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Even a transgender beat a 26 year conservative stalwart for a seat in the VA congress. 
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Trump's low approval rating masks his support among likely voters
By Chris Kahn
1 hr ago
President Donald Trump is more popular with likely voters than he is with the general public, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll that underscores why Republican lawmakers have largely stuck with the polarizing president despite his plunging approval ratings.
The poll, released on Wednesday, shows he polls better among people who voted in the 2016 presidential election than with the overall U.S. adult population – a group that includes both voters and non-voters. Only about 60 percent of the voting-age public took part in last year’s election.
In October, for example, 44 percent of 2016 voters said they approved of Trump’s performance in office, compared with 37 percent of the general population. Among Republicans, 82 percent of voters approved of Trump in October, compared with 75 percent of all Republicans. (Graphic: http://tmsnrt.rs/2zoIC1A)
Some 85 percent of those who voted for Trump in 2016 said they would do so again, the poll found.
The findings suggest that Republican candidates in the 2018 congressional elections who shun the president risk alienating his followers, Republican strategists and political scientists said. At the same time, those who embrace him in the early primary races that choose party candidates risk losing moderate voters in the general election.
“It’s very difficult for any Republican candidate to distance themselves from Trump,” said Michael McDonald, an expert on voter turnout at the University of Florida.
That dilemma played out in Virginia on Tuesday, when Ed Gillespie, the Republican candidate in the governor's race, was soundly beaten by his Democratic opponent. Gillespie had adopted some of Trump's hardline positions but had avoided campaigning with the unpopular president.
Gillespie's strategy had been closely watched within the party to see if it could provide a template for other Republican candidates in 2018, when control of the House of Representatives and the Senate will be up for grabs.
Gillespie's loss sparked debate among Republicans on the way forward on Wednesday. Trump suggested in a tweet that the outcome could have been different had Gillespie fully embraced him, but critics pointed out that exit polls showed that a third of Virginian voters had turned out to signal displeasure with Trump, double the number who cast ballots to express support for the president.
Tuesday's results clearly signal that opposition to Trump has grown, even though he remains popular among 2016 Republican voters, said Elaine Kamarck, an expert in presidential politics at the Brookings Institution.
For Republicans, "the hurdle won’t be with getting out the base," Kamarck said. "It will be in getting anyone else to vote for you" in elections where Republican voters are outnumbered.
TRUMP'S DEMOGRAPHIC
Reuters/Ipsos was able to compare the opinions of voters with the general public by creating two separate surveys: a poll of voters and a poll of the public.
For the voter poll, Reuters/Ipsos reconnected with people who took its exit poll on Nov. 8, 2016, the day of the U.S. presidential election. Those voters were sent additional questionnaires in May, July and October that asked if they approved or disapproved of the president.
Their responses were then compared with the results of a separate survey – the Reuters/Ipsos national tracking poll – that surveys all adults in the United States.
In May and July, the results of both polls were nearly identical, with about 40 percent of voters and the general adult population expressing approval for the president.
The two polls diverged in October, however, with voters expressing stronger levels of approval than the general public.
Jan Leighley, an expert on political behavior at American University, said it makes sense that Trump is more popular among people who voted in the 2016 election. They were more likely to be white and less likely to identify with Democrats than the general public, she said.
The Reuters/Ipsos poll is conducted online in English throughout the country. Some 1,206 of those 2016 voters took the survey between May 10-12, followed by 1,296 who took the July 11-12 survey and 1,195 who took the survey between Oct. 18-19.
Individual responses were weighted so they would reflect the latest population estimates, as well as the support their presidential pick received in the election. Each of the voter polls had a credibility interval, a measure of accuracy, of 3 percentage points for the entire group and 5 percentage points for Republican voters.
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That is the whole issue.
People that are motivated to vote, will.
Last night there were pissed off people voting.
Trump has a long long while to continue to poke the bear to maintain this level of backlash.
This was the first election of this new era of being pissed off daily about politics.
I don't think it is sustainable if the democrats continue to align themselves with the outrage of the moment and fail to understand the issues.
Because it is pretty clear to me that the hard core liberal reach is not nearly as mobilized as they would like to think they are.
That is what got Bush elected twice based on a large Evangelical boost. Trump got the pissed off white vote who felt threatened by eight years of Obama.
They will need a real candidate who can trounce Trump and not be a gimmick.
The worst candidate would be another female. Or a minority. Or the way things are going, some transgender person.
