Divisional Round Chatter Thread | Packers vs Cowboys | 01-15-2017

[VA Cowboy]

Some people that turn to coaching never have "it" and never will because some things just can't be taught.

Clock management and things such as when to call time outs have never been the RHG's strong suit and frankly, I don't know what his strong suit is other than a familiarity with a type of offense Dallas ran years and years ago that Jerry prefers.

Other than Parcells who is was an exception due to circumstances, Garrett was just like all of Jerry's other post-Jimmy HC hires. Primarily a coordinator with a HC title who Jerry was comfortable with who wouldn't overshadow him. Gailey, Campo, Wade and now Garrett. But once Garrett had the OC duties taken away then nothing was left except Jerry being comfortable with him.

As long as Jerry controls the HC hires it's not going to change and we'll just have to live with it and hope that we can get by on talent. But as we've seen, that will only take us so far. It's possible that an upgrade of talent, especially on defense can overcome the coaching deficiencies but that's what it'll have to take. We will have to completely and totally out-talent teams because we aren't going to out-coach anyone with Garrett.

 

[Cotton]

 

[Texas Ace]

Can you get excited again if we finish #1 seed next year?

Sucks. We'll all be bitching and moaning even if we finish 16-0.

I'm much better than last night. Although, I can tell you, I wasn't as suicidal as I thought I would be if we lost. I played cards with the wife and kids. But, even still, I was sitting there seething. I can't believe they sucked me in yet again only to once again rip out my heart. But, there is good to take from all this. Dak, Zeke and the entire offense (minus Butler and Williams) looked really good against a pretty good defense. So, the worries about having rookies at those positions in big games can get shitcanned now. It was the damn defense and coaching staff that lost us that game. And, that can be fixed (well, the defense can).

It took me 2 days just to come back into this thread.

To answer Phil's question, hell no you can't get excited if they finish #1 because it'll be a WGAS situation for me. Get to at least the damn NFCC and then you'll have my attention.

But just like Iamtdg, I got sucked in. I didn't even get sucked in back in 2014, but this year something felt different. What a F'ng moron I am for believing that.

I should've gone with what I convinced myself of back when I began to ignore this team in 2012, and that was that this team would never win a SB again in my lifetime. To be more specific, I knew that if by some shocker this team drafted right and put a team together worthy of having a shot, the coaching staff would eventually get in the way and F them, and that is exactly what happened.

Yes, the defense that we all feared sucked balls and there is only so much coaching you can do to makeup for such a below-average unit in regards to talent. But the insistence on passing and passing and passing, using the shotgun as our base formation, and all of those stupid ass empty backfields on 1st down or 2nd and 1 is what lost that game. If we had coached like we had a brain, we get out of there with an all-time classic franchise win.

Maybe we don't beat Atlanta or New England with this defense, but at least there would be SOMETHING to hang our hats on for this season. Those incredible rookies won a playoff game in their first year and can build on it, etc.

Instead, we get another in a long and and growing list of failures for this franchise dating back to 1996 when Jerry screwed us. Yea, we're gonna be good for a while because the young talent on this team is legitimately good and Dak Prescott is something else. He has that "It" factor that you can't buy or teach. But I am convinced that no matter what talent they assemble, somewhere down the playoff line, the Garrett-led coaching staff will continuously make idiotic decisions and calls and it'll cost us in a game where one play can be the difference in a game -- just like it did on Sunday.

I'm not boycotting the team, but I'm going to force myself to not be as tuned in just like I did in 2012 and 2013 because I'll be damned if I ever let this team suck me in again and caue me to get emotionally invested only to make me feel like I did for about a half hour after the game ended on Sunday.

F that.

 

[Simpleton]

Some people that turn to coaching never have "it" and never will because some things just can't be taught.

Clock management and things such as when to call time outs have never been the RHG's strong suit and frankly, I don't know what his strong suit is other than a familiarity with a type of offense Dallas ran years and years ago that Jerry prefers.

I think his biggest strength is that he knows how to manage Jerry, and he has a clear view of how a team should be built/ran, and he does a decent enough job of doing it.

I've always said that he's a really good big picture, executive type, and I think he'd arguably be better in a front office role, but when it comes to X's and O's/active game situations he's a bit of a dunce.

 

[L.T. Fan]

Other than Parcells who is was an exception due to circumstances, Garrett was just like all of Jerry's other post-Jimmy HC hires. Primarily a coordinator with a HC title who Jerry was comfortable with who wouldn't overshadow him. Gailey, Campo, Wade and now Garrett. But once Garrett had the OC duties taken away then nothing was left except Jerry being comfortable with him.

