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Until this fascist cunt starts living like the High Sparrow from Game of Thrones I'm not going without shit.
Well, he certainly isn't going without shit, so fuck him.
 

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Until this fascist cunt starts living like the High Sparrow from Game of Thrones I'm not going without shit.
why is he a fascist?

I've got a total mental block to the word fascist and despite it being explained to me and looking up the definition multiple times, every time I see the word, I scratch my head in confusion. My aunt couldn't tell her left from her right, maybe I've got the fascist version of that
 

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why is he a fascist?

I've got a total mental block to the word fascist and despite it being explained to me and looking up the definition multiple times, every time I see the word, I scratch my head in confusion. My aunt couldn't tell her left from her right, maybe I've got the fascist version of that
Are you serious? Because he wants the flyover country of the world to suffer while he, the ruling class, goes without nothing.

For a usually fairly smart dude you can be pretty fucking obtuse at times
 

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Are you serious? Because he wants the flyover country of the world to suffer while he, the ruling class, goes without nothing.

For a usually fairly smart dude you can be pretty fucking obtuse at times
Lol, wut?

I may be obtuse but you're a hot head that lets your emotions get the best of you but I got nothing but love for ya cause I see your passionate and the type of person that if you're a friend, you'll do just about anything to have the back of those you care about so I look past your fits and try to understand where you're coming from. So sorry if that riles you up, its certainly not my intent.

Further, I'm not going to come here and talk of my ass about things I don't know or understand so if that makes me obtuse, fine and dandy. I'm open to being enlightened, that's why I readily admit when I dont know something and ask others to explain, especially when folks like yourself speak in such extreme absolutes

So how are coming up with your conclusions? What do expect him to do, give up all of his wealth and then he's allowed to have an opinion?

He, his wife and their foundation have devoted themselves to wiping out polio off the planet (& basically succeeded), he's working to redesign nuclear power plants so they're smaller and safer clean sources of energy, he's an intelligent guy that is doing a hell of a lot more than most people on the planet and given the resources he has, he could have chosen to be a playboy seeking carnal pleasures for the rest of his days but instead he appears to be working daily to see that his wealth does more than simply benefit himself and his family. I'd rather have extreme wealth in the hands of people like this than our government every day of the week and Sunday

Now this doesnt mean everything he says is gospel but he's done enough and I find him thoughtful & intelligent enough to make me want to listen and consider what he has to say and root him when I think he's doing something good

Is it the fact that he said lock downs could last into the summer or even 2022 that earned him the facist label in your eyes?
 
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Not sure why it’s so hard to grasp. He’s another ‘Do as I say, not as I do’ guy. Tells us we need to cut down on or travel. Cut down on our emissions. Etc... then continues to cruise around the world on a private jet.

Among other things.
 

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Yeah, his work against polio is great, but other than that I wish he had become a playboy (good luck with that, even money has its limits) instead of enforcing his view of how things should be upon me and the rest of the entire planet just so he and his elite buddies can feel good about themselves.

When you start telling me cow farts are going to be the end of the world and therefore I should be eating protein manufactured in a plant, you've gone off the deep end.

BTW, what's he doing about China building more coal plants every month and belching far more CO2 into the atmosphere than we do? Let me guess, absolutely nothing.
 

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To me the future of the world is important and everyone should have that in mind as well. However, at the moment everyone is dealing with speculation rather than having the point of view they espouse by showing solid evidence to support their stance.

The issue now and in the past is so loaded with political bias that the only thing that matters about the issue is winning the political position. Whoever has the political sway will continue to carry the banner of the in party point of view while the future conditions may not be studied for actual proof of the future of the planet.
 

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Lol, wut?

I may be obtuse but you're a hot head that lets your emotions get the best of you but I got nothing but love for ya cause I see your passionate and the type of person that if you're a friend, you'll do just about anything to have the back of those you care about so I look past your fits and try to understand where you're coming from. So sorry if that riles you up, its certainly not my intent.

