High school coach who never punts: Cowboys would 'have already won a Super Bowl if I

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High school coach who never punts: Cowboys would 'have already won a Super Bowl if I was coaching them'

By Corbett Smith
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I'm still on the fence whether Pulaski Academy (Ark.) coach Kevin Kelley is a genius or a mad man (here's my story on Kelley's program, which faces Highland Park this Friday).

His unorthodox style -- trying to grab as many possessions as possible by going for it on nearly every fourth down and always attempting onside kicks -- has been tremendously successful; Kelley's won four state titles and 84 percent of his games over the past 12 years.

But there's serious doubt, from me and others, whether his concepts would translate to the next level, even with the high school ranks:



Teams are watching -- at all levels -- for what Kelley is doing, though.

Kelley told me that he's met with several NFL execs and coaches over the past several years (wouldn't disclose the teams, however), with teams wanting to pick his brain. A name that Kelley did mention was Atlanta assistant GM Scott Pioli, who searched out Kelley during the 2014 MIT Sloan Conference to talk shop.

One thing that's true about Kelley, whether you agree with his methods or not, is that he's willing to put himself out there with analytics in a way no NFL or college coach does. Even if NFL analysis says that coaches should go for it on fourth down with a particular down and distance, coaches won't do it because they are averse to risk. Kelley called risk aversion the No. 1 factor in coach decision-making, "more so than winning itself."

When I asked him what his future holds, Kelley said he is extremely happy at Pulaski Academy, essentially a laboratory for his ideas at this point, given his success at that school. But he did say, in a fantasy world, that he'd love to coach at the next level, be it professional or college.

"I think what [analytic gurus are] missing is that there's just the numbers, and then there's an integration phase," Kelley said. "That's why I think that NFL teams, if they had any sense, would hire me, because I'm the only one who's experimented with both straight numbers and the psychology of football."

Kelley said if he were to take a college job, he'd like to be at a small directional school - where the expectations are low. His hiring, he said, would boost national interest, the school's athletic coffers, and the team's win total. He is nothing if not confident in his coaching abilities.

"Everybody loses this, and it's going to sound extremely arrogant, but I'm the single-best play caller on the planet of Earth," Kelley said. "God gave me one gift in the whole world. I can't do anything. I can't even change the light bulb above my bathroom mirror that went out. ... But I can see things on a football field."

When envisaging what his dream job would be, Kelley said, without hesitation, the Dallas Cowboys:

"We'd have already won a Super Bowl if I was coaching them. I love the Cowboys. My love of the game of football, honestly, kept me from committing suicide growing up. I had a horrible childhood growing up, but the one thing that I always had was the Dallas Cowboys. Every Sunday, I'd put on my little helmet and sit in front of the TV to watch the Cowboys."

When asked to assess Cowboys coach Jason Garrett, Kelley said he "isn't forward-thinking, doesn't play the psychological game well, and doesn't hold his players accountable enough. You can't win like that."

If Jerry Jones would hire him, he continued, Kelley would even be unorthodox with his contract, working for what would be a meager base salary for an NFL coach ($100K) that was incentive-laden ($100K per win).

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[MENTION=19]skidadl[/MENTION], is that you?

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Right, Jason Garrett doesn't play the psychological game enough and doesn't hold his players accountable enough. Compared to who, Bill Parcells?

I wonder what he thought of Wade Phillips, because Garrett is a prison warden compared to that slob.
 

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High school coach who never punts: Cowboys would 'have already won a Super Bowl if I was coaching them'

By Corbett Smith
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I'm still on the fence whether Pulaski Academy (Ark.) coach Kevin Kelley is a genius or a mad man (here's my story on Kelley's program, which faces Highland Park this Friday).

His unorthodox style -- trying to grab as many possessions as possible by going for it on nearly every fourth down and always attempting onside kicks -- has been tremendously successful; Kelley's won four state titles and 84 percent of his games over the past 12 years.

But there's serious doubt, from me and others, whether his concepts would translate to the next level, even with the high school ranks:



Teams are watching -- at all levels -- for what Kelley is doing, though.

Kelley told me that he's met with several NFL execs and coaches over the past several years (wouldn't disclose the teams, however), with teams wanting to pick his brain. A name that Kelley did mention was Atlanta assistant GM Scott Pioli, who searched out Kelley during the 2014 MIT Sloan Conference to talk shop.

One thing that's true about Kelley, whether you agree with his methods or not, is that he's willing to put himself out there with analytics in a way no NFL or college coach does. Even if NFL analysis says that coaches should go for it on fourth down with a particular down and distance, coaches won't do it because they are averse to risk. Kelley called risk aversion the No. 1 factor in coach decision-making, "more so than winning itself."

When I asked him what his future holds, Kelley said he is extremely happy at Pulaski Academy, essentially a laboratory for his ideas at this point, given his success at that school. But he did say, in a fantasy world, that he'd love to coach at the next level, be it professional or college.

"I think what [analytic gurus are] missing is that there's just the numbers, and then there's an integration phase," Kelley said. "That's why I think that NFL teams, if they had any sense, would hire me, because I'm the only one who's experimented with both straight numbers and the psychology of football."

