2019 Dallas Cowboys Primer Series - Week 3: Miami Dolphins

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Jason Garrett with Jerry >>>> Jimmy Johnson without Jerry Jones

Jimmy with Jerry >>>> Garrett with Jerry
 

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Jason Garrett with Jerry >>>> Jimmy Johnson without Jerry Jones

Jimmy with Jerry >>>> Garrett with Jerry
There’s no doubt Johnson was a great coach but I wonder how much the Hershel Walker trade would have mitigated the teams results had it never happened.
 

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Hilarious since his 2 playoff appearances in 7 years, if in Dallas, would have had you and everyone else calling him one of the worst coaches in football who “does nothing.”

Even fucks up special teams the same way.
That's a little dishonest, citing his "7" years. First, he was an interim HC with the Colts and led them to a 9-3 record. Then, he had 5 seasons in Arizona where he made the playoffs twice, going to the NFCCG once. He's only just starting his 6th full season, yet you claimed he has 7 under his belt.

Also, his QBs were Palmer and Stanton. Garrett's were Romo and Prescott. One of those guys had a pretty big advantage at the most important position. I think we can all agree which one. And he went to a championship game with his. We're still waiting on Garrett to do that.
 

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There’s no doubt Johnson was a great coach but I wonder how much the Hershel Walker trade would have mitigated the teams results had it never happened.
We drafted several great players because of it, but Jimmy still had Irvin (drafted yr before he came) and Aikman (he drafted). He also orchestrated several other excellent deals that helped the team (Tony Casillas, John Gesek, Steve Buerlien, Charles Haley, Thomas Everett)

Would we have won 3 in 4 yrs? Maybe not, but I have no doubt we'd have been contenders.
 

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We drafted several great players because of it, but Jimmy still had Irvin (drafted yr before he came) and Aikman (he drafted). He also orchestrated several other excellent deals that helped the team (Tony Casillas, John Gesek, Steve Buerlien, Charles Haley, Thomas Everett)

Would we have won 3 in 4 yrs? Maybe not, but I have no doubt we'd have been contenders.
Memory serves me that Aikman was already earmarked as the number 1 draft target by the Landry era. When Jones took over the selection was made for Aikman. Johnson brought in his former QB from Miami who later was traded.
 

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Memory serves me that Aikman was already earmarked as the number 1 draft target by the Landry era. When Jones took over the selection was made for Aikman. Johnson brought in his former QB from Miami who later was traded.
It wasn't like Jimmy Johnson didn't know who Aikman was.

Johnson ran everything while he was here from the moment he got on site. If he didn't want Aikman, he wouldn't have drafted him.

He also addresses why he drafted Walsh in the supp draft in his book. It had nothing to do with "getting his former guy" either.
 

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Memory serves me that Aikman was already earmarked as the number 1 draft target by the Landry era.
True. Gil Brandt has confirmed as much. Not that it was a hard decision considering our QB situation at the time.
 

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We drafted several great players because of it, but Jimmy still had Irvin (drafted yr before he came) and Aikman (he drafted). He also orchestrated several other excellent deals that helped the team (Tony Casillas, John Gesek, Steve Buerlien, Charles Haley, Thomas Everett)

Would we have won 3 in 4 yrs? Maybe not, but I have no doubt we'd have been contenders.
Just to add to your post, dont forget Jay Novacek. Quickly became Aikman's version of Witten.

Its amazing the talent Jimmy and yes, Jerry collected in short order. (Jerry being primary in getting Haley).
 

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That's a little dishonest, citing his "7" years. First, he was an interim HC with the Colts and led them to a 9-3 record.
Counting that year, he is in his 7th year and unlikely to make the playoffs this year. And to my knowledge he did not attend the playoffs that year, just like Garrett did not after going 5-3 in his interim year. It's an apples to apples comparison on that count.

Then, he had 5 seasons in Arizona where he made the playoffs twice, going to the NFCCG once. He's only just starting his 6th full season, yet you claimed he has 7 under his belt.
I did not say he had 7 "under his belt." I said he's got 2 playoff appearances for 7 seasons coached.

If you wish to say I jumped the gun in counting this season as a playoff miss, fair enough, but I think that's a pretty safe assumption.

Also, his QBs were Palmer and Stanton. Garrett's were Romo and Prescott.
And Garrett had the league's worst OL for a good portion of his misses.

But fine, Arians made the playoffs two out of five times.

Garrett will have an equal percentage once he makes the playoffs this season and Arians misses.

One of those guys had a pretty big advantage at the most important position. I think we can all agree which one. And he went to a championship game with his. We're still waiting on Garrett to do that.
Yeah, but Garrett has also built a sustainable winner at this point, while Arians teams were flashes in the pan. That counts for something too.

The important part is, they aren't that far apart as coaches, despite everyone acting like OMG GARRETT IS THE WORST and any coach who makes an championship game appearance one time is better.
 
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