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Genghis Khan

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Biden Transition Official Believes the First Amendment Has a 'Design Flaw' -- His Remedy Is to Curb Free Speech
BY ROBERT SPENCER NOV 14, 2020 1:51 PM ET

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Richard Stengel, according to the New York Post, “is the Biden transition ‘Team Lead’ for the US Agency for Global Media, the U.S. government media empire that includes Voice of America, the Middle East Broadcasting Networks and Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty.” He is also a menace to our constitutional protections and to free society in general. If he is any indication of what is coming, we’re in for a rough four years, or longer.



Stengel wrote last year in a Washington Post op-ed that the freedom of speech must be restricted, for “all speech is not equal. And where truth cannot drive out lies, we must add new guardrails.
I’m all for protecting ‘thought that we hate,’ but not speech that incites hate.”

What kind of speech “incites hate”? As far as Stengel is concerned, the answer is any speech that Muslims find offensive. He wrote: “Even the most sophisticated Arab diplomats that I dealt with did not understand why the First Amendment allows someone to burn a Koran. Why, they asked me, would you ever want to protect that?”

Well, maybe because a law forbidding criticism (including mockery) of any group establishes that group as a protected class that cannot be questioned, and that in turn would allow this group to do whatever it wanted without fear of any opposition even being allowed to articulate its case. The freedom of speech is, in sum, our foremost protection against tyranny. Without it, a tyrant can work his will without any fear of his opponents uttering even one cross word.

But instead of explaining and defending the freedom of speech, Stengel agreed with his “sophisticated Arab diplomats,” answering their query about Qur’an-burning with this: “It’s a fair question. Yes, the First Amendment protects the ‘thought that we hate,’ but it should not protect hateful speech that can cause violence by one group against another. In an age when everyone has a megaphone, that seems like a design flaw.”


Many other nations are fixing that “design flaw,” according to Stengel, and so the U.S. should also: “Since World War II, many nations have passed laws to curb the incitement of racial and religious hatred. These laws started out as protections against the kinds of anti-Semitic bigotry that gave rise to the Holocaust. We call them hate speech laws, but there’s no agreed-upon definition of what hate speech actually is. In general, hate speech is speech that attacks and insults people on the basis of race, religion, ethnic origin and sexual orientation.”

The destruction of the freedom of speech is an idea whose time has come, says Stengel. “I think it’s time to consider these statutes. The modern standard of dangerous speech comes from Brandenburg v. Ohio (1969) and holds that speech that directly incites ‘imminent lawless action’ or is likely to do so can be restricted. Domestic terrorists such as Dylann Roof and Omar Mateen and the El Paso shooter were consumers of hate speech. Speech doesn’t pull the trigger, but does anyone seriously doubt that such hateful speech creates a climate where such acts are more likely?”

Yes. I’m not in favor of the burning of any book, and I believe that people ought to read and understand the Qur’an rather than burn it. However, note that Stengel is calling for legal “guardrails” against “speech that incites hate.” If someone burns a Bible, no one cares. If someone burns a Qur’an, there are riots and death threats. So for Stengel, burning a Bible would not be “speech that incites hate,” but burning a Qur’an would be. Saying that “speech that incites hate” must be criminalized is tantamount to calling for the heckler’s veto to be enshrined in law.


Stengel’s statement that “the First Amendment protects the ‘thought that we hate,’ but it should not protect hateful speech that can cause violence by one group against another” means that if Muslims riot over burned Qur’ans, we must outlaw burning Qur’ans. That would only signal to Muslims that they can get us to bend to their will by threatening violence, and ensure that we will see many more such threats.

In Richard Stengel’s ideal world, non-Muslims are cowed into silence by Muslims who threaten to kill them if they get out of line, and by non-Muslim officials who react to the threats by giving the Muslims what they want.

Note also that Leftist and Islamic groups in the U.S. have for years insisted, with no pushback from any mainstream politician or media figure, that essentially any and all criticism of Islam, including analysis of how Islamic jihadis use the texts and teachings of Islam to justify violence and make recruits among peaceful Muslims, is “hate speech” and “speech that incites hate.” Thus Richard Stengel will silence that as well
, and the global jihad will be able to advance unopposed and unimpeded.