By Chris Kahn
1 hr ago
President Donald Trump is more popular with likely voters than he is with the general public, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll that underscores why Republican lawmakers have largely stuck with the polarizing president despite his plunging approval ratings.
The poll, released on Wednesday, shows he polls better among people who voted in the 2016 presidential election than with the overall U.S. adult population – a group that includes both voters and non-voters. Only about 60 percent of the voting-age public took part in last year’s election.
In October, for example, 44 percent of 2016 voters said they approved of Trump’s performance in office, compared with 37 percent of the general population. Among Republicans, 82 percent of voters approved of Trump in October, compared with 75 percent of all Republicans. (Graphic: http://tmsnrt.rs/2zoIC1A)
Some 85 percent of those who voted for Trump in 2016 said they would do so again, the poll found.
The findings suggest that Republican candidates in the 2018 congressional elections who shun the president risk alienating his followers, Republican strategists and political scientists said. At the same time, those who embrace him in the early primary races that choose party candidates risk losing moderate voters in the general election.
“It’s very difficult for any Republican candidate to distance themselves from Trump,” said Michael McDonald, an expert on voter turnout at the University of Florida.
That dilemma played out in Virginia on Tuesday, when Ed Gillespie, the Republican candidate in the governor's race, was soundly beaten by his Democratic opponent. Gillespie had adopted some of Trump's hardline positions but had avoided campaigning with the unpopular president.
Gillespie's strategy had been closely watched within the party to see if it could provide a template for other Republican candidates in 2018, when control of the House of Representatives and the Senate will be up for grabs.
Gillespie's loss sparked debate among Republicans on the way forward on Wednesday. Trump suggested in a tweet that the outcome could have been different had Gillespie fully embraced him, but critics pointed out that exit polls showed that a third of Virginian voters had turned out to signal displeasure with Trump, double the number who cast ballots to express support for the president.
Tuesday's results clearly signal that opposition to Trump has grown, even though he remains popular among 2016 Republican voters, said Elaine Kamarck, an expert in presidential politics at the Brookings Institution.
For Republicans, "the hurdle won’t be with getting out the base," Kamarck said. "It will be in getting anyone else to vote for you" in elections where Republican voters are outnumbered.
TRUMP'S DEMOGRAPHIC
Reuters/Ipsos was able to compare the opinions of voters with the general public by creating two separate surveys: a poll of voters and a poll of the public.
For the voter poll, Reuters/Ipsos reconnected with people who took its exit poll on Nov. 8, 2016, the day of the U.S. presidential election. Those voters were sent additional questionnaires in May, July and October that asked if they approved or disapproved of the president.
Their responses were then compared with the results of a separate survey – the Reuters/Ipsos national tracking poll – that surveys all adults in the United States.
In May and July, the results of both polls were nearly identical, with about 40 percent of voters and the general adult population expressing approval for the president.
The two polls diverged in October, however, with voters expressing stronger levels of approval than the general public.
Jan Leighley, an expert on political behavior at American University, said it makes sense that Trump is more popular among people who voted in the 2016 election. They were more likely to be white and less likely to identify with Democrats than the general public, she said.
The Reuters/Ipsos poll is conducted online in English throughout the country. Some 1,206 of those 2016 voters took the survey between May 10-12, followed by 1,296 who took the July 11-12 survey and 1,195 who took the survey between Oct. 18-19.
Individual responses were weighted so they would reflect the latest population estimates, as well as the support their presidential pick received in the election. Each of the voter polls had a credibility interval, a measure of accuracy, of 3 percentage points for the entire group and 5 percentage points for Republican voters.
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That is the whole issue.
People that are motivated to vote, will.
Last night there were pissed off people voting.
Trump has a long long while to continue to poke the bear to maintain this level of backlash.
This was the first election of this new era of being pissed off daily about politics.
I don't think it is sustainable if the democrats continue to align themselves with the outrage of the moment and fail to understand the issues.
Because it is pretty clear to me that the hard core liberal reach is not nearly as mobilized as they would like to think they are.
That is what got Bush elected twice based on a large Evangelical boost. Trump got the pissed off white vote who felt threatened by eight years of Obama.
They will need a real candidate who can trounce Trump and not be a gimmick.
The worst candidate would be another female. Or a minority. Or the way things are going, some transgender person.
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McCain slams Trump over siding with Putin on Russia meddling
McCain slams Trump over siding with Putin on Russia meddling
Sen. John McCain slammed President Donald Trump on Saturday for saying he believes Russian President Vladimir Putin over senior US intelligence officials when he says his country didn't interfere in the 2016 election.
