Mark Cuban: NFL is a fat pig, will get slaughtered

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NFL answers Mark Cuban's 'hoggy' criticism; Jerry Jones: ' I know more about pigs than Mark'

By Eric Adelson1 hour agoYahoo Sports

ORLANDO, Fla. – Roger Goodell has entered the Shark Tank.

So has Jerry Jones.

Mark Cuban's apocalyptic comments predicting implosion for the NFL within a decade made him the talk of the owners meetings here Monday, even though Cuban is not an owner of an NFL team.


The Dallas Mavericks owner got a lot of people buzzing when he said over the weekend that the NFL's push into playing games Thursdays, Saturdays and perhaps another weekday will result in fan ennui or even revolt.

"I think the NFL is 10 years away from an implosion," Cuban said Sunday evening. "I'm just telling you: Pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered. And they're getting hoggy. Just watch. Pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered. When you try to take it too far, people turn the other way. I'm just telling you, when you've got a good thing and you get greedy, it always, always, always, always, always turns on you. That's rule No. 1 of business."

Cuban, who is the star of the reality show "Shark Tank," received some blowback from fellow Dallas billionaire Jerry Jones on Monday.

"I respect Mark,'' the Cowboys owner told the Dallas Morning News. "But with all due respect, I know more about pigs than Mark does. I was taught as a Razorback to be lean and mean, not a little fat pig."

Goodell, asked about Cuban's comments at Monday's media conference here, said he wasn't aware of them. He responded anyway.

"Monday Night Football has been around since 1970," Goodell said. "Sunday Night Football has been around since 2006 and so has Thursday Night Football. We've taken, I think in a very incremental and thoughtful approach, how we've taken more games to a national platform. That's been in a large part driven by our fans. The fans want those games."

It's hard to argue against Goodell's point. There seems to be no end to the demand for the NFL. What was once confined largely to 16 weekends, a few weeks of playoffs and the draft is now a year-round drama with its own network. Although there are issues about keeping stadiums filled, those concerns are nothing compared to other pro leagues, including the NBA.

Cuban pointed to "Who Wants to Be A Millionaire?" the wildly popular show that spiraled after it expanded. That's a strong point, but there's a huge difference: A major part of the insatiable demand for the NFL comes from the millions of non-rich football owners around the world: fantasy football owners. They keep feeding the engine that drives interest in not only stars and top franchises, but middling players in smaller markets. Even if you don't care about the Saints or Eagles, you probably care a lot about running back Darren Sproles joining a fast-paced offense in Philadelphia. Although the NBA has fantasy basketball, it's nothing like what the NFL has.

"I think this is very thoughtful, strategic, and frankly, it's a response to the fans," Goodell said. "That's what we're interested in. We're focusing our strategy and our fans and how we serve them better."

Cuban shouldn't be dismissed. His business acumen is unquestioned. So is his constant attention to what consumers want. His point becomes more credible when the most popular sports of the last century are considered. They included horse racing, boxing and baseball. None of those sports are the most popular now.

That's why Jones was more playful than dismissive of Cuban.

"I agree with him and run scared," Jones said. "Any time you're having success, then it's a fool who's not aware that that could change. I'm proud of the success we're having and want to continue at the league and franchise level to improve and have a better product for our fans. If we can do that, then we can maintain our relevance."

The expansion that might imperil the NFL might not be weekday expansion, but franchise expansion. As the recent history of the NHL shows, adding more teams dilutes the product. Boring football is almost as unwatchable as boring basketball. Just look at the December college bowl game rotation for proof.

As for now, though, that's not a problem at the pro level. Scoring in the NFL is up without ruining the chances of the league's top defensive teams, who consistently make the playoffs. The concussion issue is terribly frightening and serious, but (perhaps disturbingly) the popularity of the sport hasn't been lessened. That may change as we see more of the effects of years of hitting. At this point, though, the NFL seems to be at the peak of its power.

The only problem with that is what usually comes after a peak.
 

