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A cashier earns Walmart about $200,000 dollars per year.
That seems unlikely. $200,000 in merchandise goes through the cashier a year, or the cashier has EARNED them 200,000 a year? Seems more likely to be the former, but then what else went into that sale? The shelf stocker, the truck driver, the production of the asset itself, the store manager, the utilities and overhead, all of a sudden that $200,000 that went through the cashier's register is depleted pretty quickly.
 

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Every employee Walmart has is worth X amount of dollars. A cashier earns Walmart about $200,000 dollars per year. So essentially they're buying labor, essential for their enormous profits, with a subsidy.
A subsidy from who? Wal-Mart doesn't get the money.
 

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Also keep in mind because of taxes, insurance, etc, every dollar an employer pays an employee, he actually pays another dollar to have them around.

So an employee earning $20,000 a year actually costs an employer $40,000 a year roughly.
 

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Also keep in mind because of taxes, insurance, etc, every dollar an employer pays an employee, he actually pays another dollar to have them around.

So an employee earning $20,000 a year actually costs an employer $40,000 a year roughly.
You gotta stop this. You're making too much sense. :art
 

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And the real fun part is, then the government taxes the employee again.

So an employer pays $40,000, the employee earns $20,000, and keeps $15,000.

Thanks a fucking lot, Democrats. Who are the real crooks? Where did that extra $25,000 go? I guess Walmart didn't pay their fair share.

The government just isn't getting a living wage only take 70% of the cash flow!!! It can't get by!
 

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Yeah, they would, because even if they could afford food, without section 8 housing they'd be homeless and that would lead to a pretty shitty winter for them in a lot of places.
Oh its like people forget what college was like and how to live on a budget. Full time minimum wage (which Walmart pays more then) is $1,350.00 a month here in the state of Missouri. Are you seriously trying to tell me you can't rent a bedroom in a house and feed yourself for that every month?

So how again is that Walmart being subsidized? Walmart isn't receiving a dime of government money. They are paying employees exactly what they are worth. Take away the government giving welfare to those workers and guess what, Walmart would still have the same workforce for the same price. That's why it isn't a subsidy to Walmart.
 

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Oh its like people forget what college was like and how to live on a budget. Full time minimum wage (which Walmart pays more then) is $1,350.00 a month here in the state of Missouri. Are you seriously trying to tell me you can't rent a bedroom in a house and feed yourself for that every month?
You think all those people are single with no kids? You think they never have medical bills? And who gets full time hours on a minimum wage job any more? Back when I was working minimum wage they kept me under 32 hours a week to keep from having to offer benefits and changed my schedule every week to keep me from getting another job. I wasn't working for Walmart, it was IHOP, but it comes to the same thing.

So how again is that Walmart being subsidized? Walmart isn't receiving a dime of government money. They are paying employees exactly what they are worth. Take away the government giving welfare to those workers and guess what, Walmart would still have the same workforce for the same price. That's why it isn't a subsidy to Walmart.
Yeah, they wouldn't. That workforce would have to sell drugs or something to make ends meet. Say if you have two kids, a boy and a girl, on a single parent income, we're talking a grand a month just for housing without government benefits then you have three mouths to feed instead of one, then you need gas and repairs for whatever clunker automobile they can afford to buy or get handed down to them by relatives. Then you have doctors bills for when the kids get sick and kids do, inevitably. The government ends up paying for all of those things through section 8 housing, food stamps, medicaid etc.

Even at your very optimistic total of 1350 a month, that's gone, long effing gone. Also you're pretending that's all tax free. After tax and social security you're taking home a grand tops out of 1350.
 

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You think all those people are single with no kids? You think they never have medical bills? And who gets full time hours on a minimum wage job any more? Back when I was working minimum wage they kept me under 32 hours a week to keep from having to offer benefits and changed my schedule every week to keep me from getting another job. I wasn't working for Walmart, it was IHOP, but it comes to the same thing.
We were talking life or death. Now you're suddenly making that person responsible for other people's lives too. You're also saying now that the wage Walmart is offering isn't a problem at all. You're saying the amount of available jobs in the job market aren't enough. Which is true. Because minimum wage is holding them down. The idea is if you work for Walmart part time, you have plenty of time in your day to go work another job. Which if there is one available shouldn't be a problem at all.

