Damned Tony Romo

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It's happened too often for him to not take at least some of the blame, BUT it has always been a team failure. Especially in 2007 with some early defensive gaffs and terrible late penalties and drops. The stats sheet will read "interception on 4th down, Romo", but it doesn't tell the story. At all.
I've never blamed it all on Romo. But far too often he's had a major hand in it. Even with a great supporting cast, can anyone really see the Cowboys winning 3-4 postseason games in a row without a Romo choke/meltdown some point along the way?
 

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What's worse... an INT leading to 3 points, or an entire game of horrific defense leading to 48 points?
 

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I've never blamed it all on Romo. But far too often he's had a major hand in it. Even with a great supporting cast, can anyone really see the Cowboys winning 3-4 postseason games in a row without a Romo choke/meltdown some point along the way?
There isn't a postseason where Peyton Manning didn't have a choke/meltdown. Luckily his supporting cast was good enough to keep him in the fight in 2006.
 

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Funny how Jerry made excuses and propped Monte Kiffin for aloowing 900 yards of offense in 2 weeks, but he was quick to blame Ryan for his performance last year while missing a lot of starters.

I didn't like Ryan, but I think it's bullshit that he doesn't hold everyone to the same standard.
Kiffin is blaming himself...no reason to pile on. Ryan would just be arrogant about it...big difference.
 

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There isn't a postseason where Peyton Manning didn't have a choke/meltdown. Luckily his supporting cast was good enough to keep him in the fight in 2006.
So what about Romo and the Cowboys? Really think Romo wouldn't meltdown for 3-4 high pressure games in a row?

Of course it's really a moot point since Romo normally meltsdown late in the season keeping us from even getting into the playoffs.
 

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So what about Romo and the Cowboys? Really think Romo wouldn't meltdown for 3-4 high pressure games in a row?

Of course it's really a moot point since Romo normally meltsdown late in the season keeping us from even getting into the playoffs.
That's one way of looking at it, certainly that was close to the case in 2008.
Would you really say that was true in 2011? What about 2009? Honestly was there anything that season that even remotely looked like a choke?

He had a shitty close out in Washington, but that capped off half a dozen games where he was nearly perfect. So I'd say it'd be incorrect to call it a late season meltdown.

So is it something that always happens? Or just something that you notice when it happens?

Remember when we beat the Super Bowl champion colts in 06, or the Giants and Packers in regular season of 07? Saints in 09, 49ers in 2011, we nearly pulled out a game against Baltimore last year, thanks to a great Romo performance. So we've won games against big teams.

#confirmation bias
 

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The Week in Overreactions: Tony Romo is a choker


By Ryan Wilson | CBSSports.com

October 8, 2013 7:45 am ET

'Just as we suspected, Tony Romo is a choker'

For 58 minutes Sunday, Tony Romo was, without question, the best quarterback on a field he shared with Peyton Manning. Then, with the game on the line and the ball in Romo's hands, disaster.

Another interception at the worst possible moment, another Cowboys loss that could've been avoided. All of which leads to the predictable week of critics and their all-encompassing "Romo is a choker" talking points, despite the fact that Romo, by almost every measure, is one of the NFL's best quarterbacks.

This isn't hyperbole. According to Football Outsiders' advanced metrics, Romo ranked fourth in QB efficiency in 2011 (behind only Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady), seventh in 2012, and he was fifth this season before Sunday.

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But here's the thing: Does it matter? Does it matter that Romo can hang with anybody for three-and-a-half quarters? And if the answer is "yes, yes it does," let us ask you this: Can Romo, 33 years old and 11 years in the league, change?

Because, really, those are the only two questions that matter. After the game, Cowboys owner and general manager Jerry Jones didn't sound like a man on the wrong end of another late-game Romo interception.

“This is a moral victory,” Jones said afterwards. “It's not a loser talking here. It's just this has a lot of the feelings of a victory with it. …

“Tony played the best game that I've ever seen him play in his career, not only from the standpoint of how he executed, not only how he created plays but his leadership, “Jones continued. “That was unfortunate that it came down to that at the end, but you can see the very best over on the other side of the ball, it can happen to them, too.

“He played the best game that he's ever played for us. If we can have that kind of play from him and others, especially on the offensive side of the ball, then we'll win most of our football games left.”

The reactionaries will dismiss Jones as a rich old coot who doesn't know anything about football. In general, it's a fair gripe. But this time, Jones is right. Moral victories in the NFL are worthless -- with one exception: the Cowboys play in the NFC East, the league's worst division. Near-wins against the AFC's best team does count for something, even if it's not quantifiable by any standard measure.

