Archer: Cowboys have a stake in growing Gavin Escobar's role

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From Lebaron to Meredith to Staubach to White to Aikman to Romo. Yeah we've been pretty spoiled.
Exactly. Even successful franchise Pittsburgh For instance When what, 20 years or so between Bradshaw and Roethlisberger? San Fran is still trying to replace even young, Miami is still trying to replace Marino,Oakland hasn't had a good quarterback in over a Decade. Even Green Bay, who hit the jackpot between favre And Rogers, went 20 years between Starr and Favre. And it was 20 years of absolute dreck.
 

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That was a long 5 years to sit through, though.

Honestly As long as we can at least get some somewhat steady play from a Ryan Fitzpatrick type I could deal with that for a few years until a real QB comes along.

However, those horrid Quincy-Hutchinson-Henson performances that we got are unacceptable.
Thats the biggest problem. Our attempts were absolutely ridiculous. We got incredibly lucky with Romo. In our defense though, those three years where under Campo we were drafting near the top of the draft, Didn't really produced a whole lot of top end quarterbacks. Our timing wasn't great but our luck was with Romo.

I guess my overall point was, not only have we never gone very long without a top quarterback, Since day one Probably gone maybe 10 or 12 years total without a stable quarterback situation. That's incredible. We've been incredibly spoiled. Hopefully after Romo it continues.
 

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I see no reason to drag an under-performing Witten around on a bloated contract during the twilight of his career.
You mean, like we did with Aikman?
 

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Do you guys realize how spoiled we are? It took us all of about 5 years from one franchise QB to another. Almost every franchise in the league would kill for that kind of turnaround time. It really wasn't that rough to be honest.
I think it's the quality, or lack thereof, of QBs we watched get marched out there. That and the sheer number of QBs in that time span. Once we got to that 5 year mark most hope had been lost.
 

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How many years left on Witten's deal? Maybe he's OMG to take a pay cut to stick around as a half starter.

Of course, the guy is still currently the best TE on the team. He's not washed up.
 

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How many years left on Witten's deal? Maybe he's OMG to take a pay cut to stick around as a half starter.

Of course, the guy is still currently the best TE on the team. He's not washed up.
Witten isn't washed up but his age is a fact and few people are able to last longer in the NFL than what he already has. The odds of him going another 2 to 3 years are already astronomically high for his position. It is both inevitable and prudent to be grooming a replacement.
 

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Witten isn't washed up but his age is a fact and few people are able to last longer in the NFL than what he already has. The odds of him going another 2 to 3 years are already astronomically high for his position. It is both inevitable and prudent to be grooming a replacement.
He has had a really long career but at the age of 33 he isn't really showing signs of slowing down. I know his overall numbers slipped a little last year but it was in large part because we were throwing the ball less which meant less targets for Witten. In terms of the success rate throwing to Witten, the average YPC and everything else, he basically is right on par with the rest of his career. Witten isn't a guy who really relies on speed so it wouldn't surprise me to see him go another 3 years in the NFL. Hell look how long Tony Gonzalez played.
 

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He has had a really long career but at the age of 33 he isn't really showing signs of slowing down. I know his overall numbers slipped a little last year but it was in large part because we were throwing the ball less which meant less targets for Witten. In terms of the success rate throwing to Witten, the average YPC and everything else, he basically is right on par with the rest of his career. Witten isn't a guy who really relies on speed so it wouldn't surprise me to see him go another 3 years in the NFL. Hell look how long Tony Gonzalez played.
Beasley also took some of Witten's touches away, too. Romo through to him quite a bit in 3rd down situations that normally would have gone to Witten in the past.
 

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He has had a really long career but at the age of 33 he isn't really showing signs of slowing down. I know his overall numbers slipped a little last year but it was in large part because we were throwing the ball less which meant less targets for Witten. In terms of the success rate throwing to Witten, the average YPC and everything else, he basically is right on par with the rest of his career. Witten isn't a guy who really relies on speed so it wouldn't surprise me to see him go another 3 years in the NFL. Hell look how long Tony Gonzalez played.
I suppose it's okay to use exceptional examples for discussion purposes but the numbers favor a judgement that is in keeping with the overall odds in general terms. They would tend toward grooming a replacement for safety sake.
 

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I suppose it's okay to use exceptional examples for discussion purposes but the numbers favor a judgement that is in keeping with the overall odds in general terms. They would tend toward grooming a replacement for safety sake.
That's why I pointed out that he has shown no signs of slowing down. I didn't just randomly throw out an exceptional example and say Witten could be like him. I pointed out that his numbers are still consistent with what he was doing even as a young TE in the NFL. I think most TE's have more of a gradual decline. Or they start to break down physically with injuries. Witten seems to be the exception at this point in his career to both of those things. He never gets hurt and his numbers are still steady. Plus his game is highly reliant on skill and less about speed and athletic ability. It bodes well for him having an exceptionally long career.

Antonio Gates is 35 and still going strong as well. Of course his could be a result of PEDs.
 
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I am ashamed of myself. That was terrible. I vow to never let it happen again, I promise.
I agree with your point though. I think Cole Beasley is going to continue to get a ton of those types of passes this year as well. Romo has really developed a comfort level with him that you can see in the practices.
 

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I think Witten has at least 2 more years in him, he'll keep at it as long as Romo does.
 

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This article is timeless. Other than the name - Escobar, Bennett or Fasano - doesn't matter if this article was written in 2010, 2013 or now.

Might as as well write another 'who's americas team' article.
 

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I think Witten has at least 2 more years in him, he'll keep at it as long as Romo does.
Yeah he has 2 more years, but is that 2 years worth 7.5 and 8 million over those years, that is the real question.

It's going to come time to pay guys like Williams, Frederick, Collins and maybe Hardy and Witten's contract will be prohibitive.
 

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Yeah he has 2 more years, but is that 2 years worth 7.5 and 8 million over those years, that is the real question.

It's going to come time to pay guys like Williams, Frederick, Collins and maybe Hardy and Witten's contract will be prohibitive.
Frederick and Collins both become FAs in 2018. So I don't think that we'd be worried about Witten by then. Hardy might be a issue but I'd rather cut ties with Carr than Witten.

Even in a less passing focused 2014 offense it was clear Witten was the guy for a crucial 3rd down conversion.
 

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Yeah he has 2 more years, but is that 2 years worth 7.5 and 8 million over those years, that is the real question.

It's going to come time to pay guys like Williams, Frederick, Collins and maybe Hardy and Witten's contract will be prohibitive.
Ware was counting way more then that against our cap at the end of his career. I think Witten will probably stay at that price. However I wouldn't be surprised to see Witten take a pay cut either. That guy is a Dallas Cowboy through and through.
 

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Frederick and Collins both become FAs in 2018. So I don't think that we'd be worried about Witten by then. Hardy might be a issue but I'd rather cut ties with Carr than Witten.

Even in a less passing focused 2014 offense it was clear Witten was the guy for a crucial 3rd down conversion.
Do you want to let both hit the market?

And do you want to be breaking in a brand new TE in 2018, there is no way Witten is worth 7.5 and 8 plus in those years.

When looking at allocating resources moving forward Witten becomes much less cost effective.
 
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