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Questions at a Town Hall?:lol

There is so much more to lay at the feet of Clinton, the foundation stuff and this new FBI deal.

But for some reason you have to go way down the rabbit hole to find something.

But just like Trump the rest of the R's cannot stay on message.
It wasn't just the town hall. Why did you leave out the part about providing questions to the presidential debate? And I'd hardly call the NY Times reporting a violation of election laws a rabbit hole.

Wait. Don't bother answering. We all know why.
 

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It wasn't just the town hall. Why did you leave out the part about providing questions to the presidential debate? And I'd hardly call the NY Times reporting a violation of election laws a rabbit hole.

Wait. Don't bother answering. We all know why.
Like I sad small potatoes as opposed to the other stuff.

You know the stuff I posted about the Clinton Foundation.
 

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FBI's Comey opposed naming Russians, citing election timing: Source
Eamon Javers | @EamonJavers


6 Hours Ago | 02:15
FBI Director James Comey argued privately that it was too close to Election Day for the United States government to name Russia as meddling in the U.S. election and ultimately ensured that the FBI's name was not on the document that the U.S. government put out, a former bureau official tells CNBC.

The official said some government insiders are perplexed as to why Comey would have election timing concerns with the Russian disclosure but not with the Huma Abedin email discovery disclosure he made Friday.

In the end, the Department of Homeland Security and The Office of the Director of National Intelligence issued the statement on Oct. 7, saying: "The U.S. intelligence community is confident that the Russian Government directed the recent compromises of emails from U.S. persons and institutions, including from U.S. political organizations. ... These thefts and disclosures are intended to interfere with the U.S. election process."


An FBI spokesperson declined to comment on Comey's role in the decision-making surrounding the Oct. 7 statement.
According to the former official, Comey agreed with the conclusion the intelligence community came to: "A foreign power was trying to undermine the election. He believed it to be true, but was against putting it out before the election." Comey's position, this official said, was "if it is said, it shouldn't come from the FBI, which as you'll recall it did not."

Comey took a different approach toward releasing information about the discovery of emails on a laptop that was used by former congressman Anthony Weiner and his estranged wife Huma Abedin, the official said.

"By doing a press conference, and personally testifying and giving his opinion about the conduct, he made this about James Comey and his credibility," the official said. "You can see why he did it, from his perspective, once he had had that press conference."

The official said FBI investigators can get a "preliminary read" of the newly discovered emails within a couple of days and come to an initial conclusion about whether there is classified material in the files. "The questions is whether they will decide to share that read or not," the official said. "Normally in the FBI we would not, but we're not in normal land anymore."

Comey's decision to announce the new investigative steps has come under severe criticism from Democrats, including Hillary Clinton who addressed the issue at a rally Monday.

"I'm sure a lot of you may be asking what this new email story is about and why in the world the FBI would decide to jump into an election with no evidence of any wrongdoing with just days to go. That's a good question," Clinton said. "I am sure they will reach the same conclusion they did when they looked at my emails for the last year. There is no case here."

The Donald Trump campaign, meanwhile, has praised Comey for continuing to investigate Clinton. "The right thing to do is whatever the FBI thinks," said Trump campaign manager Kellyanne Conway on CNBC Monday morning. "It's not for us to say speed it up because of the election or slow it down because of the election."
 

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http://www.newsweek.com/2016/11/11/donald-trump-companies-destroyed-emails-documents-515120.html

Over the course of decades, Donald Trump’s companies have systematically destroyed or hidden thousands of emails, digital records and paper documents demanded in official proceedings, often in defiance of court orders. These tactics—exposed by a Newsweek review of thousands of pages of court filings, judicial orders and affidavits from an array of court cases—have enraged judges, prosecutors, opposing lawyers and the many ordinary citizens entangled in litigation with Trump. In each instance, Trump and entities he controlled also erected numerous hurdles that made lawsuits drag on for years, forcing courtroom opponents to spend huge sums of money in legal fees as they struggled—sometimes in vain—to obtain records.
 

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Can any history buffs think of a more horrid election than this one? Honestly.

Clinton's campaign spent so long pumping the "Trump won't accept the election" deal, and now it is whining about the FBI director not waiting until after the election to reveal this new investigation. Blow it out your ass.

She is looking to promote a Bush-era level of opacity, and we know this going in. I can't fathom the people who are thrilled with either option.
The choices are horrid, I can't recall a worse set of candidates in my lifetime.

Trump is incompetent, ignorant, and a blowhard, he'd be an absolute nightmare. Clinton is untrustworthy, sleazy,and conniving, she'd increase the level of distrust and hate of our government.

I think both candidates suck.
 

