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PFF Preseason Review: Good news, bad news for Giants
By Ed Valentine @bigblueview on Sep 2 2013, 11:02a
The Giants' defense scored well in the Pro Football Focus preseason grades. The offense? Not so much
As we head into Week 1 of the regular season and dive into talking about the upcoming game against the Dallas Cowboys let's look back one last time at the New York Giants' preseason. Pro Football Focus has, for the first time, graded preseason games. Here are some of the interesting PFF numbers from the preseason, during which the Giants went a meaningless 1-3.
Overall Numbers
As a team the Giants posted a score of -55.4 on offense, tied with the Carolina Panthers for the worst overall PFF grade in the NFL for the preseason.
That score included a -15.3 passing, -34.9 run-blocking and -4.2 in pass-blocking. Before you freak out about those, remember that Eli Manning worked without Victor Cruz most of the preseason and with Hakeem Nicks still rounding back into form. He and new tight end Brandon Myers are also still getting acclimated to each other. The run-blocking had to be impacted by the fact fullback Henry Hynoski did not play, and by the shuffling the Giants did to compensate for offensive line injuries. Those numbers are not as troublesome heading into the regular season as they might appear.
Defensively, the numbers were encouraging for a group that placed 31st in the league a season ago. The Giants ended the preseason with a +26.0 score defensively, 10th among preseason defenses. Want a number that is even more impressive? The Giants scored a +32.4 defending the run, second-best in the league for the preseason.
The pass coverage came in at -8.5.
On special teams the Giants scored an impressive +25.3, best in the league.
Thus, there are plenty of positive signs provided the Giants can get their offense cleaned up.
Individual Numbers
Defense
Best
Mike Patterson +8.1
Shaun Rogers +5.7
Justin Trattou +5.3
Damontre Moore +5.0
Mark Herzlich +3.8
Adewale Ojomo +3.1
Keith Rivers +2.7
Justin Tuck +2.3
Ryan Mundy +2.3
Will Hill +2.0
Worst
Matt Broha -5.7
Adrian Tracy -4.0
Spencer Paysinger -3.6
Corey Webster -2.2
Cooper Taylor -2.0
Want to know why Patterson, Rogers and Trattou made the team and Tracy didn't? Those numbers go a long way toward explaining the decisions. There were 14 other defenders with plus (+) scores, not all of whom made the final roster. For those of you still interested, Marvin Austin ended the preseason at -1.7.
Offense
Best
Brandon Mosley +3.6
David Wilson +2.9
Kevin Boothe +2.4
Julian Talley +1.3
Will Beatty +1.3
Louis Murphy +1.2
Worst
Curtis Painter -6.3
Selvish Capers -6.3
Brandon Myers -6.2
Ryan Nassib -5.3
Adrien Robinson -3.7
David Carr -3.5
Jim Cordle -3.3
Chris Snee -3.2
As you can see, not a whole lot to brag about. None of the backup quarterbacks scored well. Eli Manning also ended up with a -2.2. In all, 29 offensive players scored negative (-) numbers.
By Ed Valentine @bigblueview on Sep 2 2013, 11:02a
The Giants' defense scored well in the Pro Football Focus preseason grades. The offense? Not so much
As we head into Week 1 of the regular season and dive into talking about the upcoming game against the Dallas Cowboys let's look back one last time at the New York Giants' preseason. Pro Football Focus has, for the first time, graded preseason games. Here are some of the interesting PFF numbers from the preseason, during which the Giants went a meaningless 1-3.
Overall Numbers
As a team the Giants posted a score of -55.4 on offense, tied with the Carolina Panthers for the worst overall PFF grade in the NFL for the preseason.
That score included a -15.3 passing, -34.9 run-blocking and -4.2 in pass-blocking. Before you freak out about those, remember that Eli Manning worked without Victor Cruz most of the preseason and with Hakeem Nicks still rounding back into form. He and new tight end Brandon Myers are also still getting acclimated to each other. The run-blocking had to be impacted by the fact fullback Henry Hynoski did not play, and by the shuffling the Giants did to compensate for offensive line injuries. Those numbers are not as troublesome heading into the regular season as they might appear.
Defensively, the numbers were encouraging for a group that placed 31st in the league a season ago. The Giants ended the preseason with a +26.0 score defensively, 10th among preseason defenses. Want a number that is even more impressive? The Giants scored a +32.4 defending the run, second-best in the league for the preseason.
