Moore: Which was the anomaly -- Cowboys' 4-12 record last year or postseason run two

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Which was the anomaly -- Cowboys' 4-12 record last year or postseason run two years ago?

By David Moore , Staff Writer

Tony Romo isn't making excuses. He's not saying what happened to the Cowboys last season should be dismissed.

But he doesn't see it happening again.

"I feel like last year is an anomaly,'' Romo said. "If we're going to base it all on that then...you have to come back and prove differently.

"The fact we went 4-12, whether I was playing or not, we didn't do a good enough job. We have to do better. I think part of that is me being healthy. I think part of that are guys getting better and improving.''

Every team suffers injuries. But not every team losses their top two offensive players the way the Cowboys did with Romo and Dez Bryant. Not every team starts four quarterbacks in a season the way the Cowboys did in 2015.

Did other teams around the league manage to win games despite losing key players? Sure. Green Bay was still a very good team without receiver Jordy Nelson.
But if the Packers lost quarterback Aaron Rodgers in addition to Nelson, would they still have made the playoffs?

The third week of organized team activities is underway for the Cowboys. A constant refrain from coaches and players to this point has been how good Romo looks throwing the ball.
Some will scoff and say big deal. It's only June.

You can count Romo in that group.

"Well, I don't think anything matters until you play football games,'' Romo said. "No one actually cares at this time of year what's going on because they don't see you.

"But us as football players, we can tell when we take a step or improve. I'm excited what I feel like is an improvement in some areas. That makes you excited to go play in the football game. We'll see what happens. But I think we're going to have a good chance.''

Romo tinkers with certain mechanical aspects of his game this time every year until they are ready to incorporate into his game. This offseason is no different.

"Some of the things I've been working on have taken a couple of years,'' said Romo, who never divulges what he's refining until after the fact. "I'm pretty excited about seeing them come to fruition.

"I've got a long way to go, but it's a good start. That's all it is right now. A good start. If I can continue to build off that and certain techniques that I won't bore you with, I think they're going to be able to hold up.

"I feel very excited about what that could possibly entail moving forward.''

Cowboys coaches and players are excited by what they have seen.

"He does look really good,'' tight end Jason Witten said. "The tempo, the energy he's bringing, everything he's doing at the line of scrimmage. He looks really good.

"I think that excites us all to know someone at that position, what is asked of him, how well he's playing, it gives us such positive feelings moving forward to see him back healthy and even better than what he was before.

"I know he's worked really hard to get to that point.''

Romo understands that fans will look at his age (36) and number of games missed last season (12) due to breaking his clavicle twice and be concerned about what that means going forward. But as he said, "you know, it's a collarbone. I don't think my collarbone is going to be anything that takes you out every year you play football.''

Again, injuries to Romo and Bryant -- and don't forget Orlando Scandrick, the team's most consistent cornerback -- are no excuse for a 4-12 season. But it does put what happened in a different perspective.

If key players are healthy and producing up to standards, the Cowboys aren't a four-win team.

"I think you've got to look at it critically,'' Witten said. "You have to look at it and understand, learn from it and move forward. To be the team we talk about becoming, you've got to move forward. You can't allow that to hang over your head.

"People are going to do that. That's where we are. We're coming off a 4-12 season. We have to understand that's who we are. But we're working to change that.''

Last season was an anomaly from the standpoint it was the Cowboys worst record in 26 years. But here's something else to consider: this team has missed the playoffs in five of the past six seasons and owned a winning record just once in that span.

That appears to drive this group as the third week of OTAs is underway.

"I think you want to play with that chip on your shoulder and our team needs to play with that,'' Romo said. "They need to work like that.

"So far this offseason they've been doing that.''
 

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Both are anomalies. Jason is an 8-8 coach coaching an 8-8 organization.

We had minor miracles like McClain and Murray's health and an easy AFC schedule elevate us in 2014 and a ridiculous lack of depth at QB sink us in 2015.
 

