Top 3 you would keep...

Cowboysrock55 · Oct 23, 2014

Iamtdg said:
Wut

No one else on the roster can long snap. Without him we'd be screwed.

NoDak · Oct 23, 2014

Deuce said:
If the OL goes down, Murray would be below average.

Just think. With this OL, if we even had an average RB, they'd probably rush for 5,000 yards.

Cowboysrock55 · Oct 23, 2014

NoDak said:
Just think. With this OL, if we even had an average RB, they'd probably rush for 5,000 yards.

I didn't pick Murray as one of my 3 but I agree. Some of the shit talking like Murray is just an average back lately is crazy. He might not have crazy great vision but dude is fast and runs with tremendous power. He can turn the corner with the best of them and run over guys as well as anyone. When you need 1 yard, he will knock a dude over to get you 3.

L.T. Fan · Oct 23, 2014

Cowboysrock55 said:
No kidding, I've been talking about this for a while. Our offensive line was very good last year. It just happens to be even better this year.

The line was ok but they spent all their time in pass protection mode. Hard to balance a game where the game plan is predominantly throwing the ball. Has everyone already forgotten all the angts about not running the ball?

L.T. Fan · Oct 23, 2014

Cowboysrock55 said:
I didn't pick Murray as one of my 3 but I agree. Some of the shit talking like Murray is just an average back lately is crazy. He might not have crazy great vision but dude is fast and runs with tremendous power. He can turn the corner with the best of them and run over guys as well as anyone. When you need 1 yard, he will knock a dude over to get you 3.

Yeah here the guy breaks the record of a football legend and icon and he is viewed as a so so back who doesn't have vision. Sounds pretty picky to me.

boozeman · Oct 23, 2014

L.T. Fan said:
Yeah here the guy breaks the record of a football legend and icon and he is viewed as a so so back who doesn't have vision. Sounds pretty picky to me.

When it is said he doesn't have vision, that doesn't mean he has none. But you can't look at the guy in the open field beyond the line of scrimmage and claim he is gifted in that regard.

Smitty · Oct 23, 2014

Iamtdg said:

Listen, I like Rolando McClain right now, but I think we might be getting just a LITTLE bit carried away.

Smitty · Oct 23, 2014

Deuce said:
Last years line wasn't shitty. Martin has been good, but he's be the only upgrade.

Not if you count that Leary and Frederick both improved substantially.

boozeman · Oct 23, 2014

mschmidt64 said:
Not if you count that Leary and Frederick both improved substantially.

Or somebody started trusting the OL to do their effing job and quit calling plays like a scared little woman.

Smitty · Oct 23, 2014

Iamtdg said:
Obviously, I don't agree with you. Not just any back could do what Murray has done over the last 3 years, and to imply otherwise is retarded.

You know, when people say "The line is more responsible for what Murray is doing than Murray himself" that is not the same as saying "anyone could do this."

It means there is a difference between Murrary's career average/expectation; and that difference is due more to the line's performance than it is to Murray actually playing better himself.

Still, Murrary's career expectation is a high level/near Pro Bowl caliber back.

Some bottom of the barrel guy of course won't be able to do the same thing.

Smitty · Oct 23, 2014

boozeman said:
Or somebody started trusting the OL to do their effing job and quit calling plays like a scared little woman.

Sure, that too, but come on.

Frederick is a second year starter, so is Leary. It's not going to kill anyone to admit that they have both improved from where they were as first year starters. They have.

Deuce · Oct 23, 2014

mschmidt64 said:
Not if you count that Leary and Frederick both improved substantially.

Leary has progressed for sure. Frederick was rock solid last year, only now he can work the middle with quality next to him instead of trying to overcompensate for both sides.

Cowboysrock55 · Oct 23, 2014

mschmidt64 said:
You know, when people say "The line is more responsible for what Murray is doing than Murray himself" that is not the same as saying "anyone could do this."

It means there is a difference between Murrary's career average/expectation; and that difference is due more to the line's performance than it is to Murray actually playing better himself.

Still, Murrary's career expectation is a high level/near Pro Bowl caliber back.

Some bottom of the barrel guy of course won't be able to do the same thing.

Murray's average per carry this year is the exact same as his career average...

I say that with jest though because Murray's average this year is hurt by the amount of running he is doing with 8 or more guys in the box. Especially at the end of games when we are running the clock out and the defense knows it.

L.T. Fan · Oct 23, 2014

boozeman said:
When it is said he doesn't have vision, that doesn't mean he has none. But you can't look at the guy in the open field beyond the line of scrimmage and claim he is gifted in that regard.

I have never made a comment about his vision. That topic is used by others. Frankly I don't know why it's a big deal in their first place since the end result is outstanding performance. If the worst someone can identify is vision issues it comes across as a trival assessment.

Smitty · Oct 23, 2014

Cowboysrock55 said:
Murray's average per carry this year is the exact same as his career average...

So you're saying the difference in production is the OL then?

Smitty · Oct 23, 2014

Deuce said:
Leary has progressed for sure. Frederick was rock solid last year, only now he can work the middle with quality next to him instead of trying to overcompensate for both sides.

They've both progressed for sure. Frederick was a revelation last year -- but part of that was because we were used to dogshit at the position.

This year he's even better and should be in the conversation for Pro Bowl. He's taken a big step and amazingly enough he should be even better next year.

NoDak · Oct 23, 2014

mschmidt64 said:
So you're saying the difference in production is the OL then?

Or the team continuing to run instead of just thinking of it as something to do to break the monotony.

Cowboysrock55 · Oct 23, 2014

NoDak said:
Or the team continuing to run instead of just thinking of it as something to do to break the monotony.

Hard to have a lot of yards when you only get 10-15 carries a game.

Cotton · Oct 23, 2014

Cowboysrock55 said:
No one else on the roster can long snap. Without him we'd be screwed.

So, LP is in your top 3... noted.

boozeman · Oct 23, 2014

mschmidt64 said:
So you're saying the difference in production is the OL then?

They are producing because they are committed to and believe in running the ball. Any statistical way you look at it, the raw average numbers are the same.

We went from a running less than 40 percent of the time on first down to running it nearly at 60 percent.

That's not because Leary and Frederick got better after their first season.

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