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Thread: Abortion... yeah or nah?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kbrown View Post
    Well, fuck, this hits close to home, doesn't it? I'm not sure how I feel about this study. What is the purpose of it? Are they trying to determine if all Downs individuals should be aborted? Are they taking a shot at parents that actually decide to keep their child and raise it no matter the costs (not just financial)?

    He says that a lot of that cost is from people that have been put in institutions because of their disability. So, maybe it's a cultural thing? Maybe there parents have a higher propensity to put a disabled child in a home? Maybe Down Syndrome there is worse than here? Maybe they are fucking assholes that require a Downs individual to go into a home? I'm confused and pissed off by this all at the same time.

    I can tell you, we never had to face the decision of aborting our daughter because we didn't know until after she was born. For this, I am thankful. I would hope that I would have been a decent human being and had her, regardless. But, that lingering what-if bothers me a lot, even 12 years later. What if I had been a dick? That thought kills me.

    Back to the post. Why would they do this? What exactly is the fucking motivator? And, why in the god damn fucking blue hell would they have that poor guy in the room to reveal just how much he "costs"? That is infuckinghumane. Do they seriously not think that just because this person is mentally retarded he won't ponder that they just might be insinuating he is a burden? That is fucking terrible. What are they looking to gain from this? Maybe just all Downs individuals will see this and decide they will off themselves to save their shitty ass government some trouble and money? Those that may not know, these people have emotions and actually understand shit like this. Just because that poor guy didn't say much doesn't mean he wasn't thinking about what in the fuck he was being told. It's not like they live in a padded world where they are completely sheltered from all negative influence. They understand when they are being targeted as different.

    Anyway, I'm not sure where I was really going with this, so I'll just walk off now.
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    I posted it in this thread, because certain "enlightened" European countries are touting the fact that they have nearly eliminated Down Syndrome, when really they are just pushing the murder of Down Syndrome babies in the womb.

    The implication of calculating a human's "cost to society" are clear.

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    I wonder if he gives the same lecture to cripples and the elderly

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kbrown View Post
    I posted it in this thread, because certain "enlightened" European countries are touting the fact that they have nearly eliminated Down Syndrome, when really they are just pushing the murder of Down Syndrome babies in the womb.

    The implication of calculating a human's "cost to society" are clear.
    I guess I was really trying to "protect" myself from believing this. I can't fathom that train of thought, really. I'm really trying hard to not go on an emotional rant right now, to be perfectly honest. This is unbelievable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kbrown View Post
    I posted it in this thread, because certain "enlightened" European countries are touting the fact that they have nearly eliminated Down Syndrome, when really they are just pushing the murder of Down Syndrome babies in the womb.

    The implication of calculating a human's "cost to society" are clear.
    And, they aren't eliminating shit. They are just killing babies. If there was a gene that proved.... never mind, I'm not going to do this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iamtdg View Post
    Well, fuck, this hits close to home, doesn't it? I'm not sure how I feel about this study. What is the purpose of it? Are they trying to determine if all Downs individuals should be aborted? Are they taking a shot at parents that actually decide to keep their child and raise it no matter the costs (not just financial)?

    He says that a lot of that cost is from people that have been put in institutions because of their disability. So, maybe it's a cultural thing? Maybe there parents have a higher propensity to put a disabled child in a home? Maybe Down Syndrome there is worse than here? Maybe they are fucking assholes that require a Downs individual to go into a home? I'm confused and pissed off by this all at the same time.

    I can tell you, we never had to face the decision of aborting our daughter because we didn't know until after she was born. For this, I am thankful. I would hope that I would have been a decent human being and had her, regardless. But, that lingering what-if bothers me a lot, even 12 years later. What if I had been a dick? That thought kills me.

    Back to the post. Why would they do this? What exactly is the fucking motivator? And, why in the god damn fucking blue hell would they have that poor guy in the room to reveal just how much he "costs"? That is infuckinghumane. Do they seriously not think that just because this person is mentally retarded he won't ponder that they just might be insinuating he is a burden? That is fucking terrible. What are they looking to gain from this? Maybe just all Downs individuals will see this and decide they will off themselves to save their shitty ass government some trouble and money? Those that may not know, these people have emotions and actually understand shit like this. Just because that poor guy didn't say much doesn't mean he wasn't thinking about what in the fuck he was being told. It's not like they live in a padded world where they are completely sheltered from all negative influence. They understand when they are being targeted as different.

    Anyway, I'm not sure where I was really going with this, so I'll just walk off now.
    Could it be because with socialized medicine eventually everything is reduced to a cost versus return proposition? With privatization the policy holder decides whether to allocate the cost of the insurance that will have predetermined amounts of coverage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by L.T. Fan View Post
    Could it be because with socialized medicine eventually everything is reduced to a cost versus return proposition? With privatization the policy holder decides whether to allocate the cost of the insurance that will have predetermined amounts of coverage.
    That is a sobering thought.
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    Well, looks like I missed some juicy stuff here.

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