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Nixon and Hubert Humphrey maybe. It's not often that an incumbent screws the pooch so bad that he straight up quits and you're stuck with a choice between his feckless replacement or the guy who sabotaged the Vietnam peace talks.
 
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Nixon and Hubert Humphrey maybe. It's not often that an incumbent screws the pooch so bad that he straight up quits and you're stuck with a choice between his feckless replacement of the guy who sabotaged the Vietnam peace talks.
That's a good one
 

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Clinton, Trump All but Tied as Enthusiasm Dips for Democratic Candidate
By GARY LANGER Nov 1, 2016, 7:00 AM ET
PHOTO: Hillary Clinton in Manchester, New Hampshire, left and Donald Trump in St. Augustine, Forida, Oct. 24, 2016. Clinton;CJ Gunther/EPA; Trump; Evan Vucci/AP Photo
WATCH Analysis of Final Campaign Strategies

Strong enthusiasm for Hillary Clinton has ebbed since the renewal of the FBI’s email investigation.

While vote preferences have held essentially steady, she’s now a slim point behind Donald Trump — a first since May — in the latest ABC News/Washington Post tracking poll, produced for ABC by Langer Research Associates.

In the latest results, 46 percent of likely voters support Trump, and 45 percent are for Clinton. With the data taken to a decimal place for illustrative purposes, a mere 0.7 of a percentage point divides them.

Third-party candidate Gary Johnson has 3 percent, a new low; Jill Stein, 2 percent.




Trump now leads Clinton by 8 points in the share of voters who are very enthusiastic about their choice as of Friday. But compared with past elections, it’s low for both of them — 53 percent for Trump, 45 percent for Clinton.

Strong enthusiasm for Clinton has lost 7 points since the start of tracking, especially Friday through Sunday. This is possibly an effect of the renewed controversy over her use of a private email server while secretary of state. Trump’s strong enthusiasm has held steady in tracking, which started Oct. 20.



Close

The 1 point Clinton-Trump race is well within the survey’s margin of sampling error. Combining the last seven nights — across which results have been very stable — the results flip to 46 percent Clinton, 45 percent Trump, with a 0.4 point gap. Again, it is not a significant difference.

Either way, the results are exceedingly close. Trump’s 1 point lead is a noteworthy result; he has led Clinton just once before, up 2 points in late May (among registered voters in a two-way test), after he clinched the GOP nomination while Clinton was still in a duel with Bernie Sanders in the Democratic race.

Although the election is close at this point, vote preference results a week out are not necessarily predictive of the final result. Mitt Romney was up 1 versus Barack Obama in comparable tracking poll results in 2012, for example, and John Kerry was ahead by 1 against George Bush a week out in 2004.



Red/Blue


Another look at the data divides the last seven nights of tracking results into red, blue and toss-up states, as designated by the ABC News Political Unit. The results:

• In states considered to be strongly for Trump or leaning toward him (with a total of 180 Electoral College votes), he leads Clinton by a broad 60 to 34 percent.

• In blue states (with 278 electoral votes), Clinton leads 54 to 37 percent.

• In the five ABC-designated toss-up states (with 80 electoral votes) — Arizona, Florida, North Carolina, Ohio and Utah — voters split 41 percent Clinton to 48 percent Trump. That’s not a significant difference, given the 5.5 point error margin at this sample size.



Early Birds


Clinton’s support rests in part on early voting: A fifth of those identified as likely voters (21 percent) say they have already voted. While the sample isn’t large (thus an error margin of +/–7 percentage points), they divide 55 percent for Clinton, 39 for Trump.

That said, early voting estimates can change, given state rules, turnout and sampling variability. Early voting estimates in the 2012 ABC/Post tracking poll ranged from up 17 for Obama to up 4 for Romney in four-night averages, settling at up 3 for Obama.

The latest results, while steady for seven nights, reflect a sharp turnaround from a large Clinton lead in the first four nights of tracking, which were a particularly difficult news cycle for Trump.

Among other factors, there has been consolidation for Trump among Republicans and GOP-leaning independents (86 percent now back him, up from 80 percent). He has also seen improvement among pure independents (i.e., those who don’t lean toward either party), up from an even split to a large Trump advantage, 25 percent Clinton to 54 percent Trump, across the past seven nights (combined for a larger samples size). Seventeen percent of pure independents pick someone else.

Among Democrats and Democratic leaners, meanwhile, Trump’s support has gone from 5 to 9 percent — a slight change, but a statistically significant one. Clinton’s support has been essentially steady.

Party ID

The race is close even though self-identified Democrats outnumber Republicans among likely voters by 10 points, 38 to 28 percent. There are three reasons:

One, this narrows to a 5 point gap, 48 to 43 percent, when independents who lean toward one party or the other are included.

