President Trump Thread...

[jsmith6919]

Can I prop Trump for not doing this?

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Obama grants clemency to Oscar Lopez Rivera, Puerto Rican terrorist

Also Chelsea Manning so apparently wikileaks is good again

 

[2233boys]

If they did they were wrong because the popular vote has never been the vechicle for the presidential elections. It's is simply a sour grapes tool to vent. Obviously the sour grapes position begats sour grapes antics.

If they did? You know they did, and you know damn well Trump did. There is no "if" about it?

 

[L.T. Fan]

If they did? You know they did, and you know damn well Trump did. There is no "if" about it?

Sure I know a lot that did and they were wrong. Party affiliation or personal preferences don't override established law. However that has never kept some from venting and ranting. That's okay to a degree but there is a point to where it needs to be curbed . We as a country are at that point.

The election is over a transition of power is about to take place and everyone needs to recognize that the countries best interests need to be served even though the didn't have things go their way. To use irrelevant examples to claims something is illegitimate is certainly one of the things that needs to be curbed.

 

[2233boys]

Sure I know a lot that did and they were wrong. Party affiliation or personal preferences don't override established law. However that has never kept some from venting and ranting. That's okay to a degree but there is a point to where it needs to be curbed . We as a country are at that point.

The election is over a transition of power is about to take place and everyone needs to recognize that the countries best interests need to be served even though the didn't have things go their way. To use irrelevant examples to claims something is illegitimate is certainly one of the things that needs to be curbed.

WTF are you talking about? Free Speech and demonstration needs to be curbed? Are you out of your mind?

As an aside you brought up the illegitimate argument, which in Trumps case this election and the Obama case (which Trump lead) I don't agree with.

We are not a totalitarian government, and at no point should the government being telling free citizens what they can and can not say about their leadership. If people want to think or say Trump is illegitimate that is there right, just as it was Trumps right to think and say that about Obama. They are idiots. If people want to say and think Trump is f**king moron, that is also their right.

Demonstrating is a powerful public spectacle that can affect change, and it is our constitutional right to do so. It's is event he right of people we don't agree with.

When you start saying that type of thought and action needs to be curbed you have gone off the rails.

 

[L.T. Fan]

WTF are you talking about? Free Speech and demonstration needs to be curbed? Are you out of your mind?

As an aside you brought up the illegitimate argument, which in Trumps case this election and the Obama case (which Trump lead) I don't agree with.

We are not a totalitarian government, and at no point should the government being telling free citizens what they can and can not say about their leadership. If people want to think or say Trump is illegitimate that is there right, just as it was Trumps right to think and say that about Obama. They are idiots. If people want to say and think Trump is f**king moron, that is also their right.

Demonstrating is a powerful public spectacle that can affect change, and it is our constitutional right to do so. It's is event he right of people we don't agree with.

When you start saying that type of thought and action needs to be curbed you have gone off the rails.

I'm not talking about free speech. I'm talking about using the popular vote as an excuse to claim the winner of the election is illegitimate. That is getting old and it is irrelevant.

 

[2233boys]

I'm not talking about free speech. I'm talking about using the popular vote as an excuse to claim the winner of the election is illegitimate. That is getting old and it is irrelevant.

That is exactly what you said.

However that has never kept some from venting and ranting. That's okay to a degree but there is a point to where it needs to be curbed . We as a country are at that point.
To use irrelevant examples to claims something is illegitimate is certainly one of the things that needs to be curbed.

Two examples of you wanting to control free speech. You call them idiots, refute their dumb asses and move on. The moment Americans citizens accept that this type of speech (no matter how retarded) can or should be "curbed" is the moment our country ceases to exist.

 

[L.T. Fan]

That is exactly what you said.

Two examples of you wanting to control free speech. You call them idiots, refute their dumb asses and move on. The moment Americans citizens accept that this type of speech (no matter how retarded) can or should be "curbed" is the moment our country ceases to exist.

Yes it is what I said and it's about people using the popular vote to claim the election results are illegitimate it's a lie and anyone who promotes it knows it's a lie. If one is inclined to promote a lie then I suppose they have a right to knowingly do it but where I am from knowingly promoting a lie is a revelation of ones character.

