2021 Season, Week 6 | Gameday Chatter Thread | Cowboys @ Patriots | 10/17/21

[boozeman]

By design.

 

[ravidubey]

We have zero push up the middle, especially when everyone knows it’s coming.

Short yardage was shut down so many times Sunday.

 

[Texas Ace]

By design.

Remember the MNF slate from 2000?

That one was excellent too and probably the best prime time schedule for a season that I can recall.

 

[Hoffa]

I like the idea to go for it there. Titans offense was moving the ball at will and I'm not sure I would have felt confident in keeping them out of the end zone if they won the toss in OT.

You have 4th and inches with one of the biggest QB's in the league. Josh Allen should get that 9 times out of 10.

 

[ravidubey]

I like the idea to go for it there. Titans offense was moving the ball at will and I'm not sure I would have felt confident in keeping them out of the end zone if they won the toss in OT.

You have 4th and inches with one of the biggest QB's in the league. Josh Allen should get that 9 times out of 10.

It’slogic that I think ignores decades of league history.

IMO, take care of the score first, then press your advantage. The game’s 99% headed for OT.

Going by the modern computations ignores the human factor that the defense knows the fucking game is on the line and will sell out to stuff this one play.

It’s why the Titans now own the tie-breaker over the Bills. Fucking dumb-asses.

 

[Hoffa]

It’slogic that I think ignores decades of league history.

IMO, take care of the score first, then press your advantage. The game’s 99% headed for OT.

Going by the modern computations ignores the human factor that the defense knows the fucking game is on the line and will sell out to stuff this one play.

It’s why the Titans now own the tie-breaker over the Bills. Fucking dumb-asses.

A field goal is about as much of a guarantee as the Bills offense being able to move the ball forward a few inches. Especially after they had already gone 80 yards in like 2-and-a-half minutes. Most of the time, an offense that prolific with Allen at QB is going to get the first down. There's always outliers like there was tonight. But there's outliers on kicks too. Bad snap, shank, block, etc.

Bills will be fine either way. They are in a shit division and have a cake schedule coming up.

 

[data]

McCarthy’s opening drive 4th down attempt vs Patriots was worse than the Bills 4th down attempt. I’m fine with the Bills going for it or kicking the FG.

Three factors in favor of going for it as the Bills did:

• It was a foot
• The Bills have a strong mobile Josh Allen
• The Titans had already scored something like 5 of last 5 possessions, already topping 34 points.

Id be kicking the FG if the score was like 17-20 and it was like 4th and 2.

 

[Tony D]

I hate all our short yardage situations where we bunch up all the lineman, TE's, etc. You know the short yardage package. Why not spread everybody out and let your RB find a crease and gain 3 feet? What am I missing? The defense even has to play the pass.

Or bunch everyone up and play action to the TE? Has that play never not worked? TE blocks for like half a second and releases.

It's late, but what am I missing?

 

[Sheik]

I absolutely love the risk taking on 4th down, no matter who is doing it.

I don’t always love the play section or the execution, but the name of the game is to score points. The more the offense is on the field the better.

It didn’t bother me a bit to give the Pats a short field. Spotting them 7 points wasn’t a big deal, of course at that time nobody realized the refs were going to keep the game competitive by themselves.

I like it. I want more.

 

[Genghis Khan]

This is where analytics has gone mad. How do you not kick that? First rule is to not lose the game.

Correct. This is why McCarthy was correct in taking the field goal on 4th and 1.

First rule is to not lose the game is a great way to put it.

 

[Tony D]

Correct. This is why McCarthy was correct in taking the field goal on 4th and 1.

First rule is to not lose the game is a great way to put it.

I don't know. We had 3 TO's and the 2 minute warning. We don't get the 4th down conversion we can still stop them and get the ball back. Same as what happened when we missed the FG.

I have a feeling if we actually made that first FG we end up losing the game.

 

[Genghis Khan]

No, I meant getting stymied on back to back QB sneaks.

But we didn't. It was just called that way.

 

[Genghis Khan]

McCarthy’s opening drive 4th down attempt vs Patriots was worse than the Bills 4th down attempt. I’m fine with the Bills going for it or kicking the FG.

Three factors in favor of going for it as the Bills did:

• It was a foot
• The Bills have a strong mobile Josh Allen
• The Titans had already scored something like 5 of last 5 possessions, already topping 34 points.

Id be kicking the FG if the score was like 17-20 and it was like 4th and 2.

The game is not on the line in the first quarter. It's a huge difference.

 

[data]

The game is not on the line in the first quarter. It's a huge difference.

On the opponent 40, fine. On our own 34, though? We already got stuffed on 3rd and 1 right before.

You can say that our offense is good enough to make up a 7-0 deficit, worst case scenario, since we have the rest of the game...but then youre admitting our offense is good enough to be patient on subsequent drives to put up points and we don’t need to go for it absolutely now.

It’s not an all-timer horrible decision, but it’s worse than the Bills going for it there at the end

 

[NoDak]

It’s not an all-timer horrible decision, but it’s worse than the Bills going for it there at the end

No way. Not even close.

We still had over 3/4 of the game left to recover. Which we did. Their failure guaranteed the loss.

 

[data]

The game is not on the line in the first quarter. It's a huge difference.

Stringing this thought out, would you be in support of going for two point conversions in the first Qtr

 

[data]

The game is not on the line in the first quarter. It's a huge difference.

Had we been playing the Chiefs or a more powerful offense, doesthis sway your decision?

 

[data]

In any case, don’t paint me as an anti-4th down guy because I can understand us going for it. I’m not crucifying McCarthy about this like some others.

I just feel more strongly about the Bills decision to go for it.

 

[Cotton]

 

[Cowboysrock55]

It was pretty damn conservative but with a rookie QB, the lead and getting the ball in the second half it's debatable. He just didn't want his rookie to throw a pick six to Diggs. He knew he was lucky to have the lead at that point.