You're forgetting what this discussion is about. Which is that Walmart pays such shitty wages that their labor force is actually subsidized. That earning what they pay per hour would actually lead to death if not for the government stepping in. If the government is taking taxes out of that money and then paying it back to the people that's just a shitty government. Again, I'm not talking about really being able to enjoy life like we all do. I'm simply talking about survival. I'm talking about paying $250.00 a month to rent a room in a house or a trailer. I'm talking about eating on a budget and not just getting a bunch of junk food. And yes, you can survive on an annual salary of $16,200 per year. So no, Walmart does not have a subsidized workforce. It's just not true.
 

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Say if you have two kids, a boy and a girl, on a single parent income, we're talking a grand a month just for housing without government benefits
Why? There are places way cheaper then that to live. Maybe not New York, but then don't live in New York. People have no concept of how cheaply a person can actually live if they try. Most are just too lazy to try or don't want to move.
 

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We were talking life or death. Now you're suddenly making that person responsible for other people's lives too. You're also saying now that the wage Walmart is offering isn't a problem at all. You're saying the amount of available jobs in the job market aren't enough. Which is true. Because minimum wage is holding them down. The idea is if you work for Walmart part time, you have plenty of time in your day to go work another job. Which if there is one available shouldn't be a problem at all.

You're forgetting what this discussion is about. Which is that Walmart pays such shitty wages that their labor force is actually subsidized. That earning what they pay per hour would actually lead to death if not for the government stepping in. If the government is taking taxes out of that money and then paying it back to the people that's just a shitty government. Again, I'm not talking about really being able to enjoy life like we all do. I'm simply talking about survival. I'm talking about paying $250.00 a month to rent a room in a house or a trailer. I'm talking about eating on a budget and not just getting a bunch of junk food. And yes, you can survive on an annual salary of $16,200 per year. So no, Walmart does not have a subsidized workforce. It's just not true.
You're assuming this person never has his car break down, or gets pregnant, has a medical issue, or an unexpected expense. If someone is living by the skin of their teeth, they're just one hiccup away from being homeless. A single mother doesn't get to just "survive" on bare necessities, she would need child care, child medicine etc. Things like food stamps keep her afloat and able to work, which is to say it keeps an underpaid workforce capable of existing. Without it, those people give up and try something new, Wal-Mart has to raise its wages to attract employees.
 

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You're assuming this person never has his car break down, or gets pregnant, has a medical issue, or an unexpected expense. If someone is living by the skin of their teeth, they're just one hiccup away from being homeless. A single mother doesn't get to just "survive" on bare necessities, she would need child care, child medicine etc. Things like food stamps keep her afloat and able to work, which is to say it keeps an underpaid workforce capable of existing. Without it, those people give up and try something new, Wal-Mart has to raise its wages to attract employees.
I didn't give him/her a car in the first place. You're giving a person a child as well. Again, I'm talking about a person's ability to support themselves. I'm not talking about their ability to support others. Walmart has no need to attract employees who want to support a family of 4. There are plenty of people in this world needing a job who don't have kids to support.

Since you guys want to keep mentioning the kids, I think the government does have an obligation to take care of children and the truly handicapped (Not the people who you see today on disability). The rest of the people, can support themselves on a Walmart job if needed.
 

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Why? There are places way cheaper then that to live. Maybe not New York, but then don't live in New York. People have no concept of how cheaply a person can actually live if they try. Most are just too lazy to try or don't want to move.
If you have two kids you're going to have to have at least a two bedroom apartment, unless you want CPS to take your kids away. That's going to approach a grand in most cities. Even if you get off lucky and it's 750, after taxes you don't have that 1350 any more anyway. You're really talking 250 left to pay for food, clothes, schools, medical bills. Ever looked into what it would cost to pay for a doctor's visit without insurance? One of your kids gets a fever or you get one flat tire and there goes more than all the money.