The Redskins, owners of one of the league's worst defenses and the Cowboys' opponent next week, will likely come out of Tuesday's film session wondering how the hell they're going to stop an offense that went toe-to-toe with the Broncos and Peyton Manning.


Romo's biggest problem isn't limited by his physical skills but by his impeccably horrendous timing. According to ESPN Stats & Info, since 2006, Romo has the fourth-highest fourth-quarter QB rating (behind Peyton Manning and Brees). Over that span, it includes 19 game-winning drives in the fourth quarter and overtime, which ranks fifth. Heading into Sunday's game, Romo had just one interception this season, and his 13 touchdowns was second only to Peyton Manning.

But the story changes when you break down Romo's fourth-quarter QB rating (again, from 2006 to present). In the first 12 minutes it's 80, second-best to Peyton Manning. In the final three minutes it drops to a below-average 44. He also has eight fourth-quarter interceptions, most in the league over that time.

But you know who else is on that fourth-quarter interceptions list? Tom Brady (7), Matt Ryan (7), Matt Schaub (6) and Chad Henne (6).

No one would be surprised by Schaub or Henne, but Brady and Ryan? Turns out, they make mistakes, too. In fact, Brady's Sunday afternoon against the Bengals ended with one of the worst interceptions you'll ever see. We didn't hear much about that because -- fairly or not -- Brady has three Super Bowl rings and Romo has a single playoff win.

So, back to the second question we posed above: Can Romo change?

"You are trying to win it, but you don't have to win it by yourself," former Colts coach Tony Dungy said on NBC's Sunday night pregame show. "If I'm [Cowboys coach] Jason Garrett, I would remind him every time he goes out there in that situation. Just take the ordinary play. It doesn't have to be spectacular. Take four, five, six plays to go down there and win it. You don't have to get it [all] in one play."

It's a reasonable request, one Romo has undoubtedly heard before. And on occasion, he's heeded that advice. In fact, he may have been trying to do just that Sunday but couldn't get out of his own way.

With the score tied 48-48 and 2:04 remaining, Romo dropped back, looking for tight end Gavin Escobar across the middle. It's a pitch-and-catch we've seen Romo complete hundreds of times, a play he could probably pull off blindfolded. Except this time, the Broncos' pass-rush collapsed the pocket, Romo's plant foot got tangled with the right foot of left tackle Tyron Smith (see below). And what should have been a straightforward -- and relatively safe -- throw (green arrow) went FUBAR (red arrow) in the split-second it took Broncos linebacker Danny Trevathan to make a diving interception in front of Escobar.

Eight plays and the final 1:57 later, Matt Prater kicked the winning field goal and the focus went from Romo's otherworldly 506-yard, 5 touchdown afternoon to those seven seconds that have come to define his career.

"It's embedded in him," said Rodney Harrison, Dungy's NBC studio colleague. "It's a mental block that he has right now. And when he [plays inside] of two minutes, he can't think about making mistakes."

Dungy added: "It's hard [to change that mindset in the final two minutes]. It doesn't seem like it's happening but you just have to relax and take that ordinary play."

Whether it does happen is another matter. But we'll reiterate what we wrote last week, after the Cowboys lost to the Chargers.

Yes, the Cowboys lost a game they shouldn't have. And yes, we've seen this before. But Dallas plays in the NFL's sorriest division, and the other three teams have huge issues -- the Redskins and Eagles have two of the worst defenses you'll ever see, and would anybody be surprised if the Giants ended up with two wins?

More good news: The Cowboys' have a chance to put some distance between themselves and the rest of the NFC East in the coming weeks. Their next two games are against Washington and Philly. Win those and the Cowboys are 4-3 (3-0 in the division), and San Diego and Denver are distant memories.

Is Romo going to lead this team to a Super Bowl? Almost certainly not.

Are the Cowboys a playoff team? Absolutely, thanks to their three-ring circus of a division.

Here's the bottom line: On paper, Romo is elite. And 95 percent of the time, that's who we see on the field. It's just that those moments -- whether bad luck or dumb decisions -- have haunted him throughout his career. Never mind that other legit franchise quarterbacks make those very same mistakes, or that the Cowboys' defense was steamrolled Sunday, a recurring theme this season that includes allowing three quarterbacks to throw for more than 400 yards.

Romo's skeptics can easily ignore those facts, and they'll continue to do so until he wins something. It's not fair but fairness doesn't have a dog in this fight. Jones' "moral victories" remarks aside, the NFL is a bottom-line business, and the Cowboys, but not the quarterback -- it's an important distinction -- have been mediocre during Romo's tenure.

Even Brett Favre, whose gunslingin' ways reminds us a lot of Romo, thinks the Cowboys' quarterback has been unduly criticized.

