Gosselin: Tony Romo the better passer, but Peyton Manning the better quarterback

[L.T. Fan]

I get it, L.T.....believe me, I do.

When your offense scores 48 and your QB throws for 500 yards and 5 TD's, you are supposed to win that game 10 times out of 10. That game should not have even hung in the balance after a performance like that.

But you know what? These things happen. Games don't always go as planned nor do they turn out the same each and every time. When it's all said and done, the most that you can ask for is a chance to win. If you put a contract in front of a coach that said he'd have the ball in a tie game with 2 min to play in every single game, he'd sign that deal and not think twice about it.

The point is, for as up and down as the game was and for how bad the defense played, Romo still had his chance. The chance that most NFL QB's love to be in. And as has been the case so many times before, he blew it.

It was was blunder that set the Broncos up for the game winning FG. Therefore, it was his mistake that was the costliest.

I think I will just declare a deadlock and wait for the next one.

 

[Texas Ace]

I think I will just declare a deadlock and wait for the next one.

That is the best approach to take.

 

[Genghis Khan]

Right here:



Forgive me if my understanding of the English language isn't so great, but based on my grammatical interpretation, this sure as hell sounds exactly like you're literally saying that he doesn't warrant any blame.

Don't get fucking smart. You implied EVER. Not just in that game. Maybe you need to figure out how to use the fucking language so that you say what you mean.

 

[Smitty]

Don't get fucking smart. You implied EVER. Not just in that game. Maybe you need to figure out how to use the fucking language so that you say what you mean.

Testy!

 

[Texas Ace]

Don't get fucking smart. You implied EVER. Not just in that game. Maybe you need to figure out how to use the fucking language so that you say what you mean.

Ok, so enlighten me and please tell me when of any of Romo's game-ending mistakes were his fault? Since one as glaring as this last one wasn't his fault, I'd like to see which ones actually are in your mind.

 

[Genghis Khan]

Testy!

His sarcastic response to me was not only uncalled for but inaccurate.

 

[Texas Ace]

His sarcastic response to me was not only uncalled for but inaccurate.

How was it uncalled for? A bit dramatic, yes?

You said that you never claimed he didn't deserve any blame and I quoted you saying just that.

I'm so sorry to have disrespected you so by taking it to such uncalled for lengths.

 

[Genghis Khan]

Ok, so enlighten me and please tell me when of any of Romo's game-ending mistakes were his fault? Since one as glaring as this last one wasn't his fault, I'd like to see which ones actually are in your mind.

I've maintained all along that the Denver game has nothing to do with Romo's history and should be evaluated on its own merits.

However, I will indulge you even though you don't deserve it.

He was a direct reason for the season ending loss to Philly in 2008. He was bad Tony and a big reason we lost to Washington to close out last season.

He was atrociously bad in the win over Buffalo in 2007. (gasp! You mean you can evaluate a quarterback's performance independent of the final result?)

Just off the top of my head. He's not perfect.

 

[NoDak]

How was it uncalled for? A bit dramatic, yes?

You said that you never claimed he didn't deserve any blame and I quoted you saying just that.

I'm so sorry to have disrespected you so by taking it to such uncalled for lengths.

You know full well that when you guys are saying people don't blame Romo for anything, you are implying NEVER blame him for anything. Myself and Geng have jumped on Romo's ass numerous times for bonehead decisions. We just don't happen to believe this particular throw is as horrible as you guys are making it out to be. And you claim we are the ones being dramatic? Please.

 

[Texas Ace]

You know full well that when you guys are saying people don't blame Romo for anything, you are implying NEVER blame him for anything. Myself and Geng have jumped on Romo's ass numerous times for bonehead decisions. We just don't happen to believe this particular throw is as horrible as you guys are making it out to be. And you claim we are the ones being dramatic? Please.

Fair enough, but I just don't get how you can say that throw wasn't as bad as some of us think.

It was awful. Watch the replay again - there are 3 guys around him with one on each side of him. Even a perfect throw would've been highly contested and the chance for success on that play was very low.

It was a bad decision all around and I don't see how anyone can think otherwise.

 

[Genghis Khan]

How was it uncalled for? A bit dramatic, yes?

You said that you never claimed he didn't deserve any blame and I quoted you saying just that.

I'm so sorry to have disrespected you so by taking it to such uncalled for lengths.

No, based on the context I was clearly saying I never said he doesn't deserve any blame ever. You were just being an ass. I guess just because I disagree with you. I'd treated you with respect up to that point. You didn't feel the need to do so, that's fine. Believe me, I can respond in kind.

 

[Genghis Khan]

You know full well that when you guys are saying people don't blame Romo for anything, you are implying NEVER blame him for anything. Myself and Geng have jumped on Romo's ass numerous times for bonehead decisions. We just don't happen to believe this particular throw is as horrible as you guys are making it out to be. And you claim we are the ones being dramatic? Please.

