Sturm's take on Romo's health...

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Tom Brady weighs exactly the same now as he did when he was drafted.
Do you have serious OCD or something? Your obsession with weight is out of control.

By the way, Tom Brady weighed in at 211 and looked like this at the combine:



Are you trying to tell me his body hasn't changed since then?
 

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Goff is just fine. I doubt he's any skinnier than Aaron Rodgers.

As several have said, he's a college kid right now. He'll gain weight and strength.
 

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The weight isn't as important as the skeletal type and agility. Weight can be manipulated up or down but frame types and athleticism are pretty well fixed one way or another.
 

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Do you have serious OCD or something? Your obsession with weight is out of control.

By the way, Tom Brady weighed in at 211 and looked like this at the combine
Good catch, I thought he was bigger. Again though, using Tom Brady as a comparison for anyone else is a bad idea.

Aaron Rodgers was 223. Today he's 225. This is normal.

And weight is an important factor for QB and DL success, as those Harvard study numbers proved. Those are objective facts.
 

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And weight is an important factor for QB and DL success, as those Harvard study numbers proved. Those are objective facts.
Um no they didn't. You do realize that no actual correlation can be drawn from an observational study? Do you need me to explain why that is?
 

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Um no they didn't. You do realize that no actual correlation can be drawn from an observational study? Do you need me to explain why that is?
Heavier QB's and DE's relative to the combine average perform better in the NFL. The facts don't lie.

You can pretend there's no correlation all you want.
 

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Heavier QB's and DE's relative to the combine average perform better in the NFL. The facts don't lie.

You can pretend there's no correlation all you want.
If you can't hold all other factors constant then you can't draw a correlation.

For example by your dumb logic half this message board is a better QB then Goff. Our DE problem could just be solved by taking a DT and moving them to DE.
 

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If you can't hold all other factors constant then you can't draw a correlation.

For example by your dumb logic half this message board is a better QB then Goff. Our DE problem could just be solved by taking a DT and moving them to DE.
None of this message board went to the NFL combine, which in of itself is a major normalizing factor. Imagine what it takes just to qualify for the Combine. We're already at the cream of the college football crop which takes from the cream of high schools, etc.

A QB who weighs 280 pounds isn't getting invited to the combine. Most QB's are between 6'1" and 6' 5, are in decent shape, and have demonstrated they can actually play QB at a high level (hence the message board is eliminated).

At that point, weight above an average amount starts to matter. Again, the numbers don't lie.
 

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At that point, weight above an average amount starts to matter. Again, the numbers don't lie.
The numbers absolutely do lie. Because all other factors aren't being held consistent. While the weight is fluctuating so are a million other things. Many of which can't be calculated or taken into account for. I get that you read an article about a study. But man, you need to move on. This is like your whole thing about never drafting a QB after the third round. It's just nonsense.
 

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It really is a shame.

All that talent wasted while Jerry, Garrett and Co. sat around with their collective thumbs up their asses instead of building a serviceable team around him.

His O-line just recently rounded into form which is about 5 years overdue. He never had what you would call a dominant defense although it was good enough in '09 but his O-line was crap when the playoffs started. He only had a dominant running game for one year and the defense was crap then.

If only it could have all come together at the same time. Instead of building and maintaining a team, this organization has tweeked here and there in hopes of it being good enough but the tweeks never worked.
 

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The numbers absolutely do lie. Because all other factors aren't being held consistent.
By this reasoning, no study on anything is ever conclusive because the number of neutrinos bombarding each point in space is not "consistent".

Enough is made equal by the time you get to the combine that tracking the numbers makes a lot of sense. If Goff is below average weight, then yeah, it's a concern.

This is like your whole thing about never drafting a QB after the third round. It's just nonsense.
Nope. Facts bear it out. You are not going to find Tom Brady, so stop thinking you will. "But, what if..." -- STOP

Show me the success stories in the last ten years... oh yeah, you can't.