"President Trump today stated that he believed Vladimir Putin is being sincere when he denies Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election and reiterated that he hopes to cooperate with Russia in Syria," McCain, a strong critic of the President, said in a statement. "There's nothing 'America First' about taking the word of a KGB colonel over that of the American intelligence community. There's no 'principled realism' in cooperating with Russia to prop up the murderous Assad regime, which remains the greatest obstacle to a political solution that would bring an end to the bloodshed in Syria. Vladimir Putin does not have America's interests at heart. To believe otherwise is not only naive but also places our national security at risk."
McCain was referencing remarks Trump made while describing his relationship with Putin and the ongoing investigations into 2016 meddling on Saturday. The president seemed to indicate to reporters aboard Air Force One on Saturday that he trusts Putin's denials more than the comments of former intelligence officials, like former high-ranking intelligence officials James Comey, John Brennan and James Clapper.
"I mean, give me a break, they are political hacks," Trump said. "So you look at it, I mean, you have Brennan, you have Clapper and you have Comey. Comey is proven now to be a liar and he is proven now to be a leaker. So you look at that and you have President Putin very strongly, vehemently says he had nothing to do with them."
Trump told reporters as he flew from Da Nang to Hanoi in Vietnam that he's done confronting Putin over the issue and took him at his word that Russia did not seek to interfere in the election.
"He said he didn't meddle. He said he didn't meddle. I asked him again. You can only ask so many times," Trump said.
Trump spoke to Putin three times on the sidelines of summit when the Russia meddling issue arose.
"Every time he sees me, he says, 'I didn't do that,'" Trump said. "And I believe, I really believe, that when he tells me that, he means it."
"I think he is very insulted by it," Trump added.
McCain also criticized Trump's performance earlier Saturday, calling it "sad" -- a favorite word of Trump's on Twitter -- that the President didn't address human rights during a stop in Vietnam.
".@POTUS in #Danang & no mention of human rights - Sad," McCain tweeted.
Trump defended his decision on the plane with reporters, saying he is addressing human rights but also "many other things."
"Well, I do do it. But I also raise issues on many other things," he said. "I mean I have an obligation -- we lost last year with China, depending on the way you do your numbers, because you can do them a number of ways, anywhere from $350 to $504 billion. That's with one country."
McCain has stepped up his criticism of Trump in recent weeks. Last month, he warned against "half-baked, spurious nationalism" while accepting the Liberty Medal from former Vice President Joe Biden.
The Vietnam veteran, who was tortured during his more than five years as a prisoner of war, also appeared to mock Trump's draft deferments when he criticized people from "the highest income level" who avoided the draft by finding a doctor who "would say that they had a bone spur." He later said the comment was not specifically about Trump.
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Never in my fucking life would I believe that a sitting US President would side with motherfucking Russia over his own government. Just fucking unfathomable.
But hey......not Hilary.
McCain slams Trump over siding with Putin on Russia meddling
Sen. John McCain slammed President Donald Trump on Saturday for saying he believes Russian President Vladimir Putin over senior US intelligence officials when he says his country didn't interfere in the 2016 election.
"President Trump today stated that he believed Vladimir Putin is being sincere when he denies Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election and reiterated that he hopes to cooperate with Russia in Syria," McCain, a strong critic of the President, said in a statement. "There's nothing 'America First' about taking the word of a KGB colonel over that of the American intelligence community. There's no 'principled realism' in cooperating with Russia to prop up the murderous Assad regime, which remains the greatest obstacle to a political solution that would bring an end to the bloodshed in Syria. Vladimir Putin does not have America's interests at heart. To believe otherwise is not only naive but also places our national security at risk."
McCain was referencing remarks Trump made while describing his relationship with Putin and the ongoing investigations into 2016 meddling on Saturday. The president seemed to indicate to reporters aboard Air Force One on Saturday that he trusts Putin's denials more than the comments of former intelligence officials, like former high-ranking intelligence officials James Comey, John Brennan and James Clapper.
"I mean, give me a break, they are political hacks," Trump said. "So you look at it, I mean, you have Brennan, you have Clapper and you have Comey. Comey is proven now to be a liar and he is proven now to be a leaker. So you look at that and you have President Putin very strongly, vehemently says he had nothing to do with them."
Trump told reporters as he flew from Da Nang to Hanoi in Vietnam that he's done confronting Putin over the issue and took him at his word that Russia did not seek to interfere in the election.
"He said he didn't meddle. He said he didn't meddle. I asked him again. You can only ask so many times," Trump said.
