Columbia, SC, to exile its homeless

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What's the quickest, easiest -- if least effective -- way to deal with your downtown's unsightly problem of homelessness? Making it somebody else's problem.

Because the city government in Columbia, S.C., apparently cribs its planning for homeless outreach from old episodes of "South Park," it has decided to get its big push broom out of the garage and just sweep the homeless out of the city center.

The Columbia City Council unanimously approved the plan, creating special police patrols that would enforce "quality of life" laws involving loitering, public urination and other crimes not necessarily restricted to the homeless population. Those officers would then offer the homeless a choice: Go to jail for their homelessness or be shuffled to a 240-bed, 24-hour shelter on the outskirts of town, which they wouldn't be allowed to easily leave.

That second option isn't jail, mind you, because the homeless are being confined with the help of a local charitable organization. It's charitable incarceration, you see. The homeless can leave, but they need to set up an appointment and be shuttled by a van.

And just in case any of the offending homeless get any ideas about doing something crazy like, oh, walking into town, officials plan to post an officer -- we can only assume it won't be Brian Dennehy -- on the road leading to downtown just to make sure they don't walk back and go all John Rambo on the place.

But, hey, it's cool: That 240-bed shelter should totally hold the 1,518 homeless people currently living in the Columbia area. Besides, the city is partnering with a charity. Surely they'll be able to make this exile of the homeless work, right?

Michael Stoops, director of community organizing at the National Coalition for the Homeless, told ThinkProgress, the plan is the "most comprehensive anti-homeless measure" he had ever seen proposed "in any city in the last 30 years." He added: "Using one massive shelter on the outskirts to house all a city's homeless is something that has never worked anywhere in the country."

But there has to be a first time for everything. Maybe this policy doesn't do anything to make the homeless less homeless. Maybe it doesn't peek into bigger issues like South Carolina's 8.1% unemployment rate or Columbia's 7.9% rate -- each higher than the national average. Maybe it doesn't factor in a state foreclosure rate that ranks among the nation's Top 10 and far outstrips the national average.

But a city marking the 50th Anniversary of the Civil Rights Movement can't get into trouble for segregating a whole portion of the population from the rest of the city just because it doesn't like the way it looks, can it? Well, there is that whole "equal treatment under the law" business that applies whether someone is shaking a change cup outside of a Starbucks or not.

"The underlying design is that they want the homeless not to be visible in downtown Columbia," Susan Dunn, South Carolina ACLU's legal director said. "You can shuttle them somewhere or you can go to jail. That's, in fact, an abuse of power."

Good luck with that, Columbia.
 

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Interesting. I lived in Columbia for over ten years...but I have been away since 2005.

The "college" Five Points area wasn't that bad back then. You'd have your bums and what not, but it wasn't bad, seemed like your typical college town.

I rarely went downtown, but when I did, there were a good number of bums but I figured that was normal.
 

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Ah, the good old ACLU weighs in.

Unfortunately for them, there are laws on the books that forbid the homeless (or anyone else for that matter) from being a vagrant, panhandling for money, sleeping on the park benches, etc.

The gov't is actually offering the homeless an OPTION instead of incarcerating them for months at a time- which would bring on free meals, but also bring on a chance of death or abuse at the hands of inmates.

I'm glad to see the gov't doing something about it. Columbia sucks ass after about 6pm at night. The bums are like roaches scurrying into the night.
 

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Ah, the good old ACLU weighs in.

Unfortunately for them, there are laws on the books that forbid the homeless (or anyone else for that matter) from being a vagrant, panhandling for money, sleeping on the park benches, etc.

The gov't is actually offering the homeless an OPTION instead of incarcerating them for months at a time- which would bring on free meals, but also bring on a chance of death or abuse at the hands of inmates.

