Garrett Watch Thread...

[Cotton]

Yeah, I mean, I don't agree with your characterization of him "always throwing everyone else under the bus," I don't agree that sometimes when he placed blame on a player or other coach that it wasn't warranted and the correct response, I don't agree that it is at all proven that he sabotaged Wade Phillips, I don't agree with your characterization that he is a personal or professional POS.

And yes, I do think you are making it up for your agenda of being angry at him.

Did he do some of those things, some of the time? Maybe. It's a debate, and it's a much longer debate than I'm going to have at this moment in time, but suffice to say, I think those things are largely fabrications out of anger and a desire to see him replaced due to underachieving, and I will say as such.

It's not a debate. He DID THOSE THINGS. Speaking of people making shit up.

 

[bbgun]

Hopefully if he goes with someone like Campbell he gets tremendously lucky.

what did I tell you about hiring people with old Dallas ties?

 

[NoDak]

and has actually gotten the benefit of the doubt, which I think was relatively merited given the circumstances

You just can't help yourself. Fight the good fight, right to the bitter end.


Nobody, in the same situation, on any other team would have been given as much rope is this fucking guy. Nobody.

 

[Smitty]

He did what things? Called out other players or coaches? Yeah, so does every coach.

Where it becomes a problem is if it's wrongful or misplaced and that is entirely up to debate.

 

[Sheik]

what did I tell you about hiring people with old Dallas ties?

Jerry I think likes doing that because he doesn’t have to let complete outsiders in on what kind of fucked up shit goes on with this franchise.

 

[Smitty]

You just can't help yourself. Fight the good fight, right to the bitter end.


Nobody, in the same situation, on any other team would have been given as much rope is this fucking guy. Nobody.

We don't know that. Again, the best argument is that he would have been fired after those first three 8-8 seasons.

Once we get past that, there is a legit argument for giving him a pass in 2015 after the Romo injury. And actually not many teams fire their coaches coming off appearances in the second round of the playoffs, so that eliminates 2016 and 2018. It was just fortunate timing for Garrett as a second consecutive missed playoffs in 2016 or 2018 would have ended it.

This year there are no excuses and we see he's gonna be gone.

 

[NoDak]

Did he do some of those things, some of the time? Maybe. It's a debate.

I think those things are largely fabrications

God damn, Schmitty. THIS is what Garrett has led you to?

You seriously believe this? Come on, man. I know you are smarter than this.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

“The one thing I can say about Jason is that he’s been super consistent regardless of the highs and lows, the 13-3 season, the 7-9s, whatever, he’s the same guy,’’ Smith said. “He’s going to be there clapping.’’

I was positive you added this in until I googled it.

 

[Smitty]

God damn, Schmitty. THIS is what Garrett has led you to?

You seriously believe this? Come on, man. I know you are smarter than this.

I do not believe Garrett deliberately sabotaged Wade Phillips, at least to any effect where it actually mattered as to Wade's flame-out, and I do not believe he is some accountability-skirting loser who always blamed everyone else for his shortcomings.

I think you and a handful of others are taking press conference soundbytes out of context -- and press conferences are completely meaningless anyway for any understanding as to what is happening behind the scenes, especially with a coach like Garrett.

I think maybe he didn't realize some of his shortcomings were shortcomings, but well, that's why he's getting fired today.

 

[Cotton]

I was positive you added this in until I googled it.

Nope, he said it.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Rivera is a slightly above average retread who the Skins are apparently making their de facto GM, probably not the best example when clamoring for the team to make a smart decision.

I think he has the pieces on defense to make them pretty good on that side of the ball. I'd have little faith in that offense though. I think them and the Giants will waste years on bad QBs.

 

[yimyammer]

Can we please hire someone who has no prior connection to Jerry or the Cowboys? Can we fucking hire the best guy available and not some warmed over candidate Jerry knows or is most comfortable with?

No!

 

[Genghis Khan]

If we don't get one of the "splash" guys (Meyer, Riley, pie in the sky shot for Payton, etc.) I think Campbell is the guy, which I'd be pretty happy with depending on what type of staff he brings in.

I wouldn't love the fact that it'd be a "in the family" type of hire but I think Campbell is objectively a very solid HC candidate.

I'm leaning towards Campbell as my top pro candidate. Coached under Payton. Played for Parcells. Believes in hard practices and has actually shown some coaching acumen in his career.

 

[Cotton]

Speaking of pieces of shit.

 

[Smitty]

Speaking of pieces of shit.

Stupid too. But hey, any of 500 coaches can coach this team, no need to jump on the best candidates before they are gone.

The most important qualification for this job remains being able to work with the GM.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

I'd go with neither, putting your HC in charge of personnel or creating a "co-GM" type of situation literally never works unless you're Bill Belichick.

Snyder is the real GM there no matter what titles he gives out.

 

[NoDak]

I do not believe Garrett deliberately sabotaged Wade Phillips, at least to any effect where it actually mattered as to Wade's flame-out, and I do not believe he is some accountability-skirting loser who always blamed everyone else for his shortcomings.

When multiple players came out and said they were given completely different playbooks after Wade was fired, that told me all I needed to know about the situation. The offense looked as different as night and day. I can understand changing a few things. But a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PLAYBOOK? In the middle of a season? Riiiiiight.

And yeah... As far as him being an "accountability-skirting loser", all you have to do is pay attention over the years. Garrett rarely if ever (I can't remember a time) took any personal responsibility for anything. But there was always a convenient player or coach to deflect blame towards.

 

[Simpleton]

I think he has the pieces on defense to make them pretty good on that side of the ball. I'd have little faith in that offense though. I think them and the Giants will waste years on bad QBs.

They could have a pretty monstrous DL, assuming they take Young, to go along with Allen/Payne/Sweat, and I'm sure Rivera can parlay that into a competitive enough season, but that's pretty much all they have.

There is an argument that literally every positional group outside of their DL is bottom 3-5 in the league. People think their WR's are good because they made a few plays in games where they were getting blown out but they're mostly JAG's. I'm sure they'll spend in free agency but there are just way too many holes for them to be any better than a JAG, 8-8 type team, especially considering they don't even have their 2nd rounder.

And ultimately it will come down to Haskins, who is more or less shit, and looks to have multiple fatal flaws for a QB.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Speaking of pieces of shit.

Yeah that's so ignorant. Could you imagine if we went into a draft and said, we don't care what other teams do. We will just pick our guys after everyone else is done. Coaches are talent too.

 

[NoDak]

I'm leaning towards Campbell as my top pro candidate. Coached under Payton. Played for Parcells. Believes in hard practices and has actually shown some coaching acumen in his career.

I haven't really started digging in to who I'd like as HC. Call it being a little gun shy, afraid to believe Garrett was really going to be gone. But as of right now, with what I do know, I do like Campbell. I think he will make a good HC. Whether that's next year, or sometime down the line.