Trump spoke to Putin three times on the sidelines of summit when the Russia meddling issue arose.
"Every time he sees me, he says, 'I didn't do that,'" Trump said. "And I believe, I really believe, that when he tells me that, he means it."
"I think he is very insulted by it," Trump added.
McCain also criticized Trump's performance earlier Saturday, calling it "sad" -- a favorite word of Trump's on Twitter -- that the President didn't address human rights during a stop in Vietnam.
".@POTUS in #Danang & no mention of human rights - Sad," McCain tweeted.
Trump defended his decision on the plane with reporters, saying he is addressing human rights but also "many other things."
"Well, I do do it. But I also raise issues on many other things," he said. "I mean I have an obligation -- we lost last year with China, depending on the way you do your numbers, because you can do them a number of ways, anywhere from $350 to $504 billion. That's with one country."
McCain has stepped up his criticism of Trump in recent weeks. Last month, he warned against "half-baked, spurious nationalism" while accepting the Liberty Medal from former Vice President Joe Biden.
The Vietnam veteran, who was tortured during his more than five years as a prisoner of war, also appeared to mock Trump's draft deferments when he criticized people from "the highest income level" who avoided the draft by finding a doctor who "would say that they had a bone spur." He later said the comment was not specifically about Trump.
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Never in my fucking life would I believe that a sitting US President would side with motherfucking Russia over his own government. Just fucking unfathomable.
But hey......not Hilary.
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What Donald Trump's UCLA tweet reveals about him
What Donald Trump's UCLA tweet reveals about him
Think about this: You've just spent nearly two weeks halfway around the world. You've spent most of the last 24 hours on a plane. Your body clock is somewhere between 12-14 hours ahead of Eastern Standard Time. You are 71 years old.
What's one of the first things you do -- after you likely sleep a bit -- on your first day back at your desk for work?
If you're President Donald Trump, you send out this tweet: "Do you think the three UCLA Basketball Players will say thank you President Trump? They were headed for 10 years in jail!"
Let's leave aside Trump referring to himself in the third person in the tweet -- that deserves a post all its own -- and focus on the psychology behind this tweet in this moment.
Trump is someone who likes to be praised. He likes to be adulated at all times -- and tends to respond well to people who say nice things about him. (See "Putin, Vladimir.")
He wants to get credit. Always. He seethes when either he doesn't get the credit he thinks he deserves or sees someone else getting credit for something he did.
Case in point: Steve Bannon's stock fell in Trump's eyes in the early days of the administration when the White House strategist was cast as the real power behind the throne -- in both a Time magazine cover and in his portrayal on "Saturday Night Live."
This, from an April New York Times story, is illuminating on that front:
"Mr. Trump remains annoyed by a February cover of Time magazine labeling Mr. Bannon 'The Great Manipulator,' telling one visitor this month, 'That doesn't just happen' -- a favored Trump expression for anger at subordinates who tend to their interests ahead of his."
Which brings us back to the UCLA players tweet.
The three players -- which include the younger brother of Los Angeles Laker Lonzo Ball -- are accused of shoplifting during a trip to China to play a game. (They reportedly stole sunglasses from a Louis Vutton store.)
Trump told the media that he spoke directly to Chinese President Xi Jinping about the case. The three players were released on Tuesday and arrived back in Los Angeles at 6 p.m. PT Tuesday night.
Larry Scott, the PAC-12 commissioner -- the conference that includes UCLA -- quickly issued a statement thanking Trump. "We want to thank the President, the White House and the US State Department for their efforts towards resolution," said Scott.
That "thank you" is apparently not enough for Trump, at least according to his tweet. He wants the actual players -- LiAngelo Ball, Cody Riley and Jalen Hill -- to say "thank you."
That the three players are all young black men should also not be lost here. Trump's history on racial issues -- both as president and as a private citizen -- shows some level of intentionality when it comes to using racially coded language and taking advantage of racial animus and stereotypes for his own political gain.
The image of an older white man in a position of power demanding thanks from three young black men for saving them will set off a lot of alarm bells for people. And, understandably so, given Trump's previous actions in the wake of the white supremacist violence in Charlottesville, Virginia, and in the ongoing NFL anthem protests.
Even if you take out the racial element, what Trump is asking for is to be thanked (or, more accurately, thanked by the "right" people) for doing his job.
Part of being President is trying to get US citizens out of dicey situations in foreign countries. That doesn't mean that Trump's personal appeal to Xi didn't have any effect. In fact, it likely played a major role in the release of the players. But, demanding to be praised by three teenagers for what you did for them isn't exactly presidential.
