Divisional Round Chatter Thread | Packers vs Cowboys | 01-15-2017

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So, it has now come out that Bailey has been kicking with a herniated disc since week 4. He was 21 of 25 in that span.
 

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I specifically mentioned head coaching and offensive coaching.

If we coached a smarter game, I believe we end up with 7-10 more points in that game and that play never happens.
Let's put this in context. The defense of the first half gave up most of the points to Green Bay to give them what was thought to be an insurmountable lead and yet the Dallas offense overcame that lead. Coaching adjustments maybe?
 

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He should never have had the time on the clock to even attempt that pass, and that's a direct result of bad clock management by the HC.
Who gets credit for the resurgence in the second half to even make it a game? Give some credit. It wasn't clock management problems that brought this about.
 

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Let's put this in context. The defense of the first half gave up most of the points to Green Bay to give them what was thought to be an insurmountable lead and yet the Dallas offense overcame that lead. Coaching adjustments maybe?
All that's nice and well but if you screw the pooch in the end does it really matter?
 

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Who gets credit for the resurgence in the second half to even make it a game? Give some credit. It wasn't clock management problems that brought this about.
Marinelli. Also, where credit is given, in a loss, shade is thrown.
 

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How about how we fell behind 21-3 in the first place? Or calling 3 passes into the end zone from the 15 before halftime? Or spike on 1st down in the final minute limiting us to 2 plays to get a first and allowing GB plenty of time to go down field for the win?

We weren't prepared early. We even knew GB's tendency to catch teams trying to substitute and we did it anyways. The first time gave GB a first on 3rd and 5 and resulted in a TD on that possession.

There were many coaching blunders throughout the game that cost us and in the end we ultimately lose on a last second FG. Bottomline is coaching matters and ours cost us and now we're one and done again.
There is always coaching blunders but the final analysis who brought about a second half to overcome the first half defici? How did the team get this far in the first place?

Coaching as is with any endeavor is about making more good calls than bad ones so let's recognize that there were some good decisions along the way. I seem to recall that this group was completely convinced that this team was going to steam roller the Packers while some of us said the playoffs are a different animal so be cautious.

Does all the prior accomplishments just get wiped away? The whole reality thing has now landed and it's apparent that the apprehensions about the teams weaknesses was a valid concern but regardless more right decisions were made for the season than wrong ones and I believe everyone will learn something from it.
 

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All that's nice and well but if you screw the pooch in the end does it really matter?
Well that's the question. Did someone screw the pooch or did the team just come up short? I contend that sometimes your best isn't good enough and in the instant case Rogers had his way with the Dallas defense.
 

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Well that's the question. Did someone screw the pooch or did the team just come up short? I contend that sometimes your best isn't good enough and in the instant case Rogers had his way with the Dallas defense.
Garrett took away one of the chances to see if it was our best.
 

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Garrett took away one of the chances to see if it was our best.
Maybe so but what got the Cowboys beat was the inability to handle Rodgers. He cleaned our clock a couple of years ago playing on one leg and he had a repeat performance this year albeit a closer game.

It isn't the Dallas' offense that created the loss or the game plan for the offense, it was the inability to shut Rogers down.

The Dallas offense had an outstanding day of production. The defense on the other hand was over run in the first half and with adjustments slowed down the Packers but they still kept coming.

The Dallas offense on the other hand ramped it up in the second half and made a game of it. Even in a loss however, the offense played well enough to win. The defense was gouged throughout the game.
 

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Garrett took away one of the chances to see if it was our best.
This is correct, and there really isn't any arguing it.
 

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This is correct, and there really isn't any arguing it.
How so? That's the part no one has identified unless it is the clocking the ball. If that is the case then I am assuming that you are assuming Dallas would have scored a TD and won or one more play would have eaten up more time and the Packers would not had enough time to get back into scoring range. Is this what is at issue?
 

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How so? That's the part no one has identified unless it is the clocking the ball. If that is the case then I am assuming that you are assuming Dallas would have scored a TD and won or one more play would have eaten up more time and the Packers would not had enough time to get back into scoring range. Is this what is at issue?
I thought I had already explained that. Yes, that is the issue.
 

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I thought I had already explained that. Yes, that is the issue.
Well maybe Dallas scores and maybe not. Agreed their chances would have been better but a lot of strange stuff happened in that last minute. Say Dallas only scores a field goal because they get stymied and has to kick a field goal anyway and the game goes to OT. What then? Who knows?

Even when Green Bay had the final possession and was tackled for a loss. That should have clinched the tie but instead Rodgers completed a one in a million pass with a tackler having him in his grasp. What if that pass hadn't been completed? Best case scenario is the game goes into OT then what would be the outcome?

There are a lot of what ifs but there is no certainty that Dallas would have won the game with one more down.
 

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Zeke was getting more than 5 yards a carry.

Not sure why they wouldn't feed that hungry sumbitch.

It reminds me of the Seattle SB loss to NE. Why not drive it in with the hammer that got you there? Nope, going to pass it!
 

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Nvm.
 
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There is always coaching blunders but the final analysis who brought about a second half to overcome the first half defici? How did the team get this far in the first place?

Coaching as is with any endeavor is about making more good calls than bad ones so let's recognize that there were some good decisions along the way. I seem to recall that this group was completely convinced that this team was going to steam roller the Packers while some of us said the playoffs are a different animal so be cautious.

Does all the prior accomplishments just get wiped away? The whole reality thing has now landed and it's apparent that the apprehensions about the teams weaknesses was a valid concern but regardless more right decisions were made for the season than wrong ones and I believe everyone will learn something from it.
We got to this point because we were able to win enough games in the regular season. But then what? We've had 2 playoff wins in over 20 years and haven't been past the divisional round since winning the SB in '95. In order to get past this point we are going to have to be better and much of that falls on coaching. This is the time of year when the cream rises to the top. It's obvious we're going to have to out-talent other teams if we ever advance because we sure aren't going to out-coach them.
 
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