Garrett Watch Thread...

[UncleMilti]

It's normal to be skeptical because I too used to be that way with college coaches due to the failure rate of so many, but the way the league is going now it enables college coaches to be more successful than ever.

It's not like it was pre-2010 where most of the guys found themselves in over their heads. You're seeing more and more college schemes being used and implemented into the pro game and the average age of NFL HC's is getting younger.

You no longer have to have that iron-fisted 60 year old to get the players to buy in.

So if the Cowboys were going to go with an Urban Meyer type, this would be the best time to do so.

This.
The league has certainly changed, and it’s more like college football on the offensive side vs what pro football used to be IMO.
Meyer definitely may not be a great candidate but it’s hard to argue his success at 3 major programs. Whether that transfers to the NFL is a roll of the dice, just like Riley who IMO seems to be perfectly fine running a program that regularly competes in 54-50 type scoring games. Not sure I’m comfortable with that either.

 

[Genghis Khan]

I'm skeptical of the college coaches also, but I'm not sure there are any pro coaches to get excited about.

 

[Angrymesscan]

Bring in Meyer for the rest of the season, let's see what he can do with these idiots. He can clean house for the next season with an idea what he has to work with

 

[Cowboysrock55]

I'm skeptical of the college coaches also, but I'm not sure there are any pro coaches to get excited about.

You know sometimes it's hard to tell as fans. Like I mentioned before. Zimmer didn't look like some sure fire stellar assistant here. But he was forced to run someone elses defense. When given the chance to be a head coach and make his own decisions he has been great. I'm sure there are bright, hard working and talented coaches in the NFL like that. It's not always about plucking the assistant off the top offense or the defensive coordinator off the top defense.

 

[Foobio]

You know sometimes it's hard to tell as fans. Like I mentioned before. Zimmer didn't look like some sure fire stellar assistant here. But he was forced to run someone elses defense. When given the chance to be a head coach and make his own decisions he has been great. I'm sure there are bright, hard working and talented coaches in the NFL like that. It's not always about plucking the assistant off the top offense or the defensive coordinator off the top defense.

This is so true. I remember thinking Zimmer was such a bum at the time. But then who could realistically thrive in that sort of environment anyway? With a poodle as the head coach, and Jerry pulling the strings...The more things change, the more they stay the same.

 

[1bigfan13]

I’m just skeptical of Urban Meyer, is all.

Why would you be skeptical of a HC who has literally rebuilt 3 college programs and put them on a championship level?

Honest question. Is it age, health, system, etc.?

And before you point out that he coached at elite programs with top recruits and therefore always had a stacked deck consider this.

The guy is masterful at player development, which is a sore spot in Dallas. Florida and Ohio State always did well recruiting, but Meyer transformed those teams into powerhouses. His Florida, OSU, and Utah teams sent a lot of players to the NFL. Seems like he's sending at least 10 players into the NFL each year. Now compare that to other programs who had similarly rated top recruits. Programs such as Texas, Michigan, and Notre Dame. It's not even close.

I'll gladly take the coach who has repeatedly proven that he makes players better.

 

[yimyammer]

You know sometimes it's hard to tell as fans. Like I mentioned before. Zimmer didn't look like some sure fire stellar assistant here. But he was forced to run someone elses defense. When given the chance to be a head coach and make his own decisions he has been great. I'm sure there are bright, hard working and talented coaches in the NFL like that. It's not always about plucking the assistant off the top offense or the defensive coordinator off the top defense.

agreed and on that note, I feel like the best candidate might be someone none of us have heard of but perhaps has a lot of years in the league, tons of experience & respect among other NFL coaches.

If that person exists, I don't know how to find him and sadly I have no confidence the Dallas gm can either

 

[yimyammer]

Why would you be skeptical of a HC who has literally rebuilt 3 college programs and put them on a championship level?

I realize you're not asking me but here it goes anyway

My reticence would be that you can win in college by being an outstanding recruiter and crushing your competition with talent and maybe not be the best X&O, etc type of coach

In the NFL that cant be done (at least not for long) and requires a MUCH deeper skillset

Now I'm not qualified to say how deep Meyers skills are but I sure like him better than Garrett and Riley too but wonder what's up with the health issues and how that would play out under jeri & spawn.