Exactly.

 

[Texas Ace]

I've maintained all along that the Denver game has nothing to do with Romo's history and should be evaluated on its own merits.

However, I will indulge you even though you don't deserve it.

He was a direct reason for the season ending loss to Philly in 2008. He was bad Tony and a big reason we lost to Washington to close out last season.

He was atrociously bad in the win over Buffalo in 2007. (gasp! You mean you can evaluate a quarterback's performance independent of the final result?)

Just off the top of my head. He's not perfect.

What about at Pittsburgh in 2008?

The Jets and Lions games in 2011?

The Bears, Giants, and Redskins games last season?

Do you think he was to blame in any of those games? And if so, then how can you dismiss what happened Sunday as some random instance. It was exactly what he's done so many times before in those situations.

It is who he is and I don't know why that is so hard to accept.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

I think Romo taking a sack on that first down play was also a blunder by Romo...

You take the good with the bad with Romo but in my opinion he has been holding the ball too long this season.

 

[Texas Ace]

I think Romo taking a sack on that first down play was also a blunder by Romo...

You take the good with the bad with Romo but in my opinion he has been holding the ball too long this season.

Yea, he's done that a few times.

 

[Genghis Khan]

I think Romo taking a sack on that first down play was also a blunder by Romo...

You take the good with the bad with Romo but in my opinion he has been holding the ball too long this season.

I agree with that but it would be an unreasonable nitpick to say that contributed to the loss in any meaningful way.

 

[NoDak]

Fair enough, but I just don't get how you can say that throw wasn't as bad as some of us think.

It was awful. Watch the replay again - there are 3 guys around him with one on each side of him. Even a perfect throw would've been highly contested and the chance for success on that play was very low.

It was a bad decision all around and I don't see how anyone can think otherwise.

And again, I don't agree with your assessment of the coverage on that play. The guy out front was on Witten. Now there are two in coverage, not three as many have claimed. The guy who was the deepest was the one who would probably have made the tackle. But he was 8 yards in front and eight yards deep. Not in position to make a play on the ball. The trailing guy was already out of position as he was a couple yards behind. He was not in position to make a play on a normally thrown ball. But as we all know, the ball did not come out normally because of him being unable to step into the throw and put any kind of power behind it. Unless you're still trying to justify him just stepping on the foot and not trying to actually step forward like every other throw made in the history of the world, as we've seen explained in another thread.

We see throws into this kind of coverage all the time. In fact, more than you'd think during an NFL game. If you're waiting for an NFL receiver to be so open he has nobody around him, good luck. You'll be waiting a very long time.

 

[Genghis Khan]

What about at Pittsburgh in 2008?

The Jets and Lions games in 2011?

The Bears, Giants, and Redskins games last season?

Do you think he was to blame in any of those games? And if so, then how can you dismiss what happened Sunday as some random instance. It was exactly what he's done so many times before in those situations.

It is who he is and I don't know why that is so hard to accept.

I have you a few off the top of my head. I'm not going to go through every loss or bad game with you. I suspect I'd disagree with you on some of them simply because you are a knee jerker and I evaluate with rational intelligence.

Why don't you go through and list all the games in our history where Romo was the reason we won, smart guy?

 

[Genghis Khan]

And again, I don't agree with your assessment of the coverage on that play. The guy out front was on Witten. Now there are two in coverage, not three as many have claimed. The guy who was the deepest was the one who would probably have made the tackle. But he was 8 yards in front and eight yards deep. Not in position to make a play on the ball. The trailing guy was already out of position as he was a couple yards behind. He was not in position to make a play on a normally thrown ball. But as we all know, the ball did not come out normally because of him being unable to step into the throw and put any kind of power behind it. Unless you're still trying to justify him just stepping on the foot and not trying to actually step forward like every other throw made in the history of the world, as we've seen explained in another thread.

We see throws into this kind of coverage all the time. In fact, more than you'd think during an NFL game. If you're waiting for an NFL receiver to be so open he has nobody around him, good luck. You'll be waiting a very long time.

Correct.

 

[Texas Ace]

Why don't you go through and list all the games in our history where Romo was the reason we won, smart guy?

Because games he has been responsible for losing have had a much stronger impact on our seasons than the games he's won.

I don't recall him having a career game in a win or go home scenario.

I don't recall him having a career game in a late season clash for a division lead or playoff spot.

But I can recall a number of awful performances or back breaking turnovers in those games that doomed us.

Every single one of those games that I mentioned were games that he either single handedly lost with multiple turnovers, or F'd us by making the key mistake late. But yet, in spite of all these games you say he's won for us, we have 3 playoff appearances in his almost 8 seasons at QB to show for it, and only 1 playoff win in 4 tries.

So apparently, his big time performances aren't resulting in a whole lot for us because they rarely happen when they're needed most.