The second is Trump’s advantage among pure independents, as noted — even though they account for just 7 percent of likely voters.

And the third is that Trump wins 9 percent of Democrats and Democratic leaners, while Clinton is supported by 6 percent of Republicans and those who lean toward the GOP — another slight difference and not statistically significant.

But in contests this close, small differences add up.

Vote preference results are essentially identical in 23 likely voter models produced for diagnostic purposes, with turnout estimates ranging from 43 to 81 percent of the voting-age population. Seventeen of the models produce a 46 percent Trump, 45 percent Clinton race, as does the average of all 23.

Methodology

This ABC News/Washington Post poll was conducted by landline and cellular telephone Oct. 27 to 30, 2016, in English and Spanish, among a random national sample of 1,128 likely voters. Results have a margin of sampling error of 3 points, including the design effect. Partisan divisions are 38-28-29 percent, Democrats-Republicans-independents.

Questions 5a and 5b were asked Oct. 28 to 30 among 388 and 397 Clinton and Trump supporters, respectively; they both have 5.5 point error margins.

The survey was produced for ABC News by Langer Research Associates of New York City, with sampling, data collection and tabulation by Abt-SRBI of New York City. See details on the survey’s methodology here.
 

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Clinton, Trump All but Tied as Enthusiasm Dips for Democratic Candidate
By GARY LANGER Nov 1, 2016, 7:00 AM ET
PHOTO: Hillary Clinton in Manchester, New Hampshire, left and Donald Trump in St. Augustine, Forida, Oct. 24, 2016. Clinton;CJ Gunther/EPA; Trump; Evan Vucci/AP Photo
WATCH Analysis of Final Campaign Strategies

Strong enthusiasm for Hillary Clinton has ebbed since the renewal of the FBI’s email investigation.

While vote preferences have held essentially steady, she’s now a slim point behind Donald Trump — a first since May — in the latest ABC News/Washington Post tracking poll, produced for ABC by Langer Research Associates.

In the latest results, 46 percent of likely voters support Trump, and 45 percent are for Clinton. With the data taken to a decimal place for illustrative purposes, a mere 0.7 of a percentage point divides them.

Third-party candidate Gary Johnson has 3 percent, a new low; Jill Stein, 2 percent.




Trump now leads Clinton by 8 points in the share of voters who are very enthusiastic about their choice as of Friday. But compared with past elections, it’s low for both of them — 53 percent for Trump, 45 percent for Clinton.

Strong enthusiasm for Clinton has lost 7 points since the start of tracking, especially Friday through Sunday. This is possibly an effect of the renewed controversy over her use of a private email server while secretary of state. Trump’s strong enthusiasm has held steady in tracking, which started Oct. 20.



Close

The 1 point Clinton-Trump race is well within the survey’s margin of sampling error. Combining the last seven nights — across which results have been very stable — the results flip to 46 percent Clinton, 45 percent Trump, with a 0.4 point gap. Again, it is not a significant difference.

Either way, the results are exceedingly close. Trump’s 1 point lead is a noteworthy result; he has led Clinton just once before, up 2 points in late May (among registered voters in a two-way test), after he clinched the GOP nomination while Clinton was still in a duel with Bernie Sanders in the Democratic race.

Although the election is close at this point, vote preference results a week out are not necessarily predictive of the final result. Mitt Romney was up 1 versus Barack Obama in comparable tracking poll results in 2012, for example, and John Kerry was ahead by 1 against George Bush a week out in 2004.



Red/Blue


Another look at the data divides the last seven nights of tracking results into red, blue and toss-up states, as designated by the ABC News Political Unit. The results:

• In states considered to be strongly for Trump or leaning toward him (with a total of 180 Electoral College votes), he leads Clinton by a broad 60 to 34 percent.

• In blue states (with 278 electoral votes), Clinton leads 54 to 37 percent.

• In the five ABC-designated toss-up states (with 80 electoral votes) — Arizona, Florida, North Carolina, Ohio and Utah — voters split 41 percent Clinton to 48 percent Trump. That’s not a significant difference, given the 5.5 point error margin at this sample size.



Early Birds


Clinton’s support rests in part on early voting: A fifth of those identified as likely voters (21 percent) say they have already voted. While the sample isn’t large (thus an error margin of +/–7 percentage points), they divide 55 percent for Clinton, 39 for Trump.

That said, early voting estimates can change, given state rules, turnout and sampling variability. Early voting estimates in the 2012 ABC/Post tracking poll ranged from up 17 for Obama to up 4 for Romney in four-night averages, settling at up 3 for Obama.