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This is a dumb question. We were12-4 in 2014 and 4-12 in 2015. Except WITH Romo in 2015 we were 3-1. On pace for... oh look 12-4 again.

We are much closer to the12-4 team being the true indicator. When your elite startingQB misses 75% of the games, that's obviously the anomaly.
 

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This is a dumb question. We were12-4 in 2014 and 4-12 in 2015. Except WITH Romo in 2015 we were 3-1. On pace for... oh look 12-4 again.

We are much closer to the12-4 team being the true indicator. When your elite startingQB misses 75% of the games, that's obviously the anomaly.
Agreed, unless our defense really shits the bed and if we stay relatively healthy we should win this division relatively easily.
 

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Agreed, unless our defense really shits the bed and if we stay relatively healthy we should win this division relatively easily.
I think as long as we stay committed to the run we will be fine. Romo is just so efficient with the ball. As long as we make sure to rest the defense and keep things balanced it will all work out great. Elliott will be nice carrying the ball too but to me the biggest thing about our running game is simply that we stick with it. We couldn't last year because our shit QB play had us falling behind in games. This year will be different when Romo is healthy. I just wonder how long that lasts.
 

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2014 AFC Schedule: 11-5 Colts (minus TY Hilton) 42-7; 9-7 Texans 20-17; 3-13 Jags 31-17; 2-14 Titans 26-10

McClain

Carter's best season

Scandrick emerging in his seventh season

Crawford's excellent recovery off Achilles surgery

Melton's play

Parnell, Selvie, and Mincey

Defensive turnovers

Romo's game-saving plays vs. Houston (Williams TD eluding JJ Watt) and Seattle (3rd and 20).

Hitchins' surprise rookie year

Murray's health

Callahan staying on through demotion to coach the OL better than it had been in years

A lot of these would be classified as gifts from God. Sure you can mix them with Romo's back issue, Lee's season-ending injury, and Buffalo's crazy win over the Pack screwing up playoff seeding, but I think overall Dallas had a lot of the standard question marks magically go their way.

2015 was more normal, and you had Romo hurt on top if it.

2016 adds Thornton, Elliott, and Morris, each of whom give me a lot of hope.
 
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2014 AFC Schedule: 11-5 Colts (minus TY Hilton) 42-7; 9-7 Texans 20-17; 3-13 Jags 31-17; 2-14 Titans 26-10

McClain

Carter's best season

Scandrick emerging in his seventh season

Crawford's excellent recovery off Achilles surgery

Melton's play

Parnell, Selvie, and Mincey

Defensive turnovers

Romo's game-saving plays vs. Houston (Williams TD eluding JJ Watt) and Seattle (3rd and 20).

Hitchins' surprise rookie year

Murray's health

Callahan staying on through demotion to coach the OL better than it had been in years

A lot of these would be classified as gifts from God. Sure you can mix them with Romo's back issue, Lee's season-ending injury, and Buffalo's crazy win over the Pack screwing up playoff seeding, but I think overall Dallas had a lot of the standard question marks magically go their way.

2015 was more normal, and you had Romo hurt on top if it.

2016 adds Thornton, Elliott, and Morris, each of whom give me a lot of hope.
None of that is magical except for the year Murray had.

Scandrick had already emerrged as a slightly above average DB.

Melton was below average for the majority of the year.

Selvie took a step back.

Mincy was average.

Romo has a couple of those types of plays every year.

TO's were a aberation.

Carter's best year was as a inside 3/4 LB.

You are inflating a lot to make a point.

As usual.
 

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2014 AFC Schedule: 11-5 Colts (minus TY Hilton) 42-7; 9-7 Texans 20-17; 3-13 Jags 31-17; 2-14 Titans 26-10

McClain

Carter's best season

Scandrick emerging in his seventh season

Crawford's excellent recovery off Achilles surgery

Melton's play

Parnell, Selvie, and Mincey

Defensive turnovers

Romo's game-saving plays vs. Houston (Williams TD eluding JJ Watt) and Seattle (3rd and 20).

