Poll: Obama worst president since WWII

UncleMilti

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And what does that supposed to mean does a person being on assistance automatically make them a negative vote?

And is this an Obama thing or a democratic thing?
Obama campaigned on helping those in need and not cutting back on welfare, whereas Romney campaigned on getting people on welfare back to work and getting those who were suckling the assistance teet, off the teet and back and into the workforce.

92% of those on welfare liked Obamas idea.

Coincidence?

Understand I am not nor was I a Romney fan....but that part he had correct. Too many people on welfare and assistance. This country is crumbling by the day with the small businesses and working class being crushed and taxed to death trying to support and sustain those who refuse to work.
 
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UncleMilti

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The healthcare thing is an abomination. Not just for the everyday Joe but especially businesses. It will be his failed legacy.

As for Iraq, he killed Osama, something Cheney did not want to do. Big whoop.

The fact that you came up with maybe 1.5 reasons out of five tells me all I need to know.

Look, Dubya was a complete suckass, a complete puppet.

But Obama is not any better in terms of fixing what ails this country. And it is not like he was a figurehead. He had a real chance to do something and he went into the cornfield with idiocy.

In fact, I think Obama made things worse.
This. I can speak with experience as an owner of a company that had 200 employees when things were booming.

I will NEVER be able to hire more than 50 employees now, no matter how busy I get. To be required to insure all my employees would net me even based on my profit margins over the last 10 years. I probably would lose based on the higher payroll taxes.

To dovetail into that, Obama did not renew the payroll tax cuts that helped small businesses and their employees.
Better off to stay with 40 employees and pick and chose my contracts.

I am one of millions of Small Business owners who have said that according to the SBA. Think of the ramifications.

I guess they didn't have any small business courses at "Community Organizer University".
 

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This. I can speak with experience as an owner of a company that had 200 employees when things were booming.

I will NEVER be able to hire more than 50 employees now, no matter how busy I get. To be required to insure all my employees would net me even based on my profit margins over the last 10 years. I probably would lose based on the higher payroll taxes.

To dovetail into that, Obama did not renew the payroll tax cuts that helped small businesses and their employees.
Better off to stay with 40 employees and pick and chose my contracts.

I am one of millions of Small Business owners who have said that according to the SBA. Think of the ramifications.

I guess they didn't have any small business courses at "Community Organizer University".
Same thing here at Tech. Our transit provider, McDonald Transit had their healthcare costs go up almost 20% overnight. They had to choose to between keeping full-timers on or hire a ton of part-time operators. Since the oil field is booming just south of us, they had to go the route of full-time employees since most with CDL's are migrating south. In turn they are going to have to go up on their rates, which forced up to go up on students' tuition. It's a trickle affect that is killing us (and the students) this year.
 

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This. I can speak with experience as an owner of a company that had 200 employees when things were booming.

I will NEVER be able to hire more than 50 employees now, no matter how busy I get. To be required to insure all my employees would net me even based on my profit margins over the last 10 years. I probably would lose based on the higher payroll taxes.

To dovetail into that, Obama did not renew the payroll tax cuts that helped small businesses and their employees.
Better off to stay with 40 employees and pick and chose my contracts.

I am one of millions of Small Business owners who have said that according to the SBA. Think of the ramifications.

I guess they didn't have any small business courses at "Community Organizer University".
That is just sick, it is like a story from Italy, not America.

Bu nothing to see here, move on people...
 

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I think it is sad how these presidents are scared out of their minds to make real progress with the immigration mess. Nobody wants to piss off the Mexicans. It is depressing to watch president after president having no courage whatsoever.

The best recent past president was Clinton. And trust me, that stings for me to have to say.
I agree with that and like you I lean to the right.
 

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What is the answer to health care then?

If you can afford it, great.

If not, fuck off and die?
 

jeebs

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What is the answer to health care then?

If you can afford it, great.

If not, fuck off and die?
I got in a car wreck when i was 19. I had insurance. I told the hospital to send the bills to insurance, but they called me for months threatening me with a $22,000 bill. After 6 months apparently hospitals aren't allowed to call you anymore, and they billed my insurance. My insurance "negiotiated" the bill to under 3 grand. There is something so wrong here I don't know where to begin, if you are a multinational you get one price and if you are poor you get another 10 times more?