The latest results, while steady for seven nights, reflect a sharp turnaround from a large Clinton lead in the first four nights of tracking, which were a particularly difficult news cycle for Trump.

Among other factors, there has been consolidation for Trump among Republicans and GOP-leaning independents (86 percent now back him, up from 80 percent). He has also seen improvement among pure independents (i.e., those who don’t lean toward either party), up from an even split to a large Trump advantage, 25 percent Clinton to 54 percent Trump, across the past seven nights (combined for a larger samples size). Seventeen percent of pure independents pick someone else.

Among Democrats and Democratic leaners, meanwhile, Trump’s support has gone from 5 to 9 percent — a slight change, but a statistically significant one. Clinton’s support has been essentially steady.

Party ID

The race is close even though self-identified Democrats outnumber Republicans among likely voters by 10 points, 38 to 28 percent. There are three reasons:

One, this narrows to a 5 point gap, 48 to 43 percent, when independents who lean toward one party or the other are included.

The second is Trump’s advantage among pure independents, as noted — even though they account for just 7 percent of likely voters.

And the third is that Trump wins 9 percent of Democrats and Democratic leaners, while Clinton is supported by 6 percent of Republicans and those who lean toward the GOP — another slight difference and not statistically significant.

But in contests this close, small differences add up.

Vote preference results are essentially identical in 23 likely voter models produced for diagnostic purposes, with turnout estimates ranging from 43 to 81 percent of the voting-age population. Seventeen of the models produce a 46 percent Trump, 45 percent Clinton race, as does the average of all 23.

Methodology

This ABC News/Washington Post poll was conducted by landline and cellular telephone Oct. 27 to 30, 2016, in English and Spanish, among a random national sample of 1,128 likely voters. Results have a margin of sampling error of 3 points, including the design effect. Partisan divisions are 38-28-29 percent, Democrats-Republicans-independents.

Questions 5a and 5b were asked Oct. 28 to 30 among 388 and 397 Clinton and Trump supporters, respectively; they both have 5.5 point error margins.

The survey was produced for ABC News by Langer Research Associates of New York City, with sampling, data collection and tabulation by Abt-SRBI of New York City. See details on the survey’s methodology here.
Clinton's had to fight lack of voter enthusiasm this whole campaign. It's pretty telling that Obama had a similar margin 4 years ago, that was still a decisive victory.

I'd be lying if I said I wasn't nervous though, until Hillary gets to 270, it seems impossible to count Trump out.
 

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Clinton's had to fight lack of voter enthusiasm this whole campaign. It's pretty telling that Obama had a similar margin 4 years ago, that was still a decisive victory.

I'd be lying if I said I wasn't nervous though, until Hillary gets to 270, it seems impossible to count Trump out.
It's within the margin of error for either to win, so honestly these results tell you nothing other then its close. Just thought it was interesting to see howuch the poll has changed over the course of time.
 

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It's within the margin of error for either to win, so honestly these results tell you nothing other then its close. Just thought it was interesting to see howuch the poll has changed over the course of time.
It's dumbfounding. How mercurial is the United States population that their moods can shift so drastically in a couple weeks?
 

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I never understood this mentality. Of course women are sex objects. So are men. It's kind of how we keep the species going.
It seems like the concept of "objectifying" someone is to assume that's all that they are. That their value as a human being begins and ends with their ability to satisfy sexually.
 

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I'm sure some of the stuff during the Jackson era was just as bad but the reach was nowhere the same.

I am really interested to see what happens from here on out because something like this is unprecedented.

Hillary is shady as shit but Trump is being propped up and advised by freaking Breitbart. :picard
Yeah Jackson's was so bad he blamed his wife's death on it I think. Jefferson / Adams was bad too.

This has to be up there at this point though.
 

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It seems like the concept of "objectifying" someone is to assume that's all that they are. That their value as a human being begins and ends with their ability to satisfy sexually.
No doubt there are who take it to an extreme, but I would guess that most people are able to appropriately compartmentalize. The notion that sexy poses are inherently inappropriately objectifying seems at the very least severely juvenile.
 

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It wasn't just the town hall. Why did you leave out the part about providing questions to the presidential debate? And I'd hardly call the NY Times reporting a violation of election laws a rabbit hole.

Wait. Don't bother answering. We all know why.
Yeah this is pretty serious in all honesty.
 

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The choices are horrid, I can't recall a worse set of candidates in my lifetime.

Trump is incompetent, ignorant, and a blowhard, he'd be an absolute nightmare. Clinton is untrustworthy, sleazy,and conniving, she'd increase the level of distrust and hate of our government.

I think both candidates suck.
Pretty much.
 
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