2016 POTUS Election Thread

Jiggyfly · Jan 6, 2016

VA Cowboy said:
I should ask you if you equate Hannity and Beck to Jesse Jackson and Sharpton. I don't see the first two taking every possible racial incident that happens and exploiting it like Jackson, Sharpton and Obama do constantly.

What?

Hannity has had a town hall show on every incident that has happened and Beck has done the same on his web site, how is that not exploiting anything.

townsend · Jan 6, 2016

Cowboysrock55 said:
Don't you support Bernie Sanders?

I support Bernie because I'm willing to side with the person I disagree the least with. Of the possible nominees he see's to be the least flawed.

Jiggyfly · Jan 6, 2016

Here are some great articles showcasing Fox News race baiting.

http://www.salon.com/2014/08/28/fox_news_is_tearing_us_apart_race_baiting_and_divi siveness_hits_disgusting_new_low/

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/12/31/2013-twelve-months-of-fox-news-race-baiting/197377

And here are examples.

And here is Shep Smith shutting down the race baiting.

VA Cowboy · Jan 6, 2016

townsend said:
The medical industry is fucking broken. And I blame administration 100% for it. They're scammers and price gougers that don't see anything unethical about charging patients 200 bucks for an aspirin. Speaking as a guy that leans pretty far away from regulation, we need to put price ceilings on medical procedures

It is screwed up, both the medical and insurance industry. I definitely favor capitalism and free enterprise. While companies are always going to try to maximize profits, with competition it generally works itself out and gives us a fair system. Unfortunately, with some industries you wind up with more monopolies and collusion and less competition which tends to drive up prices.

But I don't support over-regulation and gov't control. There's already precedence of more gov't control and laws resulting in more consolidation and price increases.

Proponents say that savings can be achieved by what the legislation calls “accountable care organizations” or ACOs.

Rules governing ACOs are still being developed, but it is envisioned that they would include doctors, hospitals and other providers, who would be paid by Medicare to cover all enrollees in a given service area. If the ACO meets quality and cost targets, its executives and doctors would share the expected savings and possibly receive bonuses.

Some fear that if regulators aren’t careful, ACOs could also further fuel consolidation among powerful groups of hospitals and doctors that could drive up costs.. There’s no question that the law is driving doctors and hospitals to talk about consolidating, says Brenda Bruns, with insurer Group Health Cooperative, in the Seattle market. With two dominant hospital systems and a number of independent hospitals, it is similar to ones around the nation’s capital where rival facilities are expanding into the suburbs and consolidating into systems.

http://khn.org/news/hospital-mergers-costs/

And, Obamacare is already a disaster and the full effect hasn't even been reached yet. Not to mention much of the law was written with input and collaboration with the insurance industry. And many on the left from the beginning just viewed it as phase one towards a move to single payer full govt control which would be an even bigger disaster.

Something needs to be done, but more govt control and takeover doesn't isn't the answer.

townsend · Jan 6, 2016

VA Cowboy said:
It is screwed up, both the medical and insurance industry. I definitely favor capitalism and free enterprise. While companies are always going to try to maximize profits, with competition it generally works itself out and gives us a fair system. Unfortunately, with some industries you wind up with more monopolies and collusion and less competition which tends to drive up prices.

But I don't support over-regulation and gov't control. There's already precedence of more gov't control and laws resulting in more consolidation and price increases.

http://khn.org/news/hospital-mergers-costs/

And, Obamacare is already a disaster and the full effect hasn't even been reached yet. Not to mention much of the law was written with input and collaboration with the insurance industry. And many on the left from the beginning just viewed it as phase one towards a move to single payer full govt control which would be an even bigger disaster.

Something needs to be done, but more govt control and takeover doesn't isn't the answer.

I despise ACA. It was a bill that was so much more about getting a thing passed than actually helping anyone.

I think it's possible to have gov't intervention without gov't overreach. We're no less free if we let corporate cartels rule the country. The best we can due is try to strike a balance. Unfortunately ACA looks more like politicians serving insurers than the population.

NoDak · Jan 6, 2016

townsend said:
I support Bernie because I'm willing to side with the person I disagree the least with. Of the possible nominees he see's to be the least flawed.

lol

Holy fuck.

townsend · Jan 6, 2016

NoDak said:
lol

Holy fuck.

And your candidate is?

boozeman · Jan 6, 2016

I love how Ron Paul, who had real concrete ideas and solutions was a "kook".

And everyone's liberal Jewish grandpa Bernie Sanders is a viable candidate.

WTF

VA Cowboy · Jan 6, 2016

boozeman said:
I love how Ron Paul, who had real concrete ideas and solutions was a "kook".

And everyone's liberal Jewish grandpa Bernie Sanders is a viable candidate.

WTF

Only viable to Bipo and Townsend. Add Jiggy to the list if he actually got nominated.

townsend · Jan 6, 2016

boozeman said:
I love how Ron Paul, who had real concrete ideas and solutions was a "kook".

And everyone's liberal Jewish grandpa Bernie Sanders is a viable candidate.

WTF

I loved Ron Paul. But democrats are way more open to idealism than republicans. If Hillary had her way Bernie would be given the same "kook" treatment.

fortsbest · Jan 7, 2016

They were actually trying to make things better werent they? Or am I missing something? And it is no myth. He never comes out and says I'm against the police but his actions in every instance he has involved himself in indicate otherwise. Actions speak tons louder than words.

Clay_Allison · Jan 7, 2016

fortsbest said:
They were actually trying to make things better werent they? Or am I missing something? And it is no myth. He never comes out and says I'm against the police but his actions in every instance he has involved himself in indicate otherwise. Actions speak tons louder than words.

I think he's for the police, but only if it's the murderous Chicago police that feed off the corrupt political machine he came from.

Jiggyfly · Jan 7, 2016

VA Cowboy said:
Only viable to Bipo and Townsend. Add Jiggy to the list if he actually got nominated.

When have I ever said anything positive about Bernie?

My favorite guy in all of this is Kasich if I had to choose.

2233boys · Jan 7, 2016

2233boys · Jan 7, 2016

It's fun to watch people discuss the positions of a candidate that they know nothing about, and trivialize that candidate with words like kook, or Jewish Grandpa.

2233boys · Jan 7, 2016

townsend said:
I loved Ron Paul. But democrats are way more open to idealism than republicans. If Hillary had her way Bernie would be given the same "kook" treatment.

The MSM does it for her, MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, ABC

Jiggyfly · Jan 7, 2016

2233boys said:
The MSM does it for her, MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, ABC

MSNBC loves Bernie, talk about what's funny. :lol

2233boys · Jan 7, 2016

Jiggyfly said:
MSNBC loves Bernie, talk about what's funny.

You haven't watched Hardball or Howard Dean then, or listened to any of their pundits outside of Chris Hayes, or Rachel Maddow.

He is barely covered on the channel. It's all Trump all the time, on every show just about.

He did have a nice piece on this week with Morning Joe, Joe and Mica were very complimentary. (I'll give you two more)

Quite honestly I am surprised you are cool with Kasich.

BipolarFuk · Jan 7, 2016

Kasich is the best the Republicans have to offer.

At least he has shown he has an iota of compassion in him with the expansion of Medicaid in Ohio.

boozeman · Jan 7, 2016

2233boys said:
It's fun to watch people discuss the positions of a candidate that they know nothing about, and trivialize that candidate with words like kook, or Jewish Grandpa.

I guess this was a barb at my post which was made to prove a point.

Bernie is no less of a kook than Ron Paul, yet he gets a lot more respect as more "mainstream" which just amazes me.

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