2022 Cowboys Draft Chatter Thread...

[boozeman]

There are still a couple decent free agent Olineman out there. Those aren't the ones Stephen is talking about.

Like who? Trai Turner is about it and I don't think they would view him as better than McGovern.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

I agree with him there. I normally hate trading up in the first few rounds. Almost never worth it unless it's super cheap.

His exact words were you'd rather have two seconds then one first. I think he was saying it that way because they don't think one of our firsts will be left by 24. So I think he is calling 24 a second round pick. Jerry is an odd dude.

 

[boozeman]

You think they can get a 3rd by trading a few 5ths?

Teams are going to value the 2nds and the 3rds. This might be a draft that is fat in the middle, I don't think the fifth round is any different in terms of quality this year versus any other. That means you are drafting trait guys that you hope can make the team on STs.

Hitting and getting a rare starter with a fifth is hard to do, especially when you have our braintrust.

 

[Genghis Khan]

His exact words were you'd rather have two seconds then one first. I think he was saying it that way because they don't think one of our firsts will be left by 24. So I think he is calling 24 a second round pick. Jerry is an odd dude.

Oh. Then I completely disagree with him.

 

[boozeman]

His exact words were you'd rather have two seconds then one first. I think he was saying it that way because they don't think one of our firsts will be left by 24. So I think he is calling 24 a second round pick. Jerry is an odd dude.

He sounds like he failing to articulate himself correctly. He is probably talking about their short board, which supposedly has less than 20. So once you hit that range where we pick, the board should point towards trading down.

 

[Genghis Khan]

Teams are going to value the 2nds and the 3rds. This might be a draft that is fat in the middle, I don't think the fifth round is any different in terms of quality this year versus any other. That means you are drafting trait guys that you hope can make the team on STs.

Hitting and getting a rare starter with a fifth is hard to do, especially when you have our braintrust.

I agree, that's what I'm saying. Even if we packaged all 4 5ths, no one is giving us a third for that.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Like who? Trai Turner is about it and I don't think they would view him as better than McGovern.

Daryl Williams and Turner. Some may say Erek Flowers but no thank you.

 

[boozeman]

Daryl Williams and Turner. Some may say Erek Flowers but no thank you.

I was referring specifically about guard. Williams would be the Cameron Fleming/Ty Nsekhe signing.

 

[ravidubey]

The gap between 2nd rounders and the top 10 might be closer this year than in recent years, but it's still a big gap.

This draft reminds me of 1991. Quality into the 3rd but thin at the top.

That draft produced:
5 pro bowlers in the 3rd round
3 pro bowlers in the 2nd round
3 pro bowlers from picks 11-27
5 pro bowlers from picks 1-10 (and no busts)

In that 1991 draft, we traded a 1st and 2nd rounder for the top pick.

So if the draft plays out like 1991 and you do trade up into the top ten, you are 50-50 getting a pro bowl player while a late first and a late second gets you 3/17+ 3/27 == less than 30% chance of a pro bowler.

True you likely get decent players at two positions.

So the question is from the top two rounds do you want two average players or one high quality one?

 

[Cowboysrock55]

I was referring specifically about guard. Williams would be the Cameron Fleming/Ty Nsekhe signing.

He started at guard in the NFL.

 

[boozeman]

He started at guard in the NFL.

And he wasn't as good at it as playing tackle. That's the Garrett approach.

"He has started games at guard in this league."

 

[boozeman]

Connor McGovern is an option, just not a good one.

Remember when stiffs like J.J. Wilcox were "eptions" as Jerry Jones would say?

That is exactly how I feel about McGovern.

 

[NoDak]

The gap between 2nd rounders and the top 10 might be closer this year than in recent years, but it's still a big gap.

This draft reminds me of 1991. Quality into the 3rd but thin at the top.

That draft produced:
5 pro bowlers in the 3rd round
3 pro bowlers in the 2nd round
3 pro bowlers from picks 11-27
5 pro bowlers from picks 1-10 (and no busts)

In that 1991 draft, we traded a 1st and 2nd rounder for the top pick.

So if the draft plays out like 1991 and you do trade up into the top ten, you are 50-50 getting a pro bowl player while a late first and a late second gets you 3/17+ 3/27 == less than 30% chance of a pro bowler.

True you likely get decent players at two positions.

So the question is from the top two rounds do you want two average players or one high quality one?

And we got Russell Maryland with that pick. Hardly worth the first overall pick of the draft. He was an ok player. But he certainly wasn't no difference maker. But since he wasn't a cornerback, it was well worth the price paid, eh?

 

[Cowboysrock55]

And he wasn't as good at it as playing tackle. That's the Garrett approach.

"He has started games at guard in this league."

No but he can play both! Position Flex!!!

 

[boozeman]

So the question is from the top two rounds do you want two average players or one high quality one?

The fact of the matter is, the shape of this draft does not lend itself to trading up.

Even the supposed elite talent of this draft is not exactly elite.

Just because they go in the first does not make them quality.

The real nature of this shitty draft is going to be pretty weird.

 

[boozeman]

No but he can play both! Position Flex!!!

I have no defense for this. You are the victor.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

The fact of the matter is, the shape of this draft does not lend itself to trading up.

Even the supposed elite talent of this draft is not exactly elite.

Just because they go in the first does not make them quality.

The real nature of this shitty draft is going to be pretty weird.

In general I hate trading up in the first for anything except a QB. Now if it's a few spots for a guy who is clearly better at a decent price, have at it. But there are far more probowl players drafted outside of the first round then there are in the first round. So while your odds are better the draft is mostly a numbers game. More picks usually means better chance of success.

This is more true now then ever. The draft is cheap labor so you can afford to keep your top players. If you don't have the picks to aquire the cheap labor, then you're Team won't be much of a team.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

I have no defense for this. You are the victor.

Nah, I like him better at tackle too. I actually think he would be a good idea to being in because he can at least compete at guard and if not win that job, be your swing tackle.

 

[NoDak]

The fact of the matter is, the shape of this draft does not lend itself to trading up.

Even the supposed elite talent of this draft is not exactly elite.

Just because they go in the first does not make them quality.

The real nature of this shitty draft is going to be pretty weird.

Correct. Which means this is one draft that I really don't want to trade up in the first. Even more than normal. Especially considering that I will be perfectly happy with taking whoever falls to us, considering we should have the chance to make our pick from guys like Zion Johnson, Kenyon Green, George Karlaftis, Chris Olave, Trevor Penning, Jordan Davis, Devon Lloyd, Nakobe Dean, Tyler Linderbaum, etc...

Sure, some of these guys will gone. Davis, or whoever. But some of these guys will be there. And will be worth the 24th overall pick, and even match up with a need we have.

Now, all we have to do is sit tight and hope we don't fuck it up by either trading up for one of them, or worse... Passing them by and drafting somebody like Bernhard Raimann.

 

[boozeman]

Correct. Which means this is one draft that I really don't want to trade up in the first.

When the entire first five picks are pretty much for sale with a softly lit red light, I wonder if Jones can resist.

The Claiborne pick was just so gross. And that was a better draft than this.