Further, I'm not going to come here and talk of my ass about things I don't know or understand so if that makes me obtuse, find and dandy. I'm open to being enlightened, that's why I readily admit when I dont know something and ask others to explain, especially when folks like yourself speak in such extreme absolutes

So how are coming up with your conclusions? What do expect him to do, give up all of his wealth and then he's allowed to have an opinion?

He, his wife and their foundation have devoted themselves to wiping out polio off the planet (& basically succeeded), he's working to redesign nuclear power plants so they're smaller and safer clean sources of energy, he's an intelligent guy that is doing a hell of a lot more than most people on the planet and given the resources he has, he could have chosen to be a playboy seeking carnal pleasures for the rest of his days but instead he appears to be working daily to see that his wealth does more than simply benefit himself and his family. I'd rather have extreme wealth in the hands of people like this than our government every day of the week and Sunday

Now this doesnt mean everything he says is gospel but he's done enough and I find him thoughtful & intelligent enough to make me want to listen and consider what he has to say and root him when I think he's doing something good

Is it the fact that he said lock downs could last into the summer or even 2022 that earned him the facist label in your eyes?
Fine you give up your car and eat the fake meat while he goes about his life as usual, 'm not going to
 

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Not sure why it’s so hard to grasp. He’s another ‘Do as I say, not as I do’ guy. Tells us we need to cut down on or travel. Cut down on our emissions. Etc... then continues to cruise around the world on a private jet.

Among other things.
If its so obvious, then please post a few obvious examples, I dont follow his every move or hang on his every word but from what Ive seen and heard in various interviews and documentaries, I cant draw the conclusion he's a facist and thus far consider his contributions to be a net positive
 

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Yeah, his work against polio is great, but other than that I wish he had become a playboy (good luck with that, even money has its limits) instead of enforcing his view of how things should be upon me and the rest of the entire planet just so he and his elite buddies can feel good about themselves.

When you start telling me cow farts are going to be the end of the world and therefore I should be eating protein manufactured in a plant, you've gone off the deep end.

BTW, what's he doing about China building more coal plants every month and belching far more CO2 into the atmosphere than we do? Let me guess, absolutely nothing.
If he said cow farts are going to be the end of the world, please post his speech or video for his words and I'll check it out

In regard to coal in China, he was working with china to build nuclear power plants when the Trump administration shut him down which I dont have a problem with as I'd like that technology to originate and be used in the US first but everyone loses their mind when it comes to nuclear so apparently its never seriously on the table in the US.

Has anyone here watched this:


If not, I wish y'all would and report back with what specific issues you have or proof this documentary is inaccurate
 

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Fine you give up your car and eat the fake meat while he goes about his life as usual, 'm not going to
Come on man, you can do better than this as a response, cite a few examples of evidence demonstrating he's what you claim, it should be easy if its so obvious

and I dont give 2 shits about Gates, I'm interested in facts, so if he is what you claim, then I'll let the evidence sway me accordingly but if this is all you have, then I'll chalk your conclusions up to emotional hyperbole while keeping an eye out for any thing he says that might cause one to conclude he's a facist
 

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thank you sir, I'll read

Before I do, does his opinion on this subject make him a facist in your opinion, if so, how?

I dont know why I have such a mental block to the word facist, maybe its because its thrown around toward everyone and everything these days.

I think of power in the hands of a brutal few (like the Nazi's) as facist not people who hold opinions I disagree with but I'm open to expanding my understanding
 

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thank you sir, I'll read

Before I do, does his opinion on this subject make him a facist in your opinion, if so, how?

I dont know why I have such a mental block to the word facist, maybe its because its thrown around toward everyone and everything these days.