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Sunday Night Football has been around longer than since 2006.
 

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Wait a minute. The NBA plays just about every night for about 8 months. The other teams sports are way more saturated than the NFL.

Besides, I don't think it was ever the number of games per week that propelled the NFL. It's that there are so few games in a season. Each game is a big deal. And that won't drastically change any time soon.
 

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If anything causes the NFL to suffer a setback it's going to be changing the rules too much or this bullshit about international games.
 

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If anything causes the NFL to suffer a setback it's going to be changing the rules too much or this bullshit about international games.
Nah. International games won't matter; NFL is such a TV sport it doesn't matter.

If anything, it'll be a player strike.
 

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Nah. International games won't matter; NFL is such a TV sport it doesn't matter.

If anything, it'll be a player strike.
If home revenue wasn't important, why do bigger, newer stadiums matter? Jerry seems to be making a lot more money since the Death Star was built.
 

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Wait a minute. The NBA plays just about every night for about 8 months. The other teams sports are way more saturated than the NFL.

Besides, I don't think it was ever the number of games per week that propelled the NFL. It's that there are so few games in a season. Each game is a big deal. And that won't drastically change any time soon.
Yep. Cuban has a lot of nerve discussing scheduling.
 

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Wait a minute. The NBA plays just about every night for about 8 months. The other teams sports are way more saturated than the NFL.

Besides, I don't think it was ever the number of games per week that propelled the NFL. It's that there are so few games in a season. Each game is a big deal. And that won't drastically change any time soon.
Exactly.

Fans do not want less football games. More televised games, even for those who do not have Sunday Ticket, can't be bad.

It will cheapen Sundays a little bit, but if the games are scheduled right, it will be huge.

What the league has to do with these additional televised games is avoid Jaguar/Titan games.

That was a big issue with the Thursday games last year. They were terrible matchups that only diehards would watch.
 

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Cuban: NFL issues go beyond TV


Updated: March 25, 2014, 3:07 AM ET

By Tim MacMahon | ESPNDallas.com


Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban elaborated on his controversial opinion that the NFL "is 10 years away from an implosion" in a 1,585-word Facebook post published Monday night, upping the ante to include player safety and behavioral issues as additional threats to pro football's future.

Cuban's comments about the NFL on Sunday night focused on what he perceives as "greed" by the country's most popular sports league.

He contended that the oversaturation of the NFL's expanding television package would eventually turn off fans. That subject was the third of five points in Cuban's Facebook post to explain his prediction for a drastic decline in the popularity of the NFL.

Cuban's first point was that the decline of popularity of football at the youth level due to safety issues could have a trickle-up effect. Concussions, in particular, are a hot-button issue for the NFL office.


"I wouldn't want my son playing football, would you?" Cuban wrote. "I'm sure helmet technology will improve over the next 10 years, but why risk it? There are plenty of sports to play. Plenty of ways to get exercise and if my son decided to do anything outside of sports and never pick up any ball of any kind, I'm fine with that. I can think of 1k things I would prefer him to get excited about doing.

"As far as watching, I [am] good with that.

"I don't think I'm alone. If we start to see a decline of popularity at the high school and then college level because kids choose other sports, it will hurt the interest in watching the NFL."

Cuban then explained why he considers off-field player behavior to be a potential threat to the financial health of the NFL.

"The NBA learned this lesson," Cuban wrote. "Fans don't like to see players acting the fool. While fans may forgive players over time, advertisers have long memories.

"It is hard to ask players to be warriors on the field and perfect citizens off. Across a population of more than 1500 players under the age of 30, you can bet that they will have continuing issues. With the unquenchable thirst the online and media world have for HEADLINE PORN, and the ever growing availability of pictures of those mistakes appearing online, it is not inconceivable that over the next ten years something could impact the perception of the game enough to impact attendance and viewership."

New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft, also chairman of the NFL's broadcast committee, told reporters Monday at this week's NFL meetings in Orlando, Fla., that he had "great respect for Mr. Cuban but I'm not sure I agree with his conclusion."