As long as Jerry controls the HC hires it's not going to change and we'll just have to live with it and hope that we can get by on talent. But as we've seen, that will only take us so far. It's possible that an upgrade of talent, especially on defense can overcome the coaching deficiencies but that's what it'll have to take. We will have to completely and totally out-talent teams because we aren't going to out-coach anyone with Garrett.

It has already happened with Dallas. The draft the past three or so seasons have very much enhanced the quality level of the team. Someone had to bring the production from them and that has been the position and assistant coaches. It is a better club since Garrett has lost the micromanaging approach. Good managers let their staff do their jobs and as a rule the organization benefits. If Garrett stays in this mode and keeps good coaches around him he will be okay and so will the team. Unless an Uber coach is available Dallas will be better served with the status quo.

They were 3 seconds away from possibly staying in the SB race this season with critical position rookies and a defense that played over their heads. I think it will get better next season.

 

[Simpleton]

It has already happened with Dallas. The draft the past three or so seasons have very much enhanced the quality level of the team. Someone had to bring the production from them and that has been the position and assistant coaches. It is a better club since Garrett has lost the micromanaging approach. Good managers let their staff do their jobs and as a rule the organization benefits. If Garrett stays in this mode and keeps good coaches around him he will be okay and so will the team. Unless an Uber coach is available Dallas will be better served with the status quo.

They were 3 seconds away from possibly staying in the SB race this season with critical position rookies and a defense that played over their heads. I think it will get better next season.

I agree with this, having good coordinators is absolutely key to Garrett having success because I know damn good and well that he is not an X's and O's guy.

It's no coincidence that everything finally started to pick up once we got experienced coordinators with HC experience. Linehan pisses me off from time to time with his tendency to get pass-happy but I think by and large he provides way more good than bad.

 

[Smitty]

It's infuriating. Our two rookies brought this team back from 18 down on the biggest stage they have yet to see, and our idiot HC loses it for us yet again. Ridiculous.

I think you are overstating it a tad.

 

[Texas Ace]

I agree with this, having good coordinators is absolutely key to Garrett having success because I know damn good and well that he is not an X's and O's guy.

It's no coincidence that everything finally started to pick up once we got experienced coordinators with HC experience. Linehan pisses me off from time to time with his tendency to get pass-happy but I think by and large he provides way more good than bad.

Linehan isn't a bad coach, but much like Garrett, he's a pass-first guy.

Also, because Garrett doesn't look up to him (for lack of a better term), he's not going to ever take full control of the offense from Garrett, so we still see way too many principles from what Garrett likes to do in Linehan's playcalling.

Way too much shotgun and definitely way too much empty backfield. That's why I was OK with Linehan getting a HC job and leaving because I think the logical choice for Garrett and the organization as a whole would have been Norv.

Everyone has a great amount of respect for Norv and I think he would've been allowed to do whatever the hell he wanted with the offense, and I strongly believe we would see a lot less of the empty backfield, and a lot more of back-to-back runs called. I have no idea what the hell got into Linehan as the regular season wound down, but a terrible trend began of almost always following a run of 7, 8, or 9 yards with a pass from the shotgun.

I mean....WTF? Why? Look no further than that stupid screen pass that was picked on 2nd and 1 after Zeke picked up 9 on 1st down.

I believe that nonsense would have been a thing of the past had Norv been brought it, but it's all a moot point because Linehan isn't going anywhere.

 

[Texas Ace]

I think you are overstating it a tad.

It's a bit overstated, yes, but I do think offensive coaching cost us this game.

It is not the sole reason, but I think better coaching from the HC and the OC results in a win despite how bad our defense played.

 

[L.T. Fan]

It's a bit overstated, yes, but I do think offensive coaching cost us this game.

It is not the sole reason, but I think better coaching from the HC and the OC results in a win despite how bad our defense played.

How do you equate the coaching to explain the miracle pass made by Rodgers to give Green Bay the opportunity to get the winning field.

I would say that the coaching is better explained by having the team to come back ai the second half after being left for dead by viturally everyone. Don't discount the coaching aspects of the come back.

 

[Texas Ace]

How do you equate the coaching to explain the miracle pass made by Rodgers to give Green Bay the opportunity to get the winning field.

I would say that the coaching is better explained by having the team to come back ai the second half after being left for dead by viturally everyone. Don't discount the coaching aspects of the come back.