I think of power in the hands of a brutal few (like the Nazi's) as facist not people who hold opinions I disagree with but I'm open to expanding my understanding
I didn't and wouldn't call him that, but I can see where jsmith is coming from. Any time government and business merge to exert dictatorial control over the people, that's fascism. It's hard to not immediately associate it with Hitler and company, but that's technically what it is. (I know there are all kinds of banal sophomoric arguments about Fascism vs Communism etc all over the internet, but that's a simplistic definition.)

I don't think he was claiming Gates wanted to wear a swastika and kill Jews.
 

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I get what you're saying about fascim, @yimyammer .

We've recently heard it being thrown around from folks on the left and right, so it seems to have been reduced to a cheap insult anymore.
 

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Before I do, does his opinion on this subject make him a facist in your opinion, if so, how?

I dont know why I have such a mental block to the word facist, maybe its because its thrown around toward everyone and everything these days.

Fine would you feel better if I called Gates a hypocritical globalist cunt?

And it's spelled fascist
 

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thank you sir, I'll read

Before I do, does his opinion on this subject make him a facist in your opinion, if so, how?

I dont know why I have such a mental block to the word facist, maybe its because its thrown around toward everyone and everything these days.

I think of power in the hands of a brutal few (like the Nazi's) as facist not people who hold opinions I disagree with but I'm open to expanding my understanding
Yeah I'm with you, it's a word that gets thrown around way too often to describe someone whose opinion you don't like. Hell they did it with Donald Trump many times and that didn't even make sense.

There seem to be words that get thrown around so often that they just sort of lose meaning. It's like white privilege. It has been so overused for situations that it doesn't apply to that the words have basically lost meaning or impact.

As far as Gates is concerned he views himself as an elite who wants everyone else to live a certain way while as an elite he gets to continue living his uninterrupted lifestyle. Truthfully I think he is more just a hypocrite than anything. Although I get the fascist term because of his "globalistic opinions" where he basically wants people to abandon free economy and live a certain way for the greater good. While Bill Gates of course is exempt from that.
 

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I didn't and wouldn't call him that, but I can see where jsmith is coming from. Any time government and business merge to exert dictatorial control over the people, that's fascism. It's hard to not immediately associate it with Hitler and company, but that's technically what it is. (I know there are all kinds of banal sophomoric arguments about Fascism vs Communism etc all over the internet, but that's a simplistic definition.)

I don't think he was claiming Gates wanted to wear a swastika and kill Jews.
To be clear I didn't think for a second he wanted to do either on the jew/swaistica front

I would hope by now people can see I am vehemently opposed to government involvement in our lives except for the absolute minimum and then I expect it to be effective and highly functional (pipe dream)

I'm also a WW2 nut and know there were a lot of sacrifices people made in this country to help win that war which would probably be construed as facist under the current climate or at least by some folks in this country so I'm left wondering when and how we can cooperate for the greater good but I'm not sure thats possible anymore because it seems someone is always losing their mind over any issue

I realize many folks feel being concerned over the climate is bullshit and maybe it is on the extremes but protecting water ways, preserving spaces like Yellowstone, Central Park etc were good decisions imo. I only wish they could have stopped the clear cutting of the redwood forest earlier so as much as I despise government interference in our lives, sometimes its effective and beneficial to all and I want that to occur for all legitimate issues. I also would love to see the US 100% energy independent due to some type of fuel utilized or discovered because, regardless of climate change, fossil fuels wont last forever.

I haven't thoroughly studied it but I'm open to the effects of how the foods we consume and vehicles we drive effect the environment. Its clear it does on some level as smog used to be horrific in the 70's and its vastly improved due to required changes.

I cant stand on a soap box and definitively say what should or shouldn't be done because I don't know everything there is to know about all subjects to speak in such absolute terms but I strive to learn, ask a lot of questions and become more informed but unfortunately my mindset make some folks feel I'm being obtuse but c'est la vie, I'm still going to keep asking as I dont know any other way to become more informed.

I just hope those in the know will continue to share whatever facts and knowledge they have gathered regardless of how they may feel about me and realize my goal is greater understanding not pointless internet squabbles or personal attacks
 
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