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    Quote Originally Posted by Kbrown View Post
    I love Houston, but it is zoned like one of my Sim Cities from when I was 12.
    Do we actually have any zoning laws? Everything seems to just pop up where ever there is a bit of free space
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    Quote Originally Posted by dallen View Post
    Do we actually have any zoning laws? Everything seems to just pop up where ever there is a bit of free space
    Poor land use planning makes it damn near impossible to install light rail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dallen View Post
    Do we actually have any zoning laws? Everything seems to just pop up where ever there is a bit of free space
    I don't think so. If so, they are minimum.

    A friend of mine lives in a nice condo. About a block one way is a mansion with peacocks in the backyard, and about a block the other way is Westheimer with a Payday Loans store on the corner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iamtdg View Post
    It's not as difficult as you think once you have buy-in from both users and planners.
    Good to hear. I'm pro-Jane Jacobs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pdom View Post
    Good to hear. I'm pro-Jane Jacobs.
    See, here is the other side of my struggles. Idealistic advocates can be just as much of a hindrance as staunch opposition. They want it all their way or nothing. Well, in life, you rarely get it that way. Idealistic bike advocates are the worst. They want streets all to themselves. That is neither practical nor (in most cases) economically feasible. All modes of transportation have a place. The trick is making them all work together safely. That is the purest definition of what I do. It's a very delicate balance and leaning too far one direction or the other can be detrimental to a transportation network.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iamtdg View Post
    See, here is the other side of my struggles. Idealistic advocates can be just as much of a hindrance as staunch opposition. They want it all their way or nothing. Well, in life, you rarely get it that way. Idealistic bike advocates are the worst. They want streets all to themselves. That is neither practical nor (in most cases) economically feasible. All modes of transportation have a place. The trick is making them all work together safely. That is the purest definition of what I do. It's a very delicate balance and leaning too far one direction or the other can be detrimental to a transportation network.
    Regarding 'idealistic advocates', who are you referring to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pdom View Post
    Regarding 'idealistic advocates', who are you referring to?
    The ones that are over the top. As an example, I had a bicycle advocate on campus that really really wanted bike lanes on a certain stretch of road on campus. We actually did a cost analysis and it would have taken $1.2 million to widen a 3 block portion of this road to make it happen. He, and others, insisted it just had to happen. Uhh, no. Who is paying for that shit? I had just worked for 2 years doing deep research to make it legal for them to ride on a sidewalk right off that same street. But, this select group of people want full street access, regardless of cost. No regard for actual allocated money for this kind of thing. I have $125k a year set aside for bike improvements. $1.2 million ain't happening for this kind of improvement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iamtdg View Post
    The ones that are over the top. As an example, I had a bicycle advocate on campus that really really wanted bike lanes on a certain stretch of road on campus. We actually did a cost analysis and it would have taken $1.2 million to widen a 3 block portion of this road to make it happen. He, and others, insisted it just had to happen. Uhh, no. Who is paying for that shit? I had just worked for 2 years doing deep research to make it legal for them to ride on a sidewalk right off that same street. But, this select group of people want full street access, regardless of cost. No regard for actual allocated money for this kind of thing. I have $125k a year set aside for bike improvements. $1.2 million ain't happening for this kind of improvement.
    what do you think of Jane Jacobs then? You mention idealistic advocates when I said Jacobs' name, but she's not comparable to your bike lane hero.

    Any specific names, movements you like/don't like, such as Duany, Kuntsler, Le Corbusier, Howard, etc?

    Any particular project, growth plan, mass transit system you're a big fan of?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pdom View Post
    what do you think of Jane Jacobs then? You mention idealistic advocates when I said Jacobs' name, but she's not comparable to your bike lane hero.

    Any specific names, movements you like/don't like, such as Duany, Kuntsler, Le Corbusier, Howard, etc?

    Any particular project, growth plan, mass transit system you're a big fan of?
    Man, we would have to be in person to truly discuss this. It's too deep for me to discuss on my phone. This is some in depth shit. PM me your number and we can absolutely go at it. I'm serious. I am realistically stoked about this kind of thing.

    Things I'm stoked about: (not even close to a complete list)

    DC's Capital Bike Share program

    Houston's new rail

    The discussion about the new I-27 highway extension

    Portland's new bike bridge

    Seattle's self sustaining (not really) building

    Etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jiggyfly View Post
    It would help in these discussions if you stop with "all of the Left".

    Its that type of talk that causes the divisiveness you have such an issue with, you seem very quick to lump people together to make a point, that is not conducive to having a productive discussion.
    Would it help your sensibilities if I used a word like "alt left"? Because it seems anytime someone of a fringe racial type group pipes up that he or she likes and idea that any regular conservative would, they automatically get lumped in as the descriptor for the entire conservative movement. Even though the vast majority of conservative despise those groups as much as any normal person should.
    While on the other hand, environmentalists and anti energy folk are 98% left wing minded. These are also one of the many groups the Democratic party strives hard to cater to. Anti-nuclear, Anti coal, anti petroleum anti anything that has helped build this country. Tell me how I am wrong in this please.

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