Cowboys Free Agency Thread

[Smitty]

Been while since we had a Smitty/Other poster dust up. I'm here for it.

I'm not. He's not worth my time any more. Between his lack of reading comprehension and his personal insults, it's frankly beneath me at this point.

 

[Stasheroo]

Quinn had the best year of his career rushing the passer last year. Hence, the "last year" part of my statement above. Now, if you ask me "Who is the better pass rusher, Lawrence or Quinn?" I would give you Lawrence, but LAST YEAR, Quinn was simply better.

And it's amazing that it's even being discussed. Who cares who was better between he and Lawrence last year? It's not the point! The point is that Quinn is gone and this team has shit to replace him.

 

[Smitty]

Looks like Stash and Smitty are in here with that cabin fever.

What little I can add to that conversation, while I do have high hopes for Gregory because his get off was just ridiculous, in no way should he be someone who is counted on or even expected to contribute during the season. Especially at this stage in the offseason.

Why would he be someone you shouldn't count on at all?

I'm not counting on him to be a 12 sack guy, but I think expecting similar to 2018 is reasonable. We've seen it before, why not again?

 

[Stasheroo]

I'm not. He's not worth my time any more. Between his lack of reading comprehension and his personal insults, it's frankly beneath me at this point.

Thats and getting your ass kicked must be hard for you.

 

[Smitty]

And it's amazing that it's even being discussed. Who cares who was better between he and Lawrence last year? It's not the point! The point is that Quinn is gone and this team has shit to replace him.

What's amazing is your ability to simply gloss over the explanations for your questions.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

I remember Gregory looking very good in 2018. I hope my memory doesn't fail me and Gregory returns to that form. His burst was great and if he didn't get suspended I'd probably feel pretty good about DE right now. Hell I feel better about Gregory then any of the DEs we could have in this draft.

 

[NoDak]

Hey, did you guys know that in 1992, our best pass rushers were Jim Jeffcoat and Tony Tolbert? They had more sacks than Charles Haley.

In '93 Tolbert, Jeffcoat, and Jimmie Jones were better pass rushers than Charles Haley.

'Cuz, you know. STATS.

 

[Smitty]

I remember Gregory looking very good in 2018. I hope my memory doesn't fail me and Gregory returns to that form. His burst was great and if he didn't get suspended I'd probably feel pretty good about DE right now. Hell I feel better about Gregory then any of the DEs we could have in this draft.

I feel good about him straight up. I think he can return to 2018 form, why not?

I do not think what Gregory added in 2018 and what Quinn added in 2019 are that substantially different. Again, sacks do not tell the whole story.

 

[Smitty]

Hey, did you guys know that in 1992, our best pass rushers were Jim Jeffcoat and Tony Tolbert? They had more sacks than Charles Haley.

In '93 Tolbert, Jeffcoat, and Jimmie Jones were better pass rushers than Charles Haley.

Cuz', you know. STATS.

Oh snap! You learn something new every day.

 

[DontCryWolfe]

Why would he be someone you shouldn't count on at all?

I'm not counting on him to be a 12 sack guy, but I think expecting similar to 2018 is reasonable. We've seen it before, why not again?

Just because there is still a level of uncertainty to him due to the time off. And, I also said at this point in the offseason. It would be foolish not to try and upgrade that position now, be it FA or the draft, if something became available, and was a fit.

Now, if we’re deeper into things, and Gregory is reinstated, he’s in shape, and partaking in team activities, then my personal expectations will change. He is a very talented player. But that just still seems too far off to me for Dallas to be idle addressing the position now.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Why would he be someone you shouldn't count on at all?

I'm not counting on him to be a 12 sack guy, but I think expecting similar to 2018 is reasonable. We've seen it before, why not again?

The only thing that worries me is I have no idea what he has been up to for a year. Is he in shape, has he lost a step? That's the only reason to be worried about relying on him. We don't know if he is the same guy from 2018.

 

[Stasheroo]

I'm implying that I'd rather roll the dice on a guy who can take the ball away for 1/8th of the price than an elite cover guy who is allergic to the ball for 16 a year. Sure, in pure coverage it's a downgrade, but you can't resign everybody and as long as the money they saved on Jones is reinvested elsewhere (Sanders, Griffen, etc.) then I'm happy with it.

