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    Quote Originally Posted by townsend View Post
    if someone's trans it's absolutely harder for them to get ahead. A big part of what people call "white privelege" is actually privilege of assimilation. If a guy's named Stewart Johnson, people will be more likely to hire them than if they're named Ladarius Damarius. If you show up to a job interview dressed like a women, with a man's physical body, then people will be put off by you, and likely go with someone that makes them less uncomfortable. We're only 5 years removed from people getting kicked out of the military for being gay. So it's not just about cakes.
    As well they should be. Who wants to have that in their office environment? And, they shouldn't have to if they are the ones doing the hiring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iamtdg View Post
    As well they should be. Who wants to have that in their office environment? And, they shouldn't have to if they are the ones doing the hiring.
    So if I walk into a job interview in shorts and a tank top that's not good and I won't be hired. But if I go in with a dress and high heels they should be tolerant and look past it? That's stupid, appearance matters when it comes to hiring someone. Has nothing to do with tolerance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowboysrock55 View Post
    So if I walk into a job interview in shorts and a tank top that's not good and I won't be hired. But if I go in with a dress and high heels they should be tolerant and look past it? That's stupid, appearance matters when it comes to hiring someone. Has nothing to do with tolerance.
    Exactly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowboysrock55 View Post
    So if I walk into a job interview in shorts and a tank top that's not good and I won't be hired. But if I go in with a dress and high heels they should be tolerant and look past it? That's stupid, appearance matters when it comes to hiring someone. Has nothing to do with tolerance.
    Gender identity and dressing sloppy aren't the same thing. If you had attended some kind of education on that, maybe you could distinguish.

    If someone has burns, or scars, is overweight, or missing limbs, they may also be off putting to you. But discriminating against them still makes you a shitty person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by townsend View Post
    I'm not saying whites are actively suppressing others. Just that the ghost of white supremacy lives on in conventions that were minted when it was a more universal outlook. There are a lot of things that still happen because it's the way it's always been done. If segregation is still kind of enforced, it doesn't matter if it's malicious or not, we're still enacting the wishes of white supremacists.
    I really don't agree with all of what you are saying here. It's not like equality was suddenly discovered with your generation. Obviously the founding fathers promoted this position even though some didn't practice it. Every generation since has had struggles of how to create equality and its issues. The idea of white supremacy was believed and espoused by a minor segment of the population. It wasn't the majority belief by a long shot. Even today there are factions that continue to try to promulgate the idea but by in large the solid core beliefs and practices of the majority of the population holds the view that equality is for everyone. White supremacy isn't a, belief or position for the majority of the white population. I didn't come to this conclusion from some academics research paper, I have been around long enough to know from experience how most of those I know feel. Granted the narrow bigoted few are still around but I venture to say that segment exists in all races.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowboysrock55 View Post
    So if I walk into a job interview in shorts and a tank top that's not good and I won't be hired. But if I go in with a dress and high heels they should be tolerant and look past it? That's stupid, appearance matters when it comes to hiring someone. Has nothing to do with tolerance.
    Nope. We need to teach young whites that if they don't accept this, they are bigots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by townsend View Post
    If someone has burns, or scars, is overweight, or missing limbs, they may also be off putting to you. But discriminating against them still makes you a shitty person.
    Who is the judgmental person now? And dressing appropriate for a job is dressing appropriate for a job. Has nothing to do with gender identity. You can identify as a woman and still dress in pants and a shirt. People born as a woman do this every day. If you choose not to you're not being oppressed, you're trying to be a contrarian for the sake of being a contrarian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by L.T. Fan View Post
    I really don't agree with all of what you are saying here. It's not like equality was suddenly discovered with your generation. Obviously the founding fathers promoted this position even though some didn't practice it. Every generation since has had struggles of how to create equality and its issues. The idea of white supremacy was believed and espoused by a minor segment of the population. It wasn't the majority belief by a long shot. Even today there are factions that continue to try to promulgate the idea but by in large the solid core beliefs and practices of the majority of the population holds the view that equality is for everyone. White supremacy isn't a, belief or position for the majority of the white population. I didn't come to this conclusion from some academics research paper, I have been around long enough to know from experience how most of those I know feel. Granted the narrow bigoted few are still around but I venture to say that segment exists in all races.
    White supremacy was a big part of academics. Eugenics and the White Man's Burdon were a big part of accepted mainstream philosophy into the 20th century. At a certain point it became unpopular to talk about. But segregation had all of its roots in white supremacy.

    Just a few decades since then, even as the rhetoric has been deemed offensive by the mainstream. The effects of segregation, white flight, the denial of GI Bill benefits to black vets after WW2 have had long term effects that have kept blacks in positions more likely to be impoverished. Since criminal justice preys heavily on the poor, that means they're also more likely to be incarcerated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowboysrock55 View Post
    Who is the judgmental person now? And dressing appropriate for a job is dressing appropriate for a job. Has nothing to do with gender identity. You can identify as a woman and still dress in pants and a shirt. People born as a woman do this every day. If you choose not to you're not being oppressed, you're trying to be a contrarian for the sake of being a contrarian.
    So if you were required to wear a pretty pink dress to get a job, you'd be okay with that?

    It's not been that long since it was controversial for Laura Petry to were pants on television. I guess it wasn't bigoted back then to dress the way you wanted them too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mschmidt64 View Post
    Nope. We need to teach young whites that if they don't accept this, they are bigots.
    It's like people default to calling something bigotry or racist simply because they don't get their way.

    I laugh every time I see someone claim they knew they were the different sex because they played with dolls as a kid or something like that. As though gender is defined by wearing a dress or playing with dolls. Those things might be associated with certain genders but they sure as shit aren't what it means to be male or female.

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