The pass coverage came in at -8.5.
On special teams the Giants scored an impressive +25.3, best in the league.
Thus, there are plenty of positive signs provided the Giants can get their offense cleaned up.
Individual Numbers
Defense
Best
Mike Patterson +8.1
Shaun Rogers +5.7
Justin Trattou +5.3
Damontre Moore +5.0
Mark Herzlich +3.8
Adewale Ojomo +3.1
Keith Rivers +2.7
Justin Tuck +2.3
Ryan Mundy +2.3
Will Hill +2.0
Worst
Matt Broha -5.7
Adrian Tracy -4.0
Spencer Paysinger -3.6
Corey Webster -2.2
Cooper Taylor -2.0
Want to know why Patterson, Rogers and Trattou made the team and Tracy didn't? Those numbers go a long way toward explaining the decisions. There were 14 other defenders with plus (+) scores, not all of whom made the final roster. For those of you still interested, Marvin Austin ended the preseason at -1.7.
Offense
Best
Brandon Mosley +3.6
David Wilson +2.9
Kevin Boothe +2.4
Julian Talley +1.3
Will Beatty +1.3
Louis Murphy +1.2
Worst
Curtis Painter -6.3
Selvish Capers -6.3
Brandon Myers -6.2
Ryan Nassib -5.3
Adrien Robinson -3.7
David Carr -3.5
Jim Cordle -3.3
Chris Snee -3.2
As you can see, not a whole lot to brag about. None of the backup quarterbacks scored well. Eli Manning also ended up with a -2.2. In all, 29 offensive players scored negative (-) numbers.
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NY Giants remain confident about defense despite injuries and being among NFL's worst last year
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Sunday, September 1, 2013, 1:38 AM.
After the humbling the Giants experienced on defense last season, you’d think they would be a little quieter. There’d be no talk of goals, of a championship or domination. Because they weren’t just bad last season. They Giants statistically had the second-worst defense in the league.
Yet when Justin Tuck looked around at his defensive teammates 10 days ago he saw a group whose “ceiling is the No. 1 defense.” A few days later, Mathias Kiwanuka surveyed a battered defensive line and a lackluster pass rush and added, “Up front, I think we have the ability to take this thing to the Super Bowl.”
It’s almost easy to forget the Giants ranked 28th against the pass and 25th against the run in 2012, or that the 383.4 yards per game they yielded was worse than every team in the league except New Orleans. When the Giants lost three out of four to open December and torch their playoff hopes, they gave up an average of 421 yards and nearly 28 points per game.
And for the most part, the entire gang has returned, with a few select additions (such as middle linebacker Dan Connor and defensive tackles Cullen Jenkins and Shaun Rogers) and more than a few subtractions (such as injured defensive end Jason Pierre-Paul and injured safety Stevie Brown).
So either they’re all completely delirious and delusional on the Giants defense, or they know something about themselves that the rest of us don’t. Only one thing’s for sure as the Giants begin preparations for their season opener in Dallas:
Their battered and beleaguered defense is one extremely confident bunch.
“Extremely confident? Yeah, we are extremely confident,” said safety Antrel Rolle. “And I will not take those words back because that’s what we are as a defense. I’ll stand strong by my words.”
Those words would be more believable if two of the missing players weren’t so important. The Giants have spent the summer without Pierre-Paul, whom Rolle called “our best defensive playmaker, hands down.” He has been making progress from his back surgery in June, and the Giants are optimistic, but he's still questionable at best for the opener.
And even if JPP does return, the Giants have no idea what he will really be. He hasn’t been their best defensive playmaker since erupting for 16½ sacks in 2011. Last year, while dealing with painful back issues, he had 6½ sacks and seemed to disappear for long stretches. Who knows which JPP he’ll be now?
Meanwhile, the truth is, their best defensive playmaker last season was Brown, who had a team-high eight interceptions last season for a club-record 307 return yards. Now he’s out for the season with a torn ACL leaving a secondary suddenly as questionable as it is thin.
Can Ryan Mundy, a Steelers castoff, pick up Brown’s play-making slack? Can Corey Webster and Aaron Ross revive their careers at corner? And speaking of revivals, can this really be a bounce-back season for Justin Tuck, whose body (and career) has been battered by injuries? And will Kiwanuka have his own revival moving from linebacker back to defensive end?