Hitchins' surprise rookie year

Murray's health

Callahan staying on through demotion to coach the OL better than it had been in years

A lot of these would be classified as gifts from God. Sure you can mix them with Romo's back issue, Lee's season-ending injury, and Buffalo's crazy win over the Pack screwing up playoff seeding, but I think overall Dallas had a lot of the standard question marks magically go their way.

2015 was more normal, and you had Romo hurt on top if it.

2016 adds Thornton, Elliott, and Morris, each of whom give me a lot of hope.

You are reaching. They had green bay on the ropes in the playoffs. They were legitimately a very good team. They didn't look as good even with romo last season, but they were 3-1 with him. They weren't anywhere near a 4-12 team if healthy.

The best argument against that is that it wasn't an anomaly that a 35 year old qb with a history of back problems would miss a lot of games. But beyond the health issues, this team is much closer to 2014 than 2015. Especially now that they stopped pounding their pudd at running back.
 

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You are reaching. They had green bay on the ropes in the playoffs. They were legitimately a very good team. They didn't look as good even with romo last season, but they were 3-1 with him. They weren't anywhere near a 4-12 team if healthy.

Before the season people would have called you delusional if you marched out Carter, Hitchens, and McClain as your starting LBing group.

Despite what Jiggy says, George Selvie, Jermey Parnell, Bruce Carter, and Henry Melton parleyed their 2014 seasons into significant contracts.

That one season, a lot of marginal players put together their some of their better years. Carter ended up 5 picks. Mincey had 6 sacks for Pete's sakes.

They haven't done crap since, and none of the group had more than 1 decent season before.

Just look at our own conversations from 2014. We couldn't believe our own luck.

As for Green Bay, Rodger's lack of mobility canceled a lot of our defense's ineptness. But he found his way before the end, and even if we had scored that TD, the odds were the Packers at least tie if not outright win that game anyway. Our luck had kind of run out.

Bottom line that team had a highly suspect defense that actually outplayed its pedigree. Talent wise they were closer to 8-8 than 12-4.
 

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The question is 12-4 vs. 4-12, not 12-4 vs. 8-8.
I know, genghis, my first answer was both seasons were anomalies. This has been an 8-8 team for a while, and some good luck made them 12-4 and some bad luck made them 4-12.
 

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A good RB + commitment to the running game even when it's not getting 8 yards per carry + Romo not worried about carrying the offense on his shoulders = success

I thought we already established how simple it is.

The defense is going to be rested and will more times than not look great when the offense is using up the time on the clock.
 

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I know, genghis, my first answer was both seasons were anomalies. This has been an 8-8 team for a while, and some good luck made them 12-4 and some bad luck made them 4-12.
Committing to the running game after building one of, if not the best OL's in the league is what led to 12-4. The only luck involved was being healthy for the vast majority of that season.

The vast majority of everything else you named; Hitchens, Carter, McClain, Selvie, Mincey, Crawford, Melton, the turnovers, basically anything defensively can more or less be directly traced to the dominance of the running game and the offense in general. Callahan doesn't have dick to do with dick, our OL was just as good if not better under Pollack last year and Romo always pulls games out of his ass a few times a year.

If we have similar health this year we will win at least 10 games, assuming we stick with the 2014 philosophy on offense.
 

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I know, genghis, my first answer was both seasons were anomalies. This has been an 8-8 team for a while, and some good luck made them 12-4 and some bad luck made them 4-12.
How I see it as well.
 

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Dallas's offense can make them successful. But they won't be true contenders until they develop the leadership it takes to play situational defense.

Committing to the running game after building one of, if not the best OL's in the league is what led to 12-4. The only luck involved was being healthy for the vast majority of that season.
Of course the OL made everyone better. But it's overbalanced in favor of the offense and only indirectly helps the defense. Sooner or later the defense has to make plays.

Think of how bad the 2014 defense was on paper. No pass rusher, no stoutness, no physical enforcer, awful safeties, Lee gone, bad outside coverage-- but they found ways to make plays enough to win.