Money is a separate issue from the quality of player and level of play.

And if we were to draft Henderson at 17 you could easily make the argument that we're stronger at CB than last year, or even a guy like Jaylon Johnson in the 2nd or Cameron Dantzler in the 3rd.

No, you couldn't actually. You're still talking about an unproven rookie vs a Pro Bowl caliber player.

As an aside, are you saying you wouldn't take Chaisson or McKinney at 17?

McKinney I understand if you're simply looking to fill holes but Chaisson fills a pretty big need as the roster is currently structured and is definitely worth a top 20 pick.

Disagree. Chaisson is too much of a projection for me at #17.

And by the way, it's pretty idiotic to pigeonhole positions to rounds based on need, if there is an amazing value on the board like a Jalen Reagor in the 2nd or Michael Pittman in the 4th because other positions have been picked over, and you ignore it, you're making a massive mistake.

Good thing I'm not doing that. I'm saying defense - and an entire side of the football - would provide better value. But if the Pittman situation comes along in round 4 after I've added three good defensive players? Sure, count me in! But at that point, it's about great depth, not front line starters. Need has to factor in somewhere.

If a quarterback like Herbert is there at #17 are the Cowboys drafting him?

 

[Stasheroo]

What's amazing is your ability to simply gloss over the explanations for your questions.

When it's nonsense, it's easy. Bring something with some semblance of validity.

 

[Stasheroo]

Hey, did you guys know that in 1992, our best pass rushers were Jim Jeffcoat and Tony Tolbert? They had more sacks than Charles Haley.

In '93 Tolbert, Jeffcoat, and Jimmie Jones were better pass rushers than Charles Haley.

'Cuz, you know. STATS.

Wow, what a sad, pathetic attempt at diversion. Is that what guys like you do here when you get your ass kicked logically? Tantrums?

 

[Stasheroo]

Looks like Stash and Smitty are in here with that cabin fever.

What little I can add to that conversation, while I do have high hopes for Gregory because his get off was just ridiculous, in no way should he be someone who is counted on or even expected to contribute during the season. Especially at this stage in the offseason.

I'm glad I'm not the only rational person here.

As of today, Randy Gregory is not even an NFL player. But some fanboys already have him penciled in as Quinn's replacement.

 

[Smitty]

The only thing that worries me is I have no idea what he has been up to for a year. Is he in shape, has he lost a step? That's the only reason to be worried about relying on him. We don't know if he is the same guy from 2018.

But he was off for a year prior to that.

Yes, there is uncertainty, no doubt, but there's uncertainty that any free agent you sign isn't going to sandbag it as well. It's just different degrees of certainty and uncertainty.

I see no reason not to say it's more likely than not he shows up in shape and dedicated like he did the last time.

 

[Stasheroo]

I remember Gregory looking very good in 2018. I hope my memory doesn't fail me and Gregory returns to that form. His burst was great and if he didn't get suspended I'd probably feel pretty good about DE right now. Hell I feel better about Gregory then any of the DEs we could have in this draft.

Nothing wrong with a little optimism.

Just remember that Gregory was also out there when the Rams ran for 273 yards in the playoffs.

 

[boozeman]

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[NoDak]

Wow, what a sad, pathetic attempt at diversion. Is that what guys like you do here when you get your ass kicked logically? Tantrums?

I was just going by the criteria set by you. YOU are the one that is going strictly off of sack numbers. I figured you would appreciate that.

Also, just because you apparently like to say you are "kicking ass" doesn't make it so. Does provide a bit of comedic relief, tho. So thanks for that.

And tantrums? Did you just say tantrums? You should reread the thread and pay attention to where the tantrums are popping up. Again, thanks for the laffs. The zone is strong in this one.

 

[Stasheroo]

Just because there is still a level of uncertainty to him due to the time off. And, I also said at this point in the offseason. It would be foolish not to try and upgrade that position now, be it FA or the draft, if something became available, and was a fit.

Now, if we’re deeper into things, and Gregory is reinstated, he’s in shape, and partaking in team activities, then my personal expectations will change. He is a very talented player. But that just still seems too far off to me for Dallas to be idle addressing the position now.

Much less to think that he would slide right in and replace Quinn with "no significant dropoff".