 

[L.T. Fan]

That is exactly what you said.

Two examples of you wanting to control free speech. You call them idiots, refute their dumb asses and move on. The moment Americans citizens accept that this type of speech (no matter how retarded) can or should be "curbed" is the moment our country ceases to exist.

In some instances promoting a lie is illegal as well. At any rate I will take your cue and say knowingly promoting a lie makes one a liar. I believe you have already sanctioned my right to say that.

 

[townsend]

You misunderstand my comment then. Ventriloquism or alpine skiing don't require college degrees so not sure where you went sideways. Plenty of us bust our ass to obtain skills and education to toil away in a job in trade off for affordable health insurance and benefits.

And, no, college degrees are not required for a 401k. Plenty of companies that provide these benefits for full-time employees without college-educational jobs as well. Flip burgers at In-N-Out, barista at Starbucks, become an elevator mechanic and earn $150k before OT. Just get a full-time job and you're likely to get affordable healthcare - I'm not asking everyone to be a rocket scientist.

When it comes to college majors, plenty of biologists and chemists sure would've like to major in theatre or history, but they didn't because of job prospects.

We are a nation now where areas have minimum wage at $12/hour and people are now expecting affordable healthcare for being part-time, maybe unskilled labor. I would've liked to ditch high school and skateboard all day, but I knew the rules of the game are to get a job for these types of luxuries (not rights).

Iamtdg just showcased an instance where healthcare was affordable for 30 full-timers in his dept (who knows how many across his university) that had to be laid off because of ACA. In exchange for what, to provide affordable healthcare for thousands of people that couldn't hold down adult time job?

I was taking ventriloquism/alpine skiing as an "underwater basket weaving" hyperbole, describing obscure, unpopular careers.

It is true that there are companies that offer healthcare, not everywhere though. That's the punchline, rural America needs affordable healthcare the most, my wife's mother passed because she was a small business owner that had to buy her own health insurance, and they straight up refused to pay for cancer treatment. She was flush with cash, compared to the average Mississippian, but when one day of chemo costs 20k there's nobody that can foot that bill.

That's why I don't want to hear about how all these people dying don't deserve healthcare. People who aren't covered aren't just lazy assholes, or dumb jerks following their bliss. They're frequently contributing members of society caught out in the cold.You'd be shocked how many biology majors are uninsured because they're adjuncts, interns, or working for broke ass non-profits, the same way artists do. My best friend has a BS in marine biology from Loyola, he spent 3 years working part time, making near minimum wage, at a zoo in Chicago before they offered him a full time position.

 

[2233boys]

Yes it is what I said and it's about people using the popular vote to claim the election results are illegitimate it's a lie and anyone who promotes it knows it's a lie. If one is inclined to promote a lie then I suppose they have a right to knowingly do it but where I am from knowingly promoting a lie is a revelation of ones character.

You supported a man who knowingly lied for years about the legitimacy of the last president. My only assumption can be you think very little of your Presidents character.

 

[2233boys]

In some instances promoting a lie is illegal as well. At any rate I will take your cue and say knowingly promoting a lie makes one a liar. I believe you have already sanctioned my right to say that.

I am not the one who wants to curb or regulate peoples speech, that is you.

 

[2233boys]

I was taking ventriloquism/alpine skiing as an "underwater basket weaving" hyperbole, describing obscure, unpopular careers.

It is true that there are companies that offer healthcare, not everywhere though. That's the punchline, rural America needs affordable healthcare the most, my wife's mother passed because she was a small business owner that had to buy her own health insurance, and they straight up refused to pay for cancer treatment. She was flush with cash, compared to the average Mississippian, but when one day of chemo costs 20k there's nobody that can foot that bill.

That's why I don't want to hear about how all these people dying don't deserve healthcare. People who aren't covered aren't just lazy assholes, or dumb jerks following their bliss. They're frequently contributing members of society caught out in the cold.You'd be shocked how many biology majors are uninsured because they're adjuncts, interns, or working for broke ass non-profits, the same way artists do. My best friend has a BS in marine biology from Loyola, he spent 3 years working part time, making near minimum wage, at a zoo in Chicago before they offered him a full time position.