Yeah, a single, young person with no kids can live cheap and it's pretty hard for them to get government handouts anyway unless they are disabled. Those aren't all the people on earth and really, they make for a pretty sorry ass workforce for Wal Mart because they tend to be unreliable, call in all the time, quit all the time. The type of workers the government subsidizes. People with kids to feed and bills to pay, are a lot more reliable and more afraid to lose their jobs. Wal Mart is still seeing a benefit.
 

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If you have two kids you're going to have to have at least a two bedroom apartment, unless you want CPS to take your kids away. That's going to approach a grand in most cities. Even if you get off lucky and it's 750
I can show you plenty of two bedroom places that cost under $500 a month. Also, CPS isn't allowed to take children from a home because of the amount of bedrooms in the home. It's just not true.
 

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I can show you plenty of two bedroom places that cost under $500 a month. Also, CPS isn't allowed to take children from a home because of the amount of bedrooms in the home. It's just not true.
I notice that I mentioned medical bills about 18 times and you've been dodging the hell out of that. Won't it cost Wal-Mart money if their employees die every time they get sick?
 

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I notice that I mentioned medical bills about 18 times and you've been dodging the hell out of that. Won't it cost Wal-Mart money if their employees die every time they get sick?
What percentage of people do you think need life saving medical care? I know I've certainly never needed life saving medical care. Besides if you have the need for life saving medical care a hospital will provide it to you, without any money up front. So again, no one is dead from that either. Besides, under Obamacare, don't they basically get free healthcare?
 

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What percentage of people do you think need life saving medical care? I know I've certainly never needed life saving medical care. Besides if you have the need for life saving medical care a hospital will provide it to you, without any money up front. So again, no one is dead from that either. Besides, under Obamacare, don't they basically get free healthcare?
Isn't Obamacare one of the government handouts we're talking about, along with medicaid and medicare? Also, hospitals only have to treat acute appendicitis or gunshot wounds, etc. They don't have to treat you for anything that doesn't immediately endanger life and limb, so it's really easy to die from things without medical care if a condition is allowed to worsen until death is inevitable. Even that's a government enforced law, so we should take that away too.

I'm mostly just amused that you want the US to the 1890s again with everyone living in abject poverty except Rockefeller and Carnegie. US voters by and large disagree with you, and the more you push that agenda, the more people are going to end up driven from any form of conservatism.
 

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Also keep in mind because of taxes, insurance, etc, every dollar an employer pays an employee, he actually pays another dollar to have them around.

So an employee earning $20,000 a year actually costs an employer $40,000 a year roughly.
Less than half of Walmart employees get insurance most of their workforce is part time and that is a company policy.

Part time employees are only eligible for insurance after 2 years.
 

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Less than half of Walmart employees get insurance most of their workforce is part time and that is a company policy.

Part time employees are only eligible for insurance after 2 years.
A lot of that cost is also just compliance with Federal and state bureaucracy. It's not just benefits, it's safety training, having an HR department, keeping track of taxes, workman's comp insurance etc.
 

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I can show you plenty of two bedroom places that cost under $500 a month. Also, CPS isn't allowed to take children from a home because of the amount of bedrooms in the home. It's just not true.
500 dollars a month, plenty?

I call bullshit and how far are these places away from the job, do you factor in travel cost?

I live in one of the lowest cost of living staes in the U.S. and there are not plenty of apartments at that cost.
 

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Even that's a government enforced law, so we should take that away too.

I'm mostly just amused that you want the US to the 1890s again with everyone living in abject poverty except Rockefeller and Carnegie. US voters by and large disagree with you, and the more you push that agenda, the more people are going to end up driven from any form of conservatism.
Who said anything about removing all government laws? If you knew anything about economic's the policies with regards to anti trust are what have changed everything since the Rockefeller days and would prevent any such thing from happening. You do know we didn't have a federal minimum wage until the 1930's?
 
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