Look at any small practice, one doctor and a staff of five to bill insurance. Well without that paperwork a doctor could charge half as much and make the same money.

Basically there are ways to improve the system, not codify it as is and make everyone else pay double for their insurance so you can subsidize 10% of he population.
 

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What is the answer to health care then?

If you can afford it, great.

If not, fuck off and die?
There were already free clinics in place. This was all about socializing health care, and it flopped... horribly.
 

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What is the answer to health care then?

If you can afford it, great.

If not, fuck off and die?
Health care is a product that is available for purchase like any other product in the market place. There are all sorts of plans and you choose what is affordable. It's no different than buying a house or car. You find something that fits your budget. The idea that everyone is entitled or has rights to have this is simply incorrect. While it sounds callous it is true in a capitalistic economic system. If the entitlement ideology were applied a cross the board everyone would have a Mercedes and live in a mansion even though they couldn't afford to pay for it. While that sounds good it is an impossibility because the funding to pay for the things that are presupposes to be entitlements would completely bankrupt the country and the productivity would cease then the entire country would be in chaos. Health care is simply a matter of affordability and to change it to a socialized medicine approach will have economic ramifications that may become too extreme to correct.
 

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Health care is a product that is available for purchase like any other product in the market place. There are all sorts of plans and you choose what is affordable. It's no different than buying a house or car. You find something that fits your budget. The idea that everyone is entitled or has rights to have this is simply incorrect. While it sounds callous it is true in a capitalistic economic system. If the entitlement ideology were applied a cross the board everyone would have a Mercedes and live in a mansion even though they couldn't afford to pay for it. While that sounds good it is an impossibility because the funding to pay for the things that are presupposes to be entitlements would completely bankrupt the country and the productivity would cease then the entire country would be in chaos. Health care is simply a matter of affordability and to change it to a socialized medicine approach will have economic ramifications that may become too extreme to correct.
Exactly, and this is why a socialist style economy and gov't has never lasted for any length of time. Canada is the closest you can get to calling it a success, and even they aren't truly socialist across the board.
 

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Exactly, and this is why a socialist style economy and gov't has never lasted for any length of time. Canada is the closest you can get to calling it a success, and even they aren't truly socialist across the board.
Canada is socialis for the bottom tier medicine and just doesn't have the advanced techniques, those are exported to the US
 

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Same thing here at Tech. Our transit provider, McDonald Transit had their healthcare costs go up almost 20% overnight. They had to choose to between keeping full-timers on or hire a ton of part-time operators. Since the oil field is booming just south of us, they had to go the route of full-time employees since most with CDL's are migrating south. In turn they are going to have to go up on their rates, which forced up to go up on students' tuition. It's a trickle affect that is killing us (and the students) this year.
And yet when the economy blows up again, it will be blamed on capitalism and the government will expand its regulatory power.

Also, here's a blog from a guy who runs a private, for-profit surgery center that doesn't take Medicare or deal with insurance companies. His facility offers procedures at a fraction of the regular cost with more time spent on providing the care as well because they don't have to deal with all of the ridiculous red tape: http://surgerycenterofoklahoma.tumblr.com/
 
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My insurance just flat doubled because of this shit.
 

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I got off lucky on Obamacare, I work for the State, but Obamacare is the reason I'm pretty much afraid to stop working a government job.
 

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does a person being on assistance automatically make them a negative vote?
It's a great system. The deadbeats get to vote themselves more and more stuff paid for by the people that actually do all the work. What is there not to like?

Sigh...
 

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That is the shittiest defense for socialized medicine ever posted. Good grief...
Again, there were already free clinics in place before this charade. They used the whole "everyone should have insurance; even the poor" as an excuse to enact such a ridiculous program. It wasn't done for the poor. It was done for an agenda. One that I pray doesn't see the full light of day before we can get that POS out of office.
 

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Again, there were already free clinics in place before this charade. They used the whole "everyone should have insurance; even the poor" as an excuse to enact such a ridiculous program. It wasn't done for the poor. It was done for an agenda. One that I pray doesn't see the full light of day before we can get that POS out of office.
Free clinics for cancer? Heart disease and so on?

Please, elaborate.
 

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Medicaid.
Until Obamacare that was mostly for retards that had no income because they couldn't work or the disabled. If you had a minimum wage job with no benefits you still made too much for Medicaid in most states unless pregnant.
 
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