"He's a very intelligent man," Kraft said. "I can only speak what I know and I've been privileged to be chair of the broadcast committee. We have pretty lucrative contracts going for almost the next decade."

Kraft pointed to the popularity of the NFL on TV.

"Our ratings have gone up dramatically -- just look at the Super Bowl. It was the most-watched program in the history of TV," Kraft said. "Thirty-four of the top 35 prime-time programs in 2013 were NFL games.

"So if we have a problem I hope it continues for the way it was this past year."

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell also weighed in from Orlando.

"Our fans want those games," Goodell said of weeknight games, which Cuban had contended were a poor business strategy.

Cuban, in his Monday night Facebook post, clarified his stance on the NFL's expanding television package to say it's based purely on speculation that the league will overplay its hand. He called the NFL's current TV package "perfect" and added that it's "a great idea" to expand the Thursday night broadcasts.

"That said, if they continue this trend of adding games on more nights (I have been told they are looking at Saturday Nights as well) and this was the point I was making to ESPN yesterday, they risk over-saturation, a decline in interest by current, and non NFL fans feeling imposed upon because of the relative popularity of the NFL," Cuban wrote. "Some have asked, 'If you can supply programming that has such huge demand on more nights, why wouldn't you?' The answer is simple. No one wants to do the same thing every night. No matter what it is."

In the Facebook post, Cuban also discussed the value of fantasy football to the NFL -- and whether fantasy football has staying power as an entertainment option -- and the risk of TV changing as potential threats to the NFL's popularity.

"So the conclusion?" Cuban wrote.

"It's the same thing I tell my businesses and would tell every business. You shouldn't try to get every last second of a person's attention or every last penny that you can squeeze from them.

"There is a big difference between optimizing the relationship you have with your customers and maximizing short term revenue. Building customers for life is about building relationships and anticipating customer wants and needs.

"Customers/Fans/Advertisers know when they are being pushed. They know when they are being squeezed. It always ends up costing the business in the end."
 

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If home revenue wasn't important, why do bigger, newer stadiums matter? Jerry seems to be making a lot more money since the Death Star was built.
Again, so much money for the nfl is made through tv that the intnl games won't be the downfall as originally stated. For the non-stadium attending cowboys fans watching on TV, does it matter if the game is played in Washington, Tampa bay or London? We'll still watch.

as for the stadiums, of course more money is better than some money. Jerruh makes more money with the Victoria secret PINK line, but the NFL or jerruh wouldn't crumble without it. The owners pocket a larger slice of pie from Stadium revenue. But the nfl wouldn't crumble without new stadiums, just take less money like old stadium Oakland, buffalo, San Diego, etc.

back in the 60s, yes, stadium revenue was the main cash cow.
 
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Again, so much money for the nfl is made through tv that the intnl games won't be the downfall as originally stated. For the non-stadium attending cowboys fans watching on TV, does it matter if the game is played in Washington, Tampa bay or London? We'll still watch.

as for the stadiums, of course more money is better than some money. Jerruh makes more money with the Victoria secret PINK line, but the NFL or jerruh wouldn't crumble without it. The owners pocket a larger slice of pie from Stadium revenue. But the nfl wouldn't crumble without new stadiums, just take less money like old stadium Oakland, buffalo, San Diego, etc.

back in the 60s, yes, stadium revenue was the main cash cow.
Which is why I said setback, as in getting their fingers burned. I wouldn't delude myself into thinking even a single franchise could go out of business.
 

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I disagree with Cuban regarding games on multiple days. As long as it stays 1 game per Monday, Thursday and Saturday, the nfl won't lose viewership due to oversaturation. If the seahawks played the eagles on Saturday night, more cowboys fans would watch that game as opposed if it's at the same time as a cowboys game on Sunday. Secondly, a good amount of seahawks/eagles fans would still watch football on Sunday.

Football is culturally different than the other sports.
 
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