I specifically mentioned head coaching and offensive coaching.

If we coached a smarter game, I believe we end up with 7-10 more points in that game and that play never happens.

 

[Cotton]

How do you equate the coaching to explain the miracle pass made by Rodgers to give Green Bay the opportunity to get the winning field.

I would say that the coaching is better explained by having the team to come back ai the second half after being left for dead by viturally everyone. Don't discount the coaching aspects of the come back.

He should never have had the time on the clock to even attempt that pass, and that's a direct result of bad clock management by the HC.

 

[Texas Ace]

He should never have had the time on the clock to even attempt that pass, and that's a direct result of bad clock management by the HC.

I don't think electing to spike the ball was an egregious mistake as Schmitty said, but it was a mistake.

We should've done like we did vs the Giants in week 1 of 2015 and just kept them on their reeling heels and taken it straight into the endzone with no mercy. I can understand why you'd take it there, but I would hope that our staff would be smart enough to see what was going on and just keep going with it.

Also, with 1 timeout in your pocket, I don't understand such a rush to spike it either. Run one more play at least even if it's a draw that only nets 2 or 3 yards. At least that way, you got some yardage on 1st down as opposed to none.

But it's over now and we're eliminated so there's no sense in going on and on about it.

 

[Cotton]

I don't think electing to spike the ball was an egregious mistake as Schmitty said, but it was a mistake.

We should've done like we did vs the Giants in week 1 of 2015 and just kept them on their reeling heels and taken it straight into the endzone with no mercy. I can understand why you'd take it there, but I would hope that our staff would be smart enough to see what was going on and just keep going with it.

Also, with 1 timeout in your pocket, I don't understand such a rush to spike it either. Run one more play at least even if it's a draw that only nets 2 or 3 yards. At least that way, you got some yardage on 1st down as opposed to none.

But it's over now and we're eliminated so there's no sense in going on and on about it.

The time left on the clock by the spike directly led to the game winning drive. I'm not sure how much more egregious you can get than that.

 

[Genghis Khan]

Jon Machota
Jon Machota – Verified account ‏@jonmachota

Jerry Jones on @1053thefan contributed some of Cowboys' slow start to "underestimating a little what we were up against in Rodgers."
6:33 AM - 17 Jan 2017


Holy shit, if that's true everyone in the fucking building should be fired.

 

[2233boys]

Jon Machota
Jon Machota – Verified account ‏@jonmachota

Jerry Jones on @1053thefan contributed some of Cowboys' slow start to "underestimating a little what we were up against in Rodgers."
6:33 AM - 17 Jan 2017


Holy shit, if that's true everyone in the fucking building should be fired.

 

[Cotton]

Jon Machota
Jon Machota – Verified account ‏@jonmachota

Jerry Jones on @1053thefan contributed some of Cowboys' slow start to "underestimating a little what we were up against in Rodgers."
6:33 AM - 17 Jan 2017


Holy shit, if that's true everyone in the fucking building should be fired.

Wow.

 

[GShock]

You cannot do this in response to every stupid thing that comes out of Jerry's mouth.

There is no one on that coaching staff, and no one on that defensive staff that underestimated Rodgers.

They would be buried in Sean Lee's backyard.

 

[Texas Ace]

Jon Machota
Jon Machota – Verified account ‏@jonmachota

Jerry Jones on @1053thefan contributed some of Cowboys' slow start to "underestimating a little what we were up against in Rodgers."
6:33 AM - 17 Jan 2017


Holy shit, if that's true everyone in the fucking building should be fired.

Wouldn't surprise me.

I mean, this is the same staff that apparently didn't know about Rodgers' antics on catching teams subbing.

Idiots.

 

[VA Cowboy]

How do you equate the coaching to explain the miracle pass made by Rodgers to give Green Bay the opportunity to get the winning field.

I would say that the coaching is better explained by having the team to come back ai the second half after being left for dead by viturally everyone. Don't discount the coaching aspects of the come back.

How about how we fell behind 21-3 in the first place? Or calling 3 passes into the end zone from the 15 before halftime? Or spike on 1st down in the final minute limiting us to 2 plays to get a first and allowing GB plenty of time to go down field for the win?

We weren't prepared early. We even knew GB's tendency to catch teams trying to substitute and we did it anyways. The first time gave GB a first on 3rd and 5 and resulted in a TD on that possession.

There were many coaching blunders throughout the game that cost us and in the end we ultimately lose on a last second FG. Bottomline is coaching matters and ours cost us and now we're one and done again.