority either. Not with Lee and Jaylon Smith. Not to mention Wilson has really started to play well this year (Only his second year) and Hitchens is at least solid. Safety may be a little different though. Safety is a position that should be picking off a lot of passes in our defense. The problem is our safeties either lack the athletic ability or the hands to create turnovers.
Trubisky, first overall?? Don't rule it out.
Yeah Watson has really started to tumble much like I predicted he would.
Originally Posted by mschmidt64
While this is all true I think Davis is too good to pass up at 28, 29 or where ever we're picking in the late 20's/early 30's.
Originally Posted by Jiggyfly
I think he's a top 15-20 talent and probably will be gone, especially if he goes to the Senior Bowl and kills it. If there was a DL, LB or safety prospect that was his caliber of prospect I'd definitely go that route, I just don't think that's likely.
I'm not ready to say this with full confidence just yet but I think he may be the best WR in the class.