“It's the ultimate team sport,” Favre told the Dallas Morning News back in April. “I think it's misleading to say that a quarterback has wins and losses and say he was a part of one playoff victory. I think there are a lot of factors that go into the success of not only Tony Romo but any player. Just what little bit I've watched the last couple of years, it seems like they were a little bit in disarray offensively. I thought he did a good job, from what I saw, of managing and making plays. Does that get you in trouble sometimes when you try to do too much? Sure it does. But I think I'd rather have a guy who's willing to take those chances.”

And that's the point.

Now, through the confluence of awfulness that is the rest of the NFC East, Romo has the perfect opportunity to silence his critics. If his next 11 games look anything like his first five, not only will Dallas run away with the division, Romo will end up on the short list of MVP runners-up behind Peyton Manning.

Yes, I'm serious and, no, I'm not high.
 

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Romo will never win with this defense. He's got weapons and talent to score beaucoup points, but it doesn't matter.
 

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Eli Manning >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Romo
Yup, Romo only has a higher career winning percentage, higher completion percentage, higher TD percentage, lower INT percentage, higher Y/A, higher ANY/A, and a higher QB rating, but Eli is much better :lol
 

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Yup, Romo only has a higher career winning percentage, higher completion percentage, higher TD percentage, lower INT percentage, higher Y/A, higher ANY/A, and a higher QB rating, but Eli is much better :lol
He was posting that in sarcasm.
 

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Tony Romo has to prove us wrong, Chris Canty says


By Dan Hanzus
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Published: Oct. 9, 2013 at 08:42 p.m.
Updated: Oct. 10, 2013 at 12:26 a.m.

Poor Tony Romo.

The Dallas Cowboys star was this close to the greatest statistical performance by a quarterback in NFL history Sunday. Instead, well, you know what happened.


During a Wednesday appearance on NFL Network's "Around the League Live," Baltimore Ravens defensive end Chris Canty offered up his opinion on the matter. It's a familiar one.

"It's never been a matter of the talent with Tony Romo," Canty told NFL Media's Andrew Siciliano. "It's always been about the six inches between his ears."

Siciliano asked Canty, a nine-year veteran, if Romo's propensity for Greek tragedy can wear on teammates.

"I'm sure it does for those guys in that locker room," Canty said. "This is a football team that's tremendously talented. They want to win now. They have an opportunity in the division that they're in. It's a situation where your quarterback has to lead you. And so thus far he hasn't done that.

"That's one of the things that coach (Bill) Parcells always says, you are what you are in this business," Canty added. "And Tony Romo is a great statistical quarterback that always seems to make the mistake that costs his football team the game. That's what he's been so far and that's what he'll continue to be until he proves us wrong."

We can't say we agree with any of this, but Canty speaks to popular sentiment. If you ask us, Romo's mental game -- aka that six-inch real estate between the ears -- has kept him at an elite level.

If Romo weren't mentally tough, he would've washed out of the league years ago.
 

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What's worse... an INT leading to 3 points, or an entire game of horrific defense leading to 48 points?
A consistent running game would cure them both.
 

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By the way, going back to Carl's rejection of Rodney Harrison's claim of "Romo's profile that he'll inevitably mkae that costly error during his playing days in San Diego and New England"...

Facts
1. Romo and Harrison (as a NE Patriot) only played each other once in 2007. Harrison left the Chargers before Romo entered the NFL.

2. Romo and Harrison played in 2007 -- The Cowboys were undefeated at 5-0 going into the NE Patriots game.

3. Romo had only played 16 games as a starter up at that point. Romo had lost 5 games going into the NE Patriots game, all in 2006:
- Redskins 22-19 when Romo led Cowboys into game-winning FG try. Then the impossible happened with FG block and 15-yard facemask to Sean Taylor. No Romo involvement
- Saints 42-17. Cowboys just got blown out by Reggie Bush and Drew Brees. No Romo last-minute choke.
- Eagles 23-7. Cowboys just got dominated. No Romo last-minute choke.
- Lions 39-31. Romo lost two fumbles and had one INT, but passed for 23/32 and 321 yards, 2 TDs.
- Seahawks playoff game. Non-QB play as a bobble.


So....how was the choker label on Romo when Harrison and the Patriots played?
 

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Remember when we beat the Super Bowl champion colts in 06, or the Giants and Packers in regular season of 07? Saints in 09, 49ers in 2011, we nearly pulled out a game against Baltimore last year, thanks to a great Romo performance. So we've won games against big teams.

#confirmation bias
So we can beat 1 or 2 real good teams in most seasons. Great. But still has nothing to do with our record and Romo's performance down the stretch just about every year and in the playoffs. Can't.Get.It.Done.
 
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