Kelley said if he were to take a college job, he'd like to be at a small directional school - where the expectations are low. His hiring, he said, would boost national interest, the school's athletic coffers, and the team's win total. He is nothing if not confident in his coaching abilities.

"Everybody loses this, and it's going to sound extremely arrogant, but I'm the single-best play caller on the planet of Earth," Kelley said. "God gave me one gift in the whole world. I can't do anything. I can't even change the light bulb above my bathroom mirror that went out. ... But I can see things on a football field."

When envisaging what his dream job would be, Kelley said, without hesitation, the Dallas Cowboys:

"We'd have already won a Super Bowl if I was coaching them. I love the Cowboys. My love of the game of football, honestly, kept me from committing suicide growing up. I had a horrible childhood growing up, but the one thing that I always had was the Dallas Cowboys. Every Sunday, I'd put on my little helmet and sit in front of the TV to watch the Cowboys."

When asked to assess Cowboys coach Jason Garrett, Kelley said he "isn't forward-thinking, doesn't play the psychological game well, and doesn't hold his players accountable enough. You can't win like that."

If Jerry Jones would hire him, he continued, Kelley would even be unorthodox with his contract, working for what would be a meager base salary for an NFL coach ($100K) that was incentive-laden ($100K per win).

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[MENTION=19]skidadl[/MENTION], is that you?

:tippytoe


Funny you should mention this but I am not a fan of punting. Matter of fact, we didn't have a punting formation for the longest. We punted out of one of base formations. I've gone weeks without kicking it deep as well. We recovered. 12 onside kicks one year.
 
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Funny you should mention this but I am not a fan of punting. Matter of fact, we didn't have a punting formation for the longest. We punted out of one of base formations. I've gone weeks without kicking it deep as well. We recovered. 12 onside kicks one year.
Just giving you shit. :buddy
 

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I've been following his career since I lived in Arkansas and I love this guy. He's definitely full of himself but he gets results. Anyone that tries to exploit convention strategies is ok in my book. I am really interested to see what happens when he get the chance to run a collegiate program.
 

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Supposedly this year he is incorporating rugby-style downfield laterals into his offense in a major way
 

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I've been following his career since I lived in Arkansas and I love this guy. He's definitely full of himself but he gets results. Anyone that tries to exploit convention strategies is ok in my book. I am really interested to see what happens when he get the chance to run a collegiate program.
Stuff like this geeks me out. Career coaches typically are afraid to go against the grain. Running contrarian schemes is exciting IMO.
 

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Trying stuff like this is only really feasible when you have a significant gap in talent, and that gap decreases as you move up from one level to the next, and there is basically no gap in talent relative to high school once you get to the NFL. I don't know for sure but if somebody were to try this in the NFL I'd guess that once the league caught on to what was going on it'd cause more harm than good.

I mean, look at the spread/read option offense, it's basically revolutionized college football. What impact has it had on the NFL outside of a one year flash in the pan?

None really aside from teams incorporating a few elements of it into their offense here and there.
 

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Trying stuff like this is only really feasible when you have a significant gap in talent
Like when the 2000 Rams lost their kicker for a while to injury and so they exclusively went for it on 4th down inside the 40 and attempted all 2-pt conversions.
 

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When asked to assess Cowboys coach Jason Garrett, Kelley said he "isn't forward-thinking, doesn't play the psychological game well, and doesn't hold his players accountable enough. You can't win like that."
Looks like I have a new favorite coach. :towel
 

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Trying stuff like this is only really feasible when you have a significant gap in talent, and that gap decreases as you move up from one level to the next, and there is basically no gap in talent relative to high school once you get to the NFL. I don't know for sure but if somebody were to try this in the NFL I'd guess that once the league caught on to what was going on it'd cause more harm than good.

I mean, look at the spread/read option offense, it's basically revolutionized college football. What impact has it had on the NFL outside of a one year flash in the pan?

None really aside from teams incorporating a few elements of it into their offense here and there.
I don't think you need a huge talent gap to go for it on 4th down. I think a high powered offense that did that consistently unless they had a distance over 10 would see their numbers skyrocket.

NFL offenses convert over 50% of their 4th down attempts and in the passing league we have these days that field position doesn't limit your opponents chances of scoring much. You give elite QBs who have great targets to throw to like Rodgers, Romo, and Luck an extra try at moving the chains and they would be nearly unstoppable.
 

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I don't think you need a huge talent gap to go for it on 4th down. I think a high powered offense that did that consistently unless they had a distance over 10 would see their numbers skyrocket.

NFL offenses convert over 50% of their 4th down attempts and in the passing league we have these days that field position doesn't limit your opponents chances of scoring much. You give elite QBs who have great targets to throw to like Rodgers, Romo, and Luck an extra try at moving the chains and they would be nearly unstoppable.
I could see a coach at some point going for it on say fourth down and less then 5 consistently. I mean when you think about it most offenses average more then 5 yards per play anyway. I'm sure Dallas does. Hell every time Romo threw it last year he averaged 8.5 yards. When you're completing basically 70% of your passes then the odds are suddenly good that you convert those fourth downs. Especially when a punt is really just about 40 yards of field position.
 

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BTW, we run the gate for 2pts pretty much exclusively. We are 8/9 on the season. We kicked one extra point.
 
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