My wife is a Nurse, works full time. The health insurances offered through her company would cost her half a months pay, just for her. If we didn't have my insurance through my position, and/or she was a single mother, she would have nothing to live on, pay the mortgage, utilities, etc.

Our health for profit system in our country is broke, some of us are lucky, most of the country is not. It isn't because they are deadbeats or lazy, it is because our country allows the medical industry to gouge us for high high profits, and CEO bonuses.

 

[Cowboysrock55]

Our health for profit system in our country is broke, some of us are lucky, most of the country is not. It isn't because they are deadbeats or lazy, it is because our country allows the medical industry to gouge us for high high profits, and CEO bonuses.

Regulations have made it way too easy for the medical industry to gouge a person. Those regulations prevent most of the checks and balances you might see in a normal competitive capitalist industry. The barriers to entry in the medical field essentially create monopolies that cause prices to go out of whack. There are two thoughts of process to it, remove some of the barriers and you get more competition which would drive down costs. (Basically stop the FDA from creating these monopolies) Or trust the government to take over the entire industry and run it correctly (God knows that would be filled with horrific abuse).

I'm not sure what the solution is exactly. I don't want unsafe medical products out there. But it also shouldn't take 5 years for someone to be able to put a competitive product to the Epipen on the market either. And I sure as shit don't trust the government to run something.

 

[L.T. Fan]

You supported a man who knowingly lied for years about the legitimacy of the last president. My only assumption can be you think very little of your Presidents character.

Can't stick with the topic huh?

 

[L.T. Fan]

I am not the one who wants to curb or regulate peoples speech, that is you.

And that is another lie. I want to curb an intentional and deliberate act of trying to circumvent the election process by perpetuating a completely false and intentional falsehood.

 

[Jiggyfly]

If the CIA acts strictly under marching orders, then there should be an investigation into who in the Obama administration gave the order to leak their briefing of Trump and Obama on that dossier.

There should be an investigation into a lot of stuff but we see how that works out.

 

[2233boys]

Regulations have made it way too easy for the medical industry to gouge a person. Those regulations prevent most of the checks and balances you might see in a normal competitive capitalist industry. The barriers to entry in the medical field essentially create monopolies that cause prices to go out of whack. There are two thoughts of process to it, remove some of the barriers and you get more competition which would drive down costs. (Basically stop the FDA from creating these monopolies) Or trust the government to take over the entire industry and run it correctly (God knows that would be filled with horrific abuse).

I'm not sure what the solution is exactly. I don't want unsafe medical products out there. But it also shouldn't take 5 years for someone to be able to put a competitive product to the Epipen on the market either. And I sure as shit don't trust the government to run something.

You mean the Regulations the medical industry lobby for or something else, please elaborate. They have a corporate sponsored monopoly because that is what they want, and our government (with their supposed free market healthcare) are all to happy to oblige. Allow Medicare to negotiate drug prices. Stop the marketing on TV for prescription drugs. Their money doesn't go into R&D much of their expenses are in advertising and CEO bonuses.

 

[L.T. Fan]

You mean the Regulations the medical industry lobby for or something else, please elaborate. They have a corporate sponsored monopoly because that is what they want, and our government (with their supposed free market healthcare) are all to happy to oblige. Allow Medicare to negotiate drug prices. Stop the marketing on TV for prescription drugs. Their money doesn't go into R&D much of their expenses are in advertising and CEO bonuses.

Medicare does negotiate prices. My bad. Just saw drug prices. I was intending hospital and medical.

 

[2233boys]

Can't stick with the topic huh?

We literally have been discussing that point in this string of posts, when discussing morons on the left and right claiming presidents were illegitimate.

 

[2233boys]

And that is another lie. I want to curb an intentional and deliberate act of trying to circumvent the election process by perpetuating a completely false and intentional falsehood.

Yeah not a lie, you just said it again moron.