That certainly seems to be what the Giants’ defensive players are counting on this season. All of it, as a matter of fact. If any of that doesn’t work as planned, they’ll be left without a pass rush or stuck with a confused-looking secondary and they’ll be doomed to another defensively deficient year.
They are not worried, though. The Giants believe they’re going to shoot the moon. They see the core of a defense that ranked 31st last season and envision it as top 10, top five or even higher. And they’re not shying away at all from saying it out loud.
“We don’t worry about last year,” Rolle said. “We understand what we left out on the field last year. Us understanding that at this point is only going to allow us to get better, and we’re going to have that extra motivation and drive to get better to make sure we don’t have those letdowns.
“We’re a very confident defense,” he added. “And we’re going to go out there and make things happen.”
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Sunday, September 1, 2013, 1:38 AM.
After the humbling the Giants experienced on defense last season, you’d think they would be a little quieter. There’d be no talk of goals, of a championship or domination. Because they weren’t just bad last season. They Giants statistically had the second-worst defense in the league.
Yet when Justin Tuck looked around at his defensive teammates 10 days ago he saw a group whose “ceiling is the No. 1 defense.” A few days later, Mathias Kiwanuka surveyed a battered defensive line and a lackluster pass rush and added, “Up front, I think we have the ability to take this thing to the Super Bowl.”
It’s almost easy to forget the Giants ranked 28th against the pass and 25th against the run in 2012, or that the 383.4 yards per game they yielded was worse than every team in the league except New Orleans. When the Giants lost three out of four to open December and torch their playoff hopes, they gave up an average of 421 yards and nearly 28 points per game.
And for the most part, the entire gang has returned, with a few select additions (such as middle linebacker Dan Connor and defensive tackles Cullen Jenkins and Shaun Rogers) and more than a few subtractions (such as injured defensive end Jason Pierre-Paul and injured safety Stevie Brown).
So either they’re all completely delirious and delusional on the Giants defense, or they know something about themselves that the rest of us don’t. Only one thing’s for sure as the Giants begin preparations for their season opener in Dallas:
Their battered and beleaguered defense is one extremely confident bunch.
“Extremely confident? Yeah, we are extremely confident,” said safety Antrel Rolle. “And I will not take those words back because that’s what we are as a defense. I’ll stand strong by my words.”
Those words would be more believable if two of the missing players weren’t so important. The Giants have spent the summer without Pierre-Paul, whom Rolle called “our best defensive playmaker, hands down.” He has been making progress from his back surgery in June, and the Giants are optimistic, but he's still questionable at best for the opener.
And even if JPP does return, the Giants have no idea what he will really be. He hasn’t been their best defensive playmaker since erupting for 16½ sacks in 2011. Last year, while dealing with painful back issues, he had 6½ sacks and seemed to disappear for long stretches. Who knows which JPP he’ll be now?
Meanwhile, the truth is, their best defensive playmaker last season was Brown, who had a team-high eight interceptions last season for a club-record 307 return yards. Now he’s out for the season with a torn ACL leaving a secondary suddenly as questionable as it is thin.
Can Ryan Mundy, a Steelers castoff, pick up Brown’s play-making slack? Can Corey Webster and Aaron Ross revive their careers at corner? And speaking of revivals, can this really be a bounce-back season for Justin Tuck, whose body (and career) has been battered by injuries? And will Kiwanuka have his own revival moving from linebacker back to defensive end?
That certainly seems to be what the Giants’ defensive players are counting on this season. All of it, as a matter of fact. If any of that doesn’t work as planned, they’ll be left without a pass rush or stuck with a confused-looking secondary and they’ll be doomed to another defensively deficient year.
They are not worried, though. The Giants believe they’re going to shoot the moon. They see the core of a defense that ranked 31st last season and envision it as top 10, top five or even higher. And they’re not shying away at all from saying it out loud.
“We don’t worry about last year,” Rolle said. “We understand what we left out on the field last year. Us understanding that at this point is only going to allow us to get better, and we’re going to have that extra motivation and drive to get better to make sure we don’t have those letdowns.
“We’re a very confident defense,” he added. “And we’re going to go out there and make things happen.”
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He is kind of a dumbass, but if all he has to do is rush the passer, he would have been a decent fit. And I would take pretty much anyone over that waste Escobar.
On the leaked draft board, I think we had Moore below all of our draft picks except for Holloman.