Maybe it's "modern day presidential"?
What Donald Trump's UCLA tweet reveals about him
Think about this: You've just spent nearly two weeks halfway around the world. You've spent most of the last 24 hours on a plane. Your body clock is somewhere between 12-14 hours ahead of Eastern Standard Time. You are 71 years old.
What's one of the first things you do -- after you likely sleep a bit -- on your first day back at your desk for work?
If you're President Donald Trump, you send out this tweet: "Do you think the three UCLA Basketball Players will say thank you President Trump? They were headed for 10 years in jail!"
Let's leave aside Trump referring to himself in the third person in the tweet -- that deserves a post all its own -- and focus on the psychology behind this tweet in this moment.
Trump is someone who likes to be praised. He likes to be adulated at all times -- and tends to respond well to people who say nice things about him. (See "Putin, Vladimir.")
He wants to get credit. Always. He seethes when either he doesn't get the credit he thinks he deserves or sees someone else getting credit for something he did.
Case in point: Steve Bannon's stock fell in Trump's eyes in the early days of the administration when the White House strategist was cast as the real power behind the throne -- in both a Time magazine cover and in his portrayal on "Saturday Night Live."
This, from an April New York Times story, is illuminating on that front:
"Mr. Trump remains annoyed by a February cover of Time magazine labeling Mr. Bannon 'The Great Manipulator,' telling one visitor this month, 'That doesn't just happen' -- a favored Trump expression for anger at subordinates who tend to their interests ahead of his."
Which brings us back to the UCLA players tweet.
The three players -- which include the younger brother of Los Angeles Laker Lonzo Ball -- are accused of shoplifting during a trip to China to play a game. (They reportedly stole sunglasses from a Louis Vutton store.)
Trump told the media that he spoke directly to Chinese President Xi Jinping about the case. The three players were released on Tuesday and arrived back in Los Angeles at 6 p.m. PT Tuesday night.
Larry Scott, the PAC-12 commissioner -- the conference that includes UCLA -- quickly issued a statement thanking Trump. "We want to thank the President, the White House and the US State Department for their efforts towards resolution," said Scott.
That "thank you" is apparently not enough for Trump, at least according to his tweet. He wants the actual players -- LiAngelo Ball, Cody Riley and Jalen Hill -- to say "thank you."
That the three players are all young black men should also not be lost here. Trump's history on racial issues -- both as president and as a private citizen -- shows some level of intentionality when it comes to using racially coded language and taking advantage of racial animus and stereotypes for his own political gain.
The image of an older white man in a position of power demanding thanks from three young black men for saving them will set off a lot of alarm bells for people. And, understandably so, given Trump's previous actions in the wake of the white supremacist violence in Charlottesville, Virginia, and in the ongoing NFL anthem protests.
Even if you take out the racial element, what Trump is asking for is to be thanked (or, more accurately, thanked by the "right" people) for doing his job.
Part of being President is trying to get US citizens out of dicey situations in foreign countries. That doesn't mean that Trump's personal appeal to Xi didn't have any effect. In fact, it likely played a major role in the release of the players. But, demanding to be praised by three teenagers for what you did for them isn't exactly presidential.
Maybe it's "modern day presidential"?
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Fucking little ingrates. Trump could have let them rot in a Chinese prison for God knows how long, and their stupid ass actions put the US in a terrible position leverage wise. Wouldn't surprise me if we had to secretly trade something to secure their release. So yes, a simple "thank you" is the least they can do. Or maybe good manners are only for white people.
you can take the boys out of the ghetto, but you can't take the ghetto ...
you can take the boys out of the ghetto, but you can't take the ghetto ...
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Leave it to BiPo to take a good deed and try to make a dog turd out of it. Of course the players owes him a thanks and what’s wrong with reminding them of who saved their bacon.
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That is stupid insane. Good christ, where have we gotten to?
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It is getting bad.
This is not just bipartisan shit.
I would be elated and throw a party tomorrow if it was announced Trump was shitcanned.
But this is just insanity.
This is only year one. Good lord knows what happens three years from now.
Then again, my crazy ass dad with borderline dementia was warning me two years ago about this.
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There are tons of delusional people out there and they really believe this nonsense. If only there was a pill they could take to settle their brain boil.
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The sad thing is most of these Senators are really just that dumb and it's more about trying to grill a R if you are a D or a D if you are an R. It's pathetic.
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Technically it's not wrong.
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If you consider being the best country in the nation technically correct then it would be technically incorrect to state Trump made it since it already was... technically...
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