In a year or two I might tell you “I warned you this was coming,” but by then I probably won’t be able to.
 

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I fear most of the country is blind to the implications of this and would even support curbing free speech
 

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The day they make burning the koran illegal but it's still ok to burn the bible is the day they can kiss my fucking ass. Either it's ok for both, or it's not for both. They preach equality then try and push this shit?
 

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I think the battle is lost, every where I go people cozy up to government giving everything away for free, being involved in everything and now don't even bat an eye at the idea of curtailing free speech. Those who think this way seem to be growing by the minute with any opposing thought considered racist, homophobic, Neo-nazi, etc

I'm afraid my way of thinking is overwhelmingly outnumbered with no hope of changing

Even smart poker players I respect dont discuss whether the government should be funding all this shit in the first place. The question they're asking is why should people that went to college be forgiven the debt and people who didn't go, get squat. Its a great question but the better question is why did the Gov give 18 year old kids access to potentially hundreds of thousands of dollars when in all likelihood, they didn't understand the consequences of taking on this financial obligation? Not to mention the fact the free money drove up the price of school while simultaneously making it less valuable.

Government intervention at its finest!

The answer is most shouldn't have gotten this cheap debt in the first place and they most definitely shouldn't have it wiped out so politicians can pander for votes. Forgiving all this debt creates an odd dichotomy where not only are people disgruntled (because they didn't get some of that free $$ in the first place), they've now got their hand out asking for their piece of the free pie everyone else got. This mentality seems to just multiply like a damn virus (one I fear may be more consequential than Covid).

What planet are so many in this country living on where they think giving everything away for free is sustainable?

Further, now that people have bought into the idea of "free" health care, I'm seeing outrage when they encounter the inevitable bureaucracy and inefficiency government intervention causes but instead of blaming the cause of the problem (hint: its the government), they're outraged at the business!

I was reading a thread on Facebook (Idiot that I am) where everyone is pissed at a local ER clinic that opened to serve those willing to pay cash for faster, cheaper service. They'll take insurance but when they do, they have to charge more because of all the paperwork and IIRC, they told me it takes them like 3 months to get reimbursed by the gov. thus why they focus on cash customers and lower prices.

But most everyone in the thread is mad because they are letting people who are paying cash get tested and those who want to use insurance get delayed and it takes longer to get the shots (because of the damn bureaucracy the national health care they wanted created). Further, they're all mad at the clinic, calling them crooks, etc and all I can think is:

GO SOMEPLACE ELSE AND VOTE WITH YOUR DOLLARS!

You dont get to decide how a business wants to run their business idiots!! Let the market do what the market does best, if everyone agrees with your stance, they wont be around much longer. Its easy math but few seem to understand this basic economic concept and instead choose to act like they're owed something by a business, become offended and believe they've somehow been screwed over in the process.

Its mind boggling to me.
 
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Newsom, the piece of shit, the “wall” is the 10 year tax he wants to install on people leaving.

I haven’t seen details, but I wanna see what that involves.

This state is fucking trash.
Wait, he seriously said he wants to do that? I thought that was a Bee or Onion article
 

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They should lose the right to vote too as their judgement is questionable at best
 

yimyammer

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sure, why not?

27+ trillion in debt and counting and zero fucks given

they're not even trying anymore and straight printing money without retraint

How can this possibly end well?

What scares me is so many people I know who are smart aren't the least bit concerned and never ask whether the government should be "paying" for all this shit, they're more concerned over who should get the free stuff

Is personal pride completely gone?

I want to make my own way in this world, I want to be independent until my last breath, not some lazy bastard riding the back of someone else
 

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they're not even trying anymore and straight printing money without retraint
I think she believes money comes from government printing presses, much like idiot city dwellers believe food comes from grocery stores.
 

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A member of The Squad on a panel about dismantling antisemitism? :doh
 
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