Basically don't even think about one after the 3rd round. You are doing your team a disservice. Just sign a veteran backup then draft a top prospect when your starter's on his last legs. Unlike most other positions, only a couple of QB's get any meaningful practice.

You only have a young guy as a backup when you are grooming him to replace your current starter.
 

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Ravid's version of money ball is just a team made up of fat people. Jared Lorenzen Baby!
 

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By this reasoning, no study on anything is ever conclusive because the number of neutrinos bombarding each point in space is not "consistent".

Enough is made equal by the time you get to the combine that tracking the numbers makes a lot of sense. If Goff is below average weight, then yeah, it's a concern.



Nope. Facts bear it out. You are not going to find Tom Brady, so stop thinking you will. "But, what if..." -- STOP
You misuse and misunderstand these things so badly. Everyone at the combine is not equal except for weight. That's the most ridiculous assumption I have heard out of you.
 

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You misuse and misunderstand these things so badly. Everyone at the combine is not equal except for weight.
Well you said that, not me...

The study found trends between successful players and their combine stats.

NFL "Success" implies passing through college career, scouting, Combine, OTAs, TC, Preseason, approval of coaches, and snaps in real games. That crucible filters out all kinds of other traits (bad habits, flabbiness, stupidity, laziness, etc.).

The trend numbers don't lie, they just don't.

They don't mean that a QB who weighs 225 is automatically going to succeed.

They do suggest within the same bucket of evaluation it's a positive indicator vs. a guy who's below average (like 215).
 

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Sources: Cowboys QB Tony Romo intends to shave clavicle rather than attach plate



By David Moore , Staff Writer Contact David Moore on Twitter: @DavidMooreDMN


When Tony Romo undergoes surgery next week, the plan is to shave off or remove a portion of his clavicle rather than attach a plate, sources said.

Romo has stated repeatedly in recent months that his goal is to strengthen the clavicle in a way that will allow him to finish his career without this becoming a recurring issue. There have always been three options in play: no surgery, shaving the clavicle or attaching a plate.

The Cowboys quarterback underwent the latest in a series of CT scans Wednesday to determine the level of bone growth and regeneration. After reviewing those results, surgery was scheduled for next week.



Before that scan was administered, Romo told reporters that he was leaning toward having a plate attached. Several reports have surfaced since late Thursday evening that state the quarterback will opt for the plate.

But sources insist that's not the first option. They stress the intent of the surgery, based on the location of the fracture, is to correct the problem by shaving or removing a portion of the clavicle.

Known as a Mumford procedure, this reduces pain and discomfort where the clavicle meets the shoulder. An argument can be made that the procedure is preferred because it will place less long-term stress on the collarbone than attaching a plate.

Hall of Fame running back Emmitt Smith underwent this procedure while with the Cowboys in the 1990s.

As with many surgical procedures, there's a chance the surgeon will encounter variables that dictate a different approach. That keeps the option of a plate in play. People close to Romo acknowledge while the plate remains a possibility, it's a slim one based on the information gathered to this point.

Romo missed 12 games in 2015 after fracturing his distal clavicle on two separate occasions. He told reporters two days before last month's Super Bowl that he was going through this process to see what procedure "ensures, most likely, that it never happens again. That's really what you're trying to do.

"We're asking a lot of people to get enough data to figure out. The reality of it is, it's a collarbone, and if the collarbone doesn't hurt, I should be good to go to play out the final four to five years. That's all we're trying to ensure.''

Either procedure has a six-to-eight week recovery period, which would clear Romo to take the field for the start of organized team activities in May.
 

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Holy shit, are they ever going to make up their fucking minds? What will it be?
 

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I remember Emmitt's collarbone was no longer attached to his shoulder after he injured it in NY in the 1993 season finale and he had surgery to correct it in the offseason.

That's gotta be what they're referring to, right, despite the "late-90's" mention?
 
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