The vast majority of everything else you named... defensively can more or less be directly traced to the dominance of the running game and the offense in general.
You can't attribute the quality of defensive play in 2014 entirely to the offense. It's simplistic and ignores the execution and chemistry on a defense that played way over its head and managed to find a few leaders in spite of losing Lee for the year.

Think of Seattle. We're behind in that game turning the ball over and muffing punts and the defense somehow still shuts down the Hawks and keeps us in it. We dominated TOP not because of the offense, but because the defense shut the Hawks down (9 total first downs) and got us the ball back.

You also can't ignore the cakewalk AFC schedule. That alone made a difference from 10-6 to 12-4.

So suppose you are at 10-6. Is it not within the realm of possibility that losing the over-their-heads performances of Durant, Melton, Crawford, Carter, McClain, Selvie, et al costs you another 2 wins?
 
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Dallas's offense can make them successful. But they won't be true contenders until they develop the leadership it takes to play situational defense.



Of course the OL made everyone better. But it's overbalanced in favor of the offense and only indirectly helps the defense. Sooner or later the defense has to make plays.

Think of how bad the 2014 defense was on paper. No pass rusher, no stoutness, no physical enforcer, awful safeties, Lee gone, bad outside coverage-- but they found ways to make plays enough to win.



You can't attribute the quality of defensive play in 2014 entirely to the offense. It's simplistic and ignores the execution and chemistry on a defense that played way over its head and managed to find a few leaders in spite of losing Lee for the year.

Think of Seattle. We're behind in that game turning the ball over and muffing punts and the defense somehow still shuts down the Hawks and keeps us in it. We dominated TOP not because of the offense, but because the defense shut the Hawks down (9 total first downs) and got us the ball back.

You also can't ignore the cakewalk AFC schedule. That alone made a difference from 10-6 to 12-4.

So suppose you are at 10-6. Is it not within the realm of possibility that losing the over-their-heads performances of Durant, Melton, Crawford, Carter, McClain, Selvie, et al costs you another 2 wins?
Did the defense not shut down Seattle again this year to some extent?

13 points and very little overall production despite the offense constantly going 3 and out.

I think you're over-exaggerating the defense's performance in 2014, the defense was similarly solid for much of this past season. On one hand you could argue team's weren't taking as many risks but on the other you could argue they were hung out to dry and constantly on the field because of our offense's ineptness.

And no, it is not within realm of possibility to assume that your list of defensive players would cause a 2 win difference. First of all, Durant missed more than half the year, Melton was very inconsistent and missed the playoffs, McClain was in and out of the lineup the last few games and the playoffs and Crawford was more or less the same player last year despite playing with 1 arm.

If you want to argue that everything just fell right with that team, the chemistry or whatever you want to call it, and it's unlikely to happen again, I can buy that. But don't list off a bunch of marginal players who performed a little above their heads, mainly because they usually were rested and playing with a lead, and tell me that is the reason we went 12-4.

Especially when the defense was more or less the same last year, just without the turnovers, which are primarily a function of playing with a lead to begin with.
 

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I think Romo's health is the biggest decider in both seasons. He was abnormally unhealthy in 2015, and abnormally healthy in 2014.
He usually is playing injured or too injured to play by December.

2014 would have looked just like 2011-2013 if Romo had been gimped up a little more on Thanksgiving.
 

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I think Romo's health is the biggest decider in both seasons. He was abnormally unhealthy in 2015, and abnormally healthy in 2014.
He usually is playing injured or too injured to play by December.

2014 would have looked just like 2011-2013 if Romo had been gimped up a little more on Thanksgiving.
Yea, he was healthy down the stretch.

But he started off the year looking like shit, fucked up his back against the Skins, missed the Cardinals game and gimped through the Jaguars game, and then the Eagle game because it was on short rest.

Like I said, health was the primary bit of "luck" that went along with that team's success. If this year's team is as healthy as that team this is a 10 win team minimum.
 
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