I'm glad to see the gov't doing something about it. Columbia sucks ass after about 6pm at night. The bums are like roaches scurrying into the night.
A 240 bed shelter for over 1000 homeless? Explain this as a good idea? The prison has more beds than inmates at least. Inmates sharing a bed is totally unrelated :unsure.
 

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A 240 bed shelter for over 1000 homeless? Explain this as a good idea? The prison has more beds than inmates at least. Inmates sharing a bed is totally unrelated :unsure.
Columbia news reported they had budgeted money for 2 more shelters. Still not 1000 beds, but definitely more space.
 

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Great idea, until you realize that most homeless people are vets (that everyone claims to love), mentally ill, or abused children.

This isn't a solution. It's bullshit.
 

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Great idea, until you realize that most homeless people are vets (that everyone claims to love), mentally ill, or abused children.

This isn't a solution. It's bullshit.
I think it's mostly to intimidate them into leaving Columbus.
 

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And just in case any of the offending homeless get any ideas about doing something crazy like, oh, walking into town, officials plan to post an officer -- we can only assume it won't be Brian Dennehy -- on the road leading to downtown just to make sure they don't walk back and go all John Rambo on the place.
:lol

Rambo is exactly who I was thinking about when I read this. Oh and yes this is bullshit in my opinion. If someone wants to sleep outside on public property, why the hell should that be illegal?
 

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I think it's mostly to intimidate them into leaving Columbus.
I'm betting that most homeless peeps have been through way more than the city of fucking Columbia can throw at them. War, violent or sexually abusive family, or just don't have the mental capacity to understand. People seem to think that these men, women, and children are just assholes that don't want to work.
 

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I don't think it is unfair for people to not want bums shitting, pissing, and sleeping on the street.
 

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I don't think it is unfair for people to not want bums shitting, pissing, and sleeping on the street.
I guess we could round them all up and execute them. If it was the cops doing it, you'd have no problem with it because their job is tough and they were defending themselves from the smell of the homeless. :art
 

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I don't have a good answer for the problem, but I also don't believe they are all mentally sick, sexual assault victims, and vets either.

BTW...one big pet peeve of mine is some people who are referred as vets, nevermind they never deployed and got kicked out for disciplinary reasons.
 

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I don't have a good answer for the problem, but I also don't believe they are all mentally sick, sexual assault victims, and vets either.

BTW...one big pet peeve of mine is some people who are referred as vets, nevermind they never deployed and got kicked out for disciplinary reasons.
My great uncle used to hate WWII vets that were in the rear echelon and never saw combat. He fought on the front lines and was captured at the battle of the bulge and he didn't like people "pretending" to have fought who'd never been shot at.
 

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Hawaii is doing the same thing. They are buying plane tickets for a certain number of people per year. They call it a way of getting they homeless back with their families or some such.
 

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I'm sure Hawaii still has some of those old Jap internment camps they could use for the homeless. Sounds cheaper to me.
 

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Not really. A $1,500 ticket one time or tens of thousands over time? What people don't realize is that thousands of dollars can't continue to burden the system when there are no funds left. I'm not saying that people should be exiled or anything. I don't know the answer. But with state and local governments feeling the squeeze eventually the handouts have to slow down at the very least.
 

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I'm sure Hawaii still has some of those old Jap internment camps they could use for the homeless. Sounds cheaper to me.
Hawaii was the one place they never tried to intern the Japanese because there were too many. IIRC.
 

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I don't have a good answer for the problem, but I also don't believe they are all mentally sick, sexual assault victims, and vets either.
I used to volunteer at a homeless shelter. Based on my own observations, you are right.

Also, there was a waiting list for the shelter. Many more people wanted to be there than they could hold. Some people in this thread are acting like homeless people would rather be on the street than in the shelter. That's generally not true.

Shelters aren't perfect. But they are out of the elements, the have beds, a tv, showers, bathrooms, a cafeteria, games, socializing, etc.

This plan sounds to me more humane than ignoring them and doing nothing or locking them up.
 
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