Whoever comes her MUST find a way to convince jeri to make major changes in how the organization operates, otherwise we're just going to see more of the same thing we've seen for 25 years

 

[boozeman]

 

[Simpleton]

Generally speaking, if we are indeed interested in guys like Meyer and Riley, this is the time I'd expect to hear it. Meyer is obviously free anytime and after tomorrow Riley won't have another game for a month.

There won't be any smoke surrounding the NFL types for a few weeks for obvious reasons, so I'm glad that these buffoons are seemingly working back channels while the Garrett death march slowly winds down.

 

[boozeman]

Tell me again how things are going to change when Jerry dies?

 

[Simpleton]

Tell me again how things are going to change when Jerry dies?

You know damn good and well this is the company line, it's obvious that they pre-determined weeks ago that they won't fire Garrett mid-season no matter what. It's clear that they don't want to "fire" Garrett as much as just not retain him after his contract expires, which would be an appeal to Jerry's emotional pet cat bullshit.

If I had to guess Stephen is probably one of the only reasons Jerry didn't extend him after last year in the first place and that 2019 even turned into a "prove it" season.

 

[1bigfan13]

I realize you're not asking me but here it goes anyway

My reticence would be that you can win in college by being an outstanding recruiter and crushing your competition with talent and maybe not be the best X&O, etc type of coach

I addressed that point.

As I mentioned, Urban Meyer has proven to be outstanding in the area of player development. Simply bringing in a top 5 recruiting class doesn't guarantee on field success. See Texas.

I like that he takes talent and actually puts said talent in the best position to succeed. He's basically the anti-Garrett. He doesn't just talk in empty cliches and roll the ball on the field expecting his guys to simply "out-talent" the opposition. Meyer actually develops players and creates matchup advantages that favor his team.

He's definitely one of those coaches who can take your team and beat you with your own players.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I am loathe to underestimate his stupidity, and the Garrett example is his track record, but man that would be so stupid.

The only reason he might want Moore is because Dak supposedly loves him and has a great rapport with him.

I don't see why he'd even want to keep Richard after the way this defense has performed. Not like they have some long history together.

 

[Simpleton]

To his credit, Florida was pretty much a borderline top 25 team for several years both pre and post-Meyer, while with him they were a powerhouse, "blueblood" type of program. One of the biggest issues with him is that he seems to let things get out of control off the field as long as people are producing on the field, which happened at both Florida and Ohio St., but ultimately he probably wouldn't be in Dallas more than about 4-5 years so if he can cobble together a SB in that time, who cares?

 

[bbgun]

 

[yimyammer]

Tell me again how things are going to change when Jerry dies?

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[Chocolate Lab]

Check this out at about 3:45. Remember when Belichick was going crazy asking everyone where McVay was in the Superbowl last year? Meyer explains that. Think our Red ever does anything like this?


The whole series with him is great:

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[yimyammer]

I addressed that point.

As I mentioned, Urban Meyer has proven to be outstanding in the area of player development. Simply bringing in a top 5 recruiting class doesn't guarantee on field success. See Texas.

I like that he takes talent and actually puts said talent in the best position to succeed. He's basically the anti-Garrett. He doesn't just talk in empty cliches and roll the ball on the field expecting his guys to simply "out-talent" the opposition. Meyer actually develops players and creates matchup advantages that favor his team.

He's definitely one of those coaches who can take your team and beat you with your own players.

good points, if he comes here, I sure hope you're right and he has a special skill of how to manage his crazy gm/owner

I seem to recall an issue with Zeke not getting the ball enough while he coached at OSU but dont know if that was overblown or what

 

[Smitty]

I addressed that point.

As I mentioned, Urban Meyer has proven to be outstanding in the area of player development. Simply bringing in a top 5 recruiting class doesn't guarantee on field success. See Texas.

I like that he takes talent and actually puts said talent in the best position to succeed. He's basically the anti-Garrett. He doesn't just talk in empty cliches and roll the ball on the field expecting his guys to simply "out-talent" the opposition. Meyer actually develops players and creates matchup advantages that favor his team.

He's definitely one of those coaches who can take your team and beat you with your own players.

I don’t know if I agree, but if he